Goldlust: As a non-Aryan, I would take great offense to your attempt to draw comparisons, however lighthearted they might be, between the Hitler Youth Movement and the present moderators... but fortunately for you, I am not a moderator. Instead, I will take your very poor choice of analogies and chalk it up to your inexperience.

FewMiles..

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As a Dane (I'm not sure whether that is Aryan to you, I have never thought of that) and thus a citizen of a country that unlike Canada was in fact occupied by Germany, I would take great offense to your attempt to voice any claim of knowledge as to my experience.

Goldlust

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Moderator and especially Moderator1 is a censor, a tool of oppression used by an authoritarian regime to suppress the voices of general masses.

This is because only some forums are read by most members and lurkers. By pushing undesirable threads into "suggestions" moderators (incorrectly) think that they can shut them up. They may be unaware that they are breaching the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution...

Essxjay,

Your calling a memeber of this board as Kiddo is highly offensive to most members of this board! Please do NOT exceed your rights as a moderator by becoming a filthy gutter crawler who calls people names just because she cannot come up with a convincing enough argument against their theory.

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This post was caused by the board's malfunction. It was supposed to be an edit of my previous post.

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I learned (on this FlyerTalk Board - thank you) that the 'US constitutional freedom of speech' has nothing/little to do with the freedom of private (non-governemental) organizations/individuals freedom to put up restrictive 'regulations/limitations/rules' how to communicate and what is/should be tolerated and what not.

This is probably because these matters were never taken any further into the legal system or they were quickly hushed up by the privately owned media, since the court rulings were unfavourable to them.

BTW, Rudi, with all due respect, I am a bit surprised that a freedom loving Swiss person as yourself speaks up in defence of censorship and oppression. After all, Switzerland is one of the very few countries in the world that allows drug use...

Would you stop it already?

Amendment 1 of the U.S. Constitution prohibits the imposition of Congressional (read: Federal) restrictions on the press, religion, and speech.

It has no bearing on the rules of a private forum or entity. End of story. Please stop using that argument.



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After all, Switzerland is one of the very few countries in the world that allows drug use...

yes ... I admit (but don't regret) ... that my family ... for generations ... has been and still is ... in the alcohol (beer and wine) business ... and I also like, from time to time, to smoke a (cuban) cigar ...

Well, Goldlust, given that your country was invaded by Nazi Germany during the war, I am surprised at how casually you toss around terms like Hitlerjugend and compare moderators to that. IMHO, such comparisons belittle those who suffered as a result of that regime. But then again, I bow to your experience. It is your opinion in the end and not mine - I disagree with you, that is all.

Cheers,
FewMiles..

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Again, you do not know if the post was made by essxjay the FT'er or essxjay the Moderator.

But does that really matter? I mean, she has the same handle not a seperate one like the other moderators, so any of her posts could easily be confused for either being posted by ESSXJAY the moderator or ESSXJAY the FT'er. But aside from that, isn't Kiddo...(no matter which ESSXJAY it came from) a little disrespectful? I'm not saying she meant it that way, but it sort of came across that way.

Not nearly as disrespectful as how Spider referred to essxjay in his post.

BTW, I'm not the only one who noticed that, immediately following the "filthy gutter crawler" reference, Spider proceeded to call her someone "who calls people names just because she cannot come up with a convincing enough argument against their theory," am I?

I sure hope that we're very soon reaching the point where everyone finally tires of this kind of "stuff!"

Have a great night all!

Doc,

It's morning here and I'm already tired!

I think the tone here is way too heated.

I would hope we could allow for differences of opinion without personal attacks.

Frankly, I have felt attacked personally for having spoken up here and made the case for what I think is a better way (without attacking others), and I have felt �alienated" by others�and that's too bad...

Why is this getting so heated? Probably because it touches on that precious principle of free speech.

Therefore, while it may be "legal" because this is a private community, this policy is indeed Censorship in Action, pure and simple.

And surely, this violation of the �principle� of free speech -- particularly for inoffensive remarks -- triggers an emotional response for many.

But please keep in mind, that this is a travel bulletin board...not a government...or an army...or a religion.

In addition, please keep in mind that email can be an overly harsh form of expression, and the interpretation of positions can be easily exaggerated.

Except for the most egregiously offensive remarks, I don�t think personal attacks are appropriate here, and I think people�s differing opinions should be welcomed and even encouraged.


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