Doc is going wild in the UA forum, posting updates (at least 10 at last count) to message threads that are months old! In one case, the "update" does not even refer to the original topic. It appears that Doc thinks he can do whatever he wants, and he is going to ruin the board. Please help in this matter. Thank you!

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PLEASE!

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Here's the complaint, as filed earlier today:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/007833.html

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Previously, it was noted:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000278-6.html

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Again, needless to say, while I respect your right to an opinion as well as to express it, we have been through this before, since February, when you seemingly signed on to FT and posted in order to assail me, and to put it simply, after being hounded for six months, we just do not agree, sadly.

Notably, of eight threads in the UNITED forum in which you posted, five bear only nasty criticisms directed at me. In one, you'll no doubt recall the rather uncharitabe remark to me: "You are a real ...et to the board!"

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../008976-2.html


In the "BUZZ" threads, literally all your posts are complaints about me! Same story in nearly all the other threads also, no?

Do you really think that is what Randy and the FT Managemant actually wants? C'mon!

You have posted repeated scathing complaints over and over again, you have emailed Randy & Co, and me, as well. Yet, despite previously posting that you understand, you persist!

Nontheless, given your rather considerable interest in the FT Boards, and the quality herein, I wonder whether you have possibly considered running as a future memebr of the Talkboard.


Specifically, regarding your post

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/007833.html

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FWIW, if you think that you were somehow more hurt by the tragic events of last 9/11 than I was, then all I can say is that you are, little doubt, very sadly mistaken!

And moreover, if you do not want to be reminded of it, may I politely suggest that you might try life on an alternate planet!


Again, regarding the ongoing issue at hand, I'll not bother to post all the criticims and nasty remarks with all the links, yet kindly please recall from the beginning:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../004894-3.html


I hope you understand that all FT'ers have rights!


And in the middle:

FWIW, I have multiple advanced degrees! IMHO, it's not so simple!


Lastly:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../002801-4.html


A message that I missed? What was that?


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/012285.html


Again, they ALL seemed to be a bit "snippy" to me, from the outset!

Please accept my humble apologies for being so upsetting to you, and to anyone else similarly afflicted as well!

As I'd noted previously, hard as I might try to please everyone, it just does not seem possible, eh? I'll naturally keep trying nonetheless!

Randy, once again has also commented, addressing a related issue:

"...I hope I can also make one thing clear, it is not posting to older threads that slows things down..."

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000382.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../006901-2.html


Funny you say it is a joke as I too, have come to think of it as a kind of very unfunny joke myself!

Again, as hard as I might try to please everyone, it just doesn't seem possible.
Perhaps we can both/all continue to keep on trying our very best nonetheless?

Like Craig, I too had humbly suggested that you might email Randy himself! Wouldn't that have been a far better idea, in retrospect, to do initially, before you'd posted all these unfortunate personal attacks against me?

I've always attempted to do as I thought in the best interests of ALL FT'ers, not what's just in my particular interests, nor, for that matter, in anyone else's in particular.

FT is what we ALL collectively make it. Be part of the solution, or part of the problem. The choice is yours! Please feel free to edit your former posts as well.

Remember, I too am usually on a very slow connection!

Thanks again! Have a great night all!

-Mark

Thank you so much for re-posting every item I have posted in the past. It is very informative. Doc, just get the message. Confine your posting forays to the In the News forum and make everyone happy. Leave the United forum alone. Thanks!

BTW, find a hobby or something to better use your excessive free time!

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Your most welcome! It's my pleasure after all!

Thanks so much for the wonderful, albeit unsolicited, advice!

Curiously, "EVERYONE?"

Gee, I'm such a "dimwit." Doesn't my opinion/vote even count as one? Wouldn't it actually be like 500,000 to 1, after all?

Perhaps you might REread the above, and email Randy directly if you have further questions?

And, also, just for the record, I didn't "repost every item [you] have posted in the past" here. After all, not every single one of your 32 posts were attacks directed at me personally!

Talk about gettin' the message! Wow!

To quote another FT'er, who often asks this question of others, have you ever considered whether this website is truly for you?

Alternatively, have you ever considered possibly trying to accept the posts of others, and maybe entertained the thought of attempting to post something of conceiveable use to others? That would, of course, be real nice to see!

Have a great weekend!

-Mark

Please do something about Doc? How about please do something for Doc, like saying thank you. If you can't say something nice...

* I spend most of my FT time in the United forum and don't mind connections to old threads at all. I rather enjoy seeing how current topics have evolved over time. The collective memory of FT is appreciated.

* It certainly seems odd some someone with less than 40 posts to be spending so many of those posts criticizing other members of FT.

* This has been hashed out alot. Posting the same argument over and over seems much worse than posting updates on things that have been discussed in the past.

* It's clear that Randy values Doc's contributions. That should end the story.

Look, I don't want to spin this thread out of control (and we all know that Doc can be a touchy subject for some)...

Let's all just enjoy the board for what it is.

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Well said, gleff.

Doc's attempts to be helpful, informative, and friendly, have been rehashed often on this board. No cause to jump all over him for adding additional info to a past thread. If you're not interested, fine, just don't open the thread. It's basically that simple.
So, in this case, gamble, you're playing with a cold deck.

Thanks, Doc, and Gleff.

bj-21.

I'm a proponent of free speech. You go DOC!!!

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"wish I had something witty to say here"

Yes, I'm really not sure why there are FTer's who take this all so personally. As far as I know, this board is open to all members to post freely. There is no censorship of objectionable speech, though Randy and the moderators (sounds like a rock band) reserve the right to close topics as they see fit. That's just the way it goes. Conversely, if behavior which you find objectionable continues, you may be in the minority in finding it truly objectionable. To be frank (as opposed to jack), I don't always like all the updates, but SOMETIMES I do, and it doesn't even matter what I think anyway.

And please remember, all, that you speak for yourselves, not for me, never for me. As some of you may know, I can defend myself very well, and prefer to fight my own battles, so don't go telling people, everyone thinks this or that, because you're not Barbara Streisand, okay????

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[This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-20-2002).]

Doc and all...

Did it ever occur to you all that "everyone" is a figure of speech and NOT to be taken literally? Is this your first time running into someone using "everyone" when they don't mean that a poll was taken and that the response was 100%?

Also, I have very little to add since I only travel personally and have no great experiences to share. I could post a trip report on my wonderful flight to Orlando in coach, but I don't see how that would add any value. I have no means to upgrade, so it was in coach. No Economy Plus. What am I left with? A report on a 2 hour flight in coach?

I look around here because this is an interesting subject to me, and I find enjoyment in hearing about all the travel that people do. When I have something of interest, I will be happy to post it.

I am trying to make a point on Doc and his habit of digging up old threads and adding subject matter that is, AT BEST, slightly related to the topic title and at worst not related at all. If there was a way to see that Doc was the last poster before opening the thread, this would not be an issue. Since there is not, I end up opening threads and re-reading them just to discover the content is up to a year old with a Doc post at the end. It's that simple.

As to the emailing Randy or FT issue, drop it! Randy and the FT staff have better things to do than get an email from me. I for one will not waste their time. Please do not respond that my posting is a waste of YOUR time, as frankly you have the option of not reading my threads. Unlike Doc, I do not dig up old threads to add a comment!

Bottom line - please understand that I have no wish to cause trouble, but I do hope that if I annoy Doc long enough he will go back into one of his "snits" and leave the board. Wishful thinking I know. But, what other choice do I have. There is no good way to deal with a person like Doc besides annoyance.


[This message has been edited by gamble0813 (edited 10-21-2002).]

Lots of people fly coach out of Orlando, probably more than fly F in the entire US in a given year. Your report would be useful to any of them.

I agree, Cedric. I would be more interested in hearing about someone's two-hour coach flight ORD to Orlando than someone's Concorde flight JFK - LHR because I am much more likely to take the coach flight than the Concorde. In fact, I don't think I will EVER take the Concorde, so while it's nice to dream, I come to Flyertalk for FACTS.

Gamble, you should give yourself more credit. My feeling is that though I am a nobody other than a registered user, I am as entitled to post freely here as anyone else, and I will e-mail Randy 30 bazillion times a day, if that's what I feel is effective. Furthermore, part of the FT moderator's JOB is to field complaints from FTer's about what's wrong/right with Flyeratlk - why would that exclude you?

Suffice it to say that the reality is that I have NEVER e-mailed Randy directly, nor any of the moderators simply because I feel strongly that the flaming and personal attacks are easily overlooked, and discredit the poster, not the postee.

My suggestion is to start a thread in OMNI if you want to go off about doc's updates - plenty of people have, but it is NOT appropriate IMHO to criticize within a thread if criticizing is off-topic.

EDIT: Last but not least, in a similar fashion that I feel "anti-semitism" is misused by everyone from Thomas Friedman to FTer's discussing Israel, "everyone" means everyone to me, not "most people" or even "a majority of people". If I feel that someone uses that arrogantly, encompassing me within their "everyone", you better believe I am going to speak up, and no, I do not like being referred to as one of "everyone."

[This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-22-2002).]

gruezi gamble0813

you joined 'our' board in early 2002 - the topic that goes with your 'suggestion' here has been discusssed already in 1998 and the way it 'goes' now is what the board owner (Randy) approved for a long time already.

any pure negativ post against anybody having started (or given 'rebirth' to) a topic that you don't like, has the (probably unwanted by you) effect, that the topic again heads the forum, and will leave the next reader again with what you dislike (reading your personal commentaries instead , what was expected, some news about the topic).

Please do come to OMNI, but contribute to signal rather than noise. Let's not talk about posters, especially ones who make for a tiring topic.

FewMiles..


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I agree with most of the posts above except those of 'gamble0813'. I read the UA Forum more than you do on any day of any month "gamble" and doc's posts there are minor and do not bother me one jot. Your 'normal' posts do not bother me either.

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Again, hasn't this "issue" come up in various other earlier threads previously including this one?

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004155.html

Will it ever stop?

Thanks!

-Mark