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Originally Posted by Skyman65
(Post 17783455)
Sure, travel is the driving topic of FT. But it is not its ONLY topic. And the VAST majority of posts in the Omni forums do not involve counting backwards from 5 million, or such nonsense. I would argue that there is great value to be found in many Omni threads, and these posts play a significant role in building the overall "FT Community".
If the only value you see in FT is discussing travel-related topics, that is fine. But don't wrongly assume that everyone else sees the same value proposition as you. For me, I also use the post count to get a sense for the poster's commitment and contribution to the community. It isn't the only metric I use, but it is a starting point. I really don't care too much about the travel/non-travel post ratio (although, if I know that a member used post-padding just to build their numbers, I would consider that in my evaluation of them). Well said!^^ |
Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
(Post 17783584)
In any other representative scheme, those serving as representatives have an opinion just like everyone else. They don't lose a "common person" vote just because they were elected.
Originally Posted by RKG
(Post 17783620)
I would have no respect for a politician that promises one thing and then does the opposite after securing the election.
... I guess we will have to disagree on this one. The community already endorsed his actions when they voted for him. To break his promise (s) would be nothing more than betrayal of this community. |
i joined too late to read through all the 14 last pages so i only randomly selected a few pages to read to make sure i didnt miss any reasons why the forums weren't included in post counts. (and i did learn, i certainly didnt know some ppl joined FT just to participate in Politics/Religion/Coupon trading. Well- I joined FT after OMNI had post count limits. and dont care whether or not posts count or not - but i've played counting games before without knowing they dont include in post counts.)
In the perfect world i do hope only on-topic (wrt to the mission of FT) posts count. certainly if we can shut the counters on lounge thread i would love to see that happening. OTOH i have no idea if the post count represents anything other than 1) key to accessing OMNI/coupon connect and 2) "Flyertalk Evalangelist" status. unless post counts do mean something significant that i've missed, i do not agree including OMNI/CC in post counts (They do not represent the posts in FT that brings FT its value). also and i reiterate: if we can stop counting official lounge threads, do so and i'd vote yet... otherwise there's no reason to delete OT posts in threads. they do serve the same purpose as random posts in OMNI. |
Originally Posted by travelkid
(Post 17781770)
1000 people asked seems to be a magic number in many professional surveys.
I think that such a result would be pretty representational. the magic number (the sample size) is much closer to low 900s than 1000 but from statistics class i had long ago it's allows a 95% significance level on a 50/50 split in choice of A or B *had the sample size been random*. |
Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer
(Post 17782982)
Post count, like it or not, is usually used as a reflection of the commitment to the community. If I see someone who has posted 10,000 times, I would like to know that those posts came while discussing travel, the driving topic of FT. I really don't care if they can count backwards from 5 million or if they have some awesome baking or gardening tips.
So if OMNI posts counted, post count would not accurately reflect the poster's commitment to increasing the FT travel community. |
Originally Posted by RichMSN
(Post 17783270)
I am listening -- to the people that voted for me in November. I clearly, CLEARLY said I would be raising this and supporting this during the campaign and I received enough votes to be seated. So did kokonutz. I would be going back on my word to the voters who voted for me if I didn't support this.
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Originally Posted by Mary2e
(Post 17782750)
They did discuss it. As part of their platforms and in their responses to questions.
Heads buried in sand while they mess with a forum. In this way you are correct - if TB were intent on experimenting this way on a M&P forum folks would be up in arms. But this is only OMNI :( |
Originally Posted by RichMSN
(Post 17783270)
I am an equal member to you and the rest of the community. TB members (and moderators, so I'm told) are members first and foremost. Our opinions should be counted in a poll like this right alongside yours. Still, I don't think representative government involves poll-taking on every issue. Candidates run, are elected based on stands they take during a campaign, and then vote their conscience.
I am listening -- to the people that voted for me in November. I clearly, CLEARLY said I would be raising this and supporting this during the campaign and I received enough votes to be seated. So did kokonutz. I would be going back on my word to the voters who voted for me if I didn't support this. My vote was already set in stone when I made the motion. Sorry if that offends you, but it's the truth. I do see a lot of downsides however, and you have not even begun to address those when this motion was made. That's not what I'd expect from a responsible TB :td: |
Originally Posted by RKG
(Post 17783620)
Which community is that exactly? The community that wasn't able to state an opinion during the election or the community of members who have posted on this thread (the official place for feedback I might add)?
That community would be the 408 people that voted for RichMSN. They read what his positions were and voted for him, expecting him to keep to his views. I'd have a lot more respect for a politician that didn't barge on with an idea post election that turned out not to be popular with the people that he/she is supposed to represent. I would have no respect for a politician that promises one thing and then does the opposite after securing the election. To turn around and change his position based on community feedback, even if that means breaking an election promise is absolutely the right thing to do. I cannot see why anyone would be upset by that, if this is supposed to be a democratic situation. I guess we will have to disagree on this one. The community already endorsed his actions when they voted for him. To break his promise (s) would be nothing more than betrayal of this community. Of course, you are entitled to your opinions and I respect that. Its not a bad thing to reverse a promise, if later info, discussion and lack of support says so. If 5 people states they voted for him due to this, and still feel its a main issue, well then he should support probably. |
The good part is that this topic should be over in this month and the TB then has 10-11 months to delve into other topics :)
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
(Post 17782872)
Unsure if this has been answered yet, but: Is the grand total of posts listed on FT's home page (over 17.5 million as of tonight) inclusive of OMNI and P/R, or not?
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Originally Posted by matthandy
(Post 17783420)
You aren't equal. You have specific rights and privileges that other members do not, that makes you unequal to the majority of the community. You can vote on changes that affect FT, ordinary members cannot. If the matter was anything else but Talkboard related, I would agree with you, but it isn't.
I'm curious as to why you wish to continue this inconsistency? |
Originally Posted by matthandy
(Post 17783544)
Which community is that exactly? The community that wasn't able to state an opinion during the election or the community of members who have posted on this thread (the official place for feedback I might add)?
I'd have a lot more respect for a politician that didn't barge on with an idea post election that turned out not to be popular with the people that he/she is supposed to represent. To turn around and change his position based on community feedback, even if that means breaking an election promise is absolutely the right thing to do. I cannot see why anyone would be upset by that, if this is supposed to be a democratic situation. |
My opinion: don't count them.
I don't want to be embarassed when my post count doubles because they are all in OMNI. |
Originally Posted by kipper
(Post 17784667)
I think some people are making an assumption that those who have an opinion on this motion have all posted in this thread. However, perhaps some people do not feel comfortable posting in this thread, but have otherwise expressed their opinions to TalkBoard members via PM. Perhaps others are masked from seeing this forum, and as such, are unable to voice an opinion on this thread. Just because there is a discussion here does not mean that this is the only place where opinions to TalkBoard members are expressed concerning this motion.
Have any of the TB members actually said this is the case, or are you just trying to bolster your position with supposition? |
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