Why should I use the toilet? I can crap anywhere I da** well please!

There's a message in there somewhere.

FewMiles..

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My purpose, plain and simple, as I believe nearly everyone here already knows, is to dump everywhere for all FT'ers in general and Randy & Co. in particular, as best as I possibly can.

More news droppings, anyone?

FewMiles..

Just because I don't post a response to a thread, it doesn't mean that I didn't find the post useful or informative. I think that many of the links to news articles in zero response threads get widely clicked on.

OK, you got my attention. It's my turn now and then some of us will go back to the intent of FlyerTalk - the content. Others won't come back at all.

First of all, welcome to FlyerTalk. It's nice that you have been able to join us and hopefully get some value of the information posted on FlyerTalk. When you joined us to actively post, FlyerTalk was almost three years old and over that time we've had to rely on a number of members to help FlyerTalk grow. Doc is one of them. By my use of the word "grow" you will probably have your own ideas by now. However, time and time again i've seem Doc help a new member by digging out of the past an amazing ability to find and know where a particular thread is. It's these moments that i appreciate the value of a member like Doc. As to his overposting as you might say. There is a reality that all members of frequent flyer programs are not the same. For some they don't get excited about miles and points at all. for others - they become superfans and all activited have them - sports, NASCAR, politics, etc. Doc is our superfan and frankly, there is room for him on FlyerTalk. Of the estimated 35,000 posts that Doc has made, I've honestly can't tell you how many of them I've read - perhaps only a few hudred. Doesn't mean i don't like what he posts. It simply means that i read for content and strange at it may be, rarely look at who posted the content. I started FlyerTalk because I was interested in what others had to say, and like some of the others, can't get enough of comment and information.

Doc doesn't not annoy me with his posts. Because as I've said, i focus less on the person posting than i do on the comment. Are some of Doc's posts soft? Sure, but to that list might be some of yours and mine and probably just about every other member than Rudi or QuietLion (they do really good stuff). FlyerTalk is a bit like the real world - we learn to take it for what value it offers us and for me, spend less energy trying to make it perfect for me.

I will only take action on Doc's posts if they are out of line with our TOC or if I think that as part of a confrontation with other members might need a cooling off period. At this moment, I see no reason to take any action of Doc, and in fact may go find something he's recently posted and enjoy it.

To quote gleff "* It's clear that Randy values Doc's contributions. That should end the story."

I think it does end the story for now.

Randy,

Since you by admission have only read a VERY small percentage of doc's posts, I would suggest you look at some more when you have some free time.

This is copied from the TOC:

Off topic Posts
Off topic posts take two general forms:

Posts within a discussion thread that detract from the topic being discussed.

Topic-starting posts that are placed in an inappropriate forum.

When determining in which forum to place a topic-starting post, pay close attention to the forum description.

MANY of doc's posts are off-topic. That is a complaint of not just Gamble, but of many others.

Why is doc allowed to violate this section of the TOC?

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What?

Are you now reversing yourself once again and saying that FT is not perfect? Are you saying that FT is broken? It would seem so!

Nontheless thanks for being respectful and for showing restraint in posting your abject opinion once again here.

To quote someone we both know,

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:

...As a rule, I do ignore doc's threads. Have for a VERY long time...

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006589.html

Yes, you ignore my comments and yet you know better than Randy? Sure!!!

Your posted replies to many of my comments, as well as to others, do certainly appear to indicate that you had seemingly failed to comprehend, sadly, what had been written - just as in this case. You are on the record, in more than one case, as saying it is simply because you had actually ignored 'em! Can we believe anything that you say?

If that's the case, why reply at all to something that you have/had ignored and never read? This is a rather curious and seemingly senseless strategy, no?

Moreover,

To again quote someone we both know,

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Why do you insist on asking the same questions over and over again? ...

...It is quite clear you are unhappy with FT. It would also seem quite clear that Randy is happy with the state of FT.

Why not channel your energy into another board?


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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
If anyone here is unhappy with FT..., I would suggest they contact Randy.

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000075.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...IMO, FT is NOT broken in the least. Let's continue to keep the positive changes and not listen to a MINORITY...


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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...You seem to be amongst the VERY FEW who think that anything is broken. You also seem to want to ignore the facts that have been presented against your position.
So, It would seem that you are just going to keep asking the same questions OVER and OVER again...

...I still think you would be better off if you would accept that FT is not exactly for you.

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...FT is NOT broken. Having the same person say so over and over again does not make it so...


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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Why ruin a system that functions quite well for the MAJORITY of users


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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Randy Commented in ...earlier threads on this SAME topic...


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For example:


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Originally posted by Randy Petersen:
...Doc is one of the most important assets of FlyerTalk and is more than welcome here yesterday, today and certainly tomorrow. Sure, it's not hard to notice his posts and sometimes even difficult to ignore, but what some of you may not fully appreciate is his value to all members. I know for a fact that hundreds of 'newbies' have been personally helped by Doc to topics because he has them all memorized. I find it personally helpful to know that if i am ever wondering about a certain topic and don't think i can explain it enough to the search engine that Doc knows of the thread. In my own mind, i view him as our personal librarian. Appreciate this fact as well, as prolific as his posting is - he doesn't take cheap shots, rarely if ever is called into controversy and has always been a staunch supporter of the greater good of FlyerTalk. His volunteerism is above reproach and in most other organizations we'd be giving him a medal...

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http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004155.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...but FT functions quite well for the MAJORITY of the users


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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000079-3.html


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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...I hope that Randy does not listen to the minority view that FT needs "Fixing"...

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000074.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...If voicing that opinion is not to be allowed, then voicing the other opinion should not be either. Especially when the "pro" camp starts stating that very few people disagree with them...

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000058.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...IMHO, this board is probably at it's highest signal to noise ratio since I joined... When I state highest signal to noise ratio, I am not talking about quantity at all...

...I am talking about QUALITY. IMHO, the direction that Randy has taken FT has given us a board that is much more on-topic than it was even 3 months ago...

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-3.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...People are complaining about the direction FT has taken...

..I am pointing out that IMHO FT is now a better place...

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-3.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...In the many threads dedicated to the discussion...one theme is constant. That is the FT is "Broken" theme. None of these discussions have occured without someone, usually the same people, writing in some form or another, that FT is broken. That theme has permeated this thread ...

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-3.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...I think we all agree that "Flame" Threads, Attack Threads and Commercial Message Threads should be closed...

...I think most would see that Randy is not going to change his mind about changing/moving Off-Topic Posts...

...Randy has in the past closed the same type of threads about other FT'ers that were not around. Here is a quote from on of those threads:

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Originally Posted By Randy Petersen

As members of this community, we do not talk about other members - good, bad or indifferent. We do however return to the topics of travel, miles and points when the opprtunity arrives. I think that opportunity is here now.
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-4.html

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:
...I would hope that the moderators will enforce ALL aspects of the TOS. Including that oft ingnored paragraph about off-topic posts and topics...


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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000040-2.html

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Shall I continue on,... and on, and on? As you know, one easily could! Yet, I'd think not! Hate to waste the bandwidth, right?

The rules and policies herein necessarily cut both ways, and should apply equally to all, IMHO. I personally make every effort, now as I always have, to contribute to FT in the very best way that I know, for the benefit of all, at the expense of none! Attempting to show some respect for all who particiapte is a requirement, IMHO, for a successful board, and I surely hope that we all can!

IMHO, we should all be commenting upon and debating issues and not people.

All those 30,000+ posts, and yet do you see me criticizing/attacking/complaining about others? But for the occassional unwarranted, unnecessary response to a personal attack, for which I am indeed also very sorry, no!

Given your continued intense interest in policymaking and enforcement, manifested by the fact that the vast majority of your posts appear to address the shortcomings of others, may I politely suggest that you run for the FlyerTalk TalkBoard, CameraGuy!

BTW, perhaps you'll kindly update us all on the situation concerning the help you'd requested with the "stalker" issue, CameraGuy?

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006035.html

After nearly two months now, so one wonders how it all played out? You've presumably resolved this concern? For the benefit of us all, can you please tell us how? Thanks!


PLEASE!!!!

Shall I recount your entire history of personal attacks on me and others? Shall I post all the links? I'd think not!

Get real, would ya' please?

Why be so foolish as to once again engage in rehashing the very same issues, when in each and every past case, we got precisely "nowhere?" Often you seemingly just retreated in disgust or ignored my question(s)! The only rest period occured during your unfortunate "lifetime ban."

Yo again quote you "the horse is dead!"

May I politely ask you how you actually see yourself as a "contributor" to this site. Are you a "policeman" of some sorts? Perhaps Randy may clarify for us if he has actually deputized you or somehow solicited your help in "fixing" FT? Or is FT not broken, as you recently have so often said? How many of your posts actually do provide info, rather than a complaint or criticism of another? Can you give a rough percentage for us all please? Or should I post this info myself? Or maybe, on second thought, we should just drop the whole matter? Thanks!

Does anyone else, besides me, think that FT is not about clashing egos, but rather truly think that FT is about kindly sharing miles, travel, and other information among a tremendously diverse group of interested individuals!

How about finally gettin' back on track?

Have a great day all!

-Mark

[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FewMiles:

[b] Please do come to OMNI, but contribute to signal rather than noise. Let's not talk about posters, especially ones who make for a tiring topic.

FewMiles..


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I guess the message, sadly, is that you are profoundly hypocritical?

"Do as I say not as I do", huh?

Here's a brief sampling of just some the many other highly objective, constructive comments, "signal" that is, contributed by "FewMiles":

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/010443.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/009749.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/007769.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum72/HTML/000607.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001797.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001884.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002000.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002002.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004382.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000342.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000338.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000336.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000040.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000058.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000069.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000020.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005544.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005719.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005722.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005753.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006714.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006589.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006507.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006011.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006604.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006603.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/007210.html

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Until I see that I myself have nothing better to do than make smartass posts about others, I'm confident that I'll be just fine - relatively speaking!


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Originally posted by FewMiles:

...The abuse of resources, and attacks against others has gone largely unchecked. Time for people of conscience to stand up against the continued abuse...

...There is no solution. If people just look the other way, then the problem just continues. No, I won't go for that. People who come to this place need to know that not everyone here silently puts up with some people throwing their weight around...

...No problem. Just put me in your filter and you will never have to put up with me criticising you or your posting methods again...

...You can keep posting in any darn way you please and if you do so, I will continue to speak my mind and let it be known that there are those who do not share the viewpoint of the silent majority that everything is just peachy when it comes to the "all doc, all the time" bulletin board. Just because they are silent does not mean they like it.

Being ubiquitous has a price. Public figures are subject to public criticism. You may not have political aspirations in real life, but in this community, you are certainly a famous name. I mean 34000+ posts, somebody's bound to have noticed.

FewMiles..

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Again, as I'd peviously noted, you are more omniscient than I'd ever imagined! FT purportedly has nearly 500,000 unique visitors each month and you actually know all their views?

And you are also their ("silent" majority) representative?

And the "rules" somehow do not apply to you?

If I'd only known all this earlier!

Curiously, does this post perhaps strike a familiar bell?

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Originally posted by FewMiles:
Oh and e-mailing Randy or one of the FT admins was not a viable option? Oh, I see... we here have to take matters into our own hands...


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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000278-6.html

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One can only wonder, and speculate, about the reason(s) for the seemingly ongoing complete absence of logic and lack of consistency demonstrated here? Or perhaps you can explain it?

Could you not have also simply used e-mailed for your comments as well?

Why, after all, are we having this discussion online, as I'm fairly sure that it pleases no one - or rather, next to no one!

Curiously, if we should not agree, why continue to publicly argue?

Must I agree with you and your position to end this "nonsense?" :confusion:

If one does not agree, I guess that it only follows that one does not listen?

IMHO, this misguided effort is far more likely about attention- more importantly and accurately, about perceived attention, as well as perhaps about certain folks who think they know what's best for everyone else, no?

Again, regarding the issue of "higher standards," please kindly recall that it is you that had purported to hold me to a higher standard, and that I have, in very sharp contrast, always emphasized equally and equal treatment for all FT'ers. Do you not recall? Need I post the links? In any case, as is so often the case it seems, we disagree!

For the record, to anyone interested, FewMiles has never met me personally, nor have I had the pleasure of meeting him!

And, FWIW, I surely see this discussion as increasingly fruitless. Perhaps we can agree to disagree and either end it, or move it offline.

IMHO, it's now well past the point of being enough.

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The CURRENT "TOS/rules," allegedly applying to all users of FT states that (bold/italic added):

Any posts containing communications that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, obscene, profane, threatening, harassing, offensive, vulgar, abusive, hateful or bashing - especially those aimed at sexual orientation, gender, race, color, religious views, national origin, or disability - will not be tolerated and will be removed. Individuals who do not abide by these rules are subject to having their FlyerTalk account permanently deleted.

The TOS continues:

Personal attacks on individuals, insults and "flaming" will not be tolerated and will be removed.

eventually noting in conclusion, the answer to a question that I'd once posed earlier:

Is there a formal discipline policy for members who don't follow the rules?

Yes there is. Any member whose behavior causes disruption on the message boards, either because of the tone and language of their posts or their attitude toward other members, may lose their posting privileges for one week. Members who become disruptive a second time are issued a one-month timeout. A third strike results in a permanent withdrawal of the offending member's posting privileges.

Are these terms not rather clear?

I hope that I'm not alone in hoping that the FT boards might rapidly return to civility.

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006589.html


BTW, it's good that we all had that big apology from you, eh?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FewMiles:

[B]I too apologise to all of FT (including doc, of course!) for all the damage. (Good thing we kept it confined to the one place for once )

Time to take this off-line...

FewMiles..

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006620.html

Again, as I've said before, whenever you're finally ready to "bury the hatchet", simply let me know - and it's done! My hatchet is already buried!

Have a great day everyone!

-Mark

I daresay the FT search function got a thorough workout today!

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Off topic Posts
Off topic posts take two general forms:

Posts within a discussion thread that detract from the topic being discussed.

Topic-starting posts that are placed in an inappropriate forum.

When determining in which forum to place a topic-starting post, pay close attention to the forum description.

sometimes, the winner ruins it all in his following interview ...

My thoughts exactly, gleff. You summed that up quite nicely. Doc, you save me time by coupon-cutting the stories out there. Some are fruity; others are critical. Thanks for allowing me a chance to pick and choose and doing the research for me. (Although you do rely a wee bit too much on the NYT for my liking!)

I never realized how much you did, doc. We all are unique and thus contribute differently---isn't that what the beauty of diversity is all about? I hope the above statement from Randy stops the incessant public personal attacks on doc. It's his website afterall.

As best as I can tell, they're not personal attacks. They are comments on his volume of posts. Doc just seems to take them personally.

ROTFLMAO. Hmmmm, chance would be a fine thing.

When a member (and he is not alone in this) posts on the one hand:

If anyone here is unhappy with FT ... I would suggest they contact Randy.

And then when Randy's attention IS attracted and Randy (for the 400th time) takes his valuable time and indicates he has no problem whatever with how things stand relating to doc's posting, that member still says:

Randy, Since you by admission have only read a VERY small percentage of doc's posts, I would suggest you look at some more when you have some free time.

Well Analise, lets say that nothing much has changed around here in recent years. When you read Randy's 401st post along the same lines you will see what I mean.

Like both Randy and Camera Guy have admitted, I sure as heck only read a small % of doc's posts. BUT he does make thread headings CLEAR and concise IMO. So when I do click on them, I am aware what I will be reading about. I can't think of many if any at all of doc's threads that have ever been in the wrong Forum as some seem fixated with. I will agree that many threads started in OMNI lately (but many folks - including myself!) are pretty silly, but THAT is allowed in OMNI ...... by clear definition.

Sadly I cannot say all posters (outside OMNI) use clear thread titles, and I spend far MORE time on opening those - of NO interest to me in the end, than I do on reading those of doc's I am interested in.

And overall I gain a LOT more information from reading informative threads started by doc that I do choose to click on, than I ever have from some terrier-like doc detractors. The vast bulk of whose posts I will bet money are nibbling at doc and not contributing one iota of useful airline or point earning info to other FT'ers. Their choice entirely where to post, but as the saying goes, your value to FT is based on your last posts.

And Rudi easily wins my line of the week award, 3 posts above.



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Kindly forgive me please, since I sadly forgot that we have some members who approach reading in a kinda' "inches mode!"

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Originally posted by CameraGuy:

I got bored about 1 inch into the above post.

When the Cliff Notes come out, would somebody please send me a copy.

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http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr.../007367-2.html

Again one fails here to read and respond to the post at hand, as usual!

So we actually do have members too "bored" to read here i guess?

Is it perhaps that you simply do not understand the questions/comments? Or are you simply incapable of responding?

Ah!!! I remember now! Of course, as you say, you always ignore my posts anyway!

You just simply know "somehow," what it is that they say!

Why ever post here if you do not want to even read the response? Is there another agenda perhaps? Please explain if you don't mind, thanks!

Do you actually expect to comment upon others and yet receive no response?

Do you perceive yourself as a kind of permanent "questioner" rather than one to ever be questioned?

Perhaps, alternatively, you might wish to consider, as you have been so fond of asking others lately, whether FT is truly for you, after all?

It seems that you are, sadly, not happy here!

In any case, I wish you the very best!


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Uh, may I politely suggest a careful rereading of this and related threads!

Why not try imagining yourself in the position of one being continually subject to
this type of "stuff?" Thanks!

Have a great night!

Mark

Jon Toner, are you sure about that? I mean, we've all heard reports that the FT Search feature isn't all that well lately.

I maintain that it's a different mechanism that got a lot of exercise tonight.

FewMiles..

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