You are exactly right. The threads were moved here because hardly anyone goes in to the suggestions area (this partly because when suggestions are made, we are either ignored, told that the suggestion isnt the correct way of doing things, or we are spoken to like we are 2 year olds who need to be reprimanded)
I think the moderators are hoping that the thread dies down.
I am not against moderators, maybe they are needed...especially when people get out of hand, but it seems to me that the moderators are carrying this a little to far and are on a power trip and they are not even moderating the things that need to be moderated.

See this is exactly my point, why is such a popular topic moved from the largest forum to a dead one that no one would ever think of visiting?? (unless of course they actually have some suggestion)

Perhaps a ModeratorBuzz forum should be created for all discussion pertaining to them???

MilesBuzz is not the place for discussion or to make suggestions, since I assume, that is what some people are trying to do, rather than complain.

If you don't like the navigation, or the forum layout, Suggestions is where to do it.

A link and notice was posted in MilesBuzz of where to continue this discussion on moderators and moderation. Additionally, also posted in MilesBuzz was how future posts would be moved.

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To be added in the "count" and to add my two new pennies...

I am 100% in favor of moderators (fwiw).

But I must say that I am little confused with essxjay's posts. There is a difference between posting as "essxjay" the FT'er and "essxjay" the Moderator. I appreciate burkey and craig6z's separate moderator handles to distinguish their posts.

The quote above by 100000 is completely rough and unfair. W/o a two-handled essxjay you don't know if that comment is coming from her as a moderator or as an FT Community member. Because there is a difference.

A burkey post saying, "chexy, wanna put back a number of cheesesteaks from Pat's?" should only be posted by burkey and not Moderator1. And the handle craig6z should post "yo chexfan, I sent the SWUs to you yesterday."

I believe that this is the root for 100000's correct but misdirected comment above.


Simple, b/c this is where it belongs. I read the title as a suggestion in "dropping the moderators." I see no problem with this thread in suggestions. And I do not feel that Buzz! should be a catch-all b/c it is at the top and a "large forum".

Perhaps I am a geek (well, I have lived in France for 14 years), but I regularly read the Suggestions Forum - it seems (to me) like a very good way of participating in the FT community.

I agree with chexfan's post. It would be helpful for moderators to use their moderator handle when doing just that (Moderator1 and Moderator2 do this).

I, too, am against "Buzz" being a catch-all forum (and I say this as a repentant poster, having posted some things to "Buzz" in the past that really didn't belong there).

Goldlust:

On the face of your statement made above and quoted below, I must politely disagree. Would you care to elaborate?

On a side note I watched a documentary on Hitlerjugend last night, and I did draw some lines between that and current events.

[This message has been edited by blairvanhorn (edited 08-14-2001).]

While I absolutely agree with the general concept of freedom of expression for ALL and that dgolds is quite correct in outlying the actual primary impetus for the new moderated format, please recall that Randy has himself already tried to address this particular issue, headon, from the very outset in his efforts to bring the very best of all possible worlds to FTers worldwide!

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000270.html

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In a sense, are there not in reality, some checks and balances? I think so, at least in that WE kind of suggest, if not legislate the proceedures, Moderators enforce the adopted guidelines, and Randy & Co ultimately judge the Moderators!

Again, as I've previously noted, being a Moderator is a very critical and time consuming position, in which much effort is expended by well intentioned and personally selected voluteers! As I said from the beginning, it is not a job that I'd peersonally ever want - even if there were some form of tangible remuneration - but I would like us to ideally show support for our moderators and we can learn together how to make FT the best possible place for ALL of us! Thanks!

Just for the record

1. I do not have any objections to Moderators moving threads to the correct forum as long as they apply uniform criteria to all Flyertalkers

2. I do and will always object to anybody using indiscrete,impolite,inflamatory and curt language. This particularly applies to Moderators who unfortunately live in glass houses while doing a thankless job.

I hope that in this note we wind up this discussion in a positive way.

Well, I found several differents things but the most obvious was the brainwashing. These poor children thought they were doing the right thing falling for their country but they had zero experience, and this seems to be obvious for one or two of the moderators also.

[This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 08-15-2001).]

Thanks for explaining your position. I respectfully, and completely, disagree.

Comparing the current efforts of the new moderators to do their jobs with fairness and in unchartered territory has absolutely nothing to with with "poor children", "brainwashing", "zero experience" and the Hitler Youth movement.

Have you ever seen Hitler's own words describing his aspirations for the Hitlerjugend? I see no similarities witn FT moderators.

"My program for educating youth is hard. Weakness must be hammered away. In my castles of the Teutonic Order a youthwill grow up before which the world will tremble. I want a brutal, domineering, fearless, cruel youth. Youth must be all that. It must bear pain. There must be nothing weak and gentle about it. The free, splendid beast of prey must once again flash from its eyes...That is how I will eradicate thousands of years of human domestication...That is how I will create the New Order." -- Adolf Hitler, 1933.

I am not going to join a debate on Hitlerjugend. FWIW, I have read material on it and also Hitler's very own Mein Kampf. Does that make me an expert in Hitlerjugend? Of course not.

Anyway, even if I knew nothing of Hitlerjugend it would not matter. I made a comment about my feelings regarding a documentary I have seen and the moderators on FlyerTalk, in essense that I found both the children in Hitlerjugend and the moderators on FlyerTalk to lack experience (the first on life in general, the latter on moderation and staying at the moral highground a moderator should).

To suggest that I think Hitlerjugend in general has anything to do with FlyerTalk or the moderators (who are adults to my knowledge, whether they act so or not) is completely absurd, and your post illustrates this very well, I think

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Ah, you are now providing some insight regarding your original post, in which you wrote "On a side note I watched a documentary on Hitlerjugend last night, and I did draw some lines between that and current events [at FT]." Sorry, but this statement, with no further explanation provided at the time, suggested to me that you did think that Hitlerjugend definitely had something to do with FlyerTalk and the moderators. Maybe I am completely absurd But I'm sure not a mind reader, so I can only take your posts at face value. Maybe you can provide a little more explanantion when you employ inflammatory terms such as Hitlerjugend to describe people or events here on FT.

Just my (absurd) 2 cents

P.S. Any "debate" regarding Hitlerjugend (I prefer to call this a discussion) was started by your choice of the word to describe the current moderator situation at FT.

I don't feel you can use a word like this and then claim no responsibilty for the ensuing "debate".


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Well, now I think I have explained my view-point so that should settle it. I understand that FlyerTalk is big and there was noway for you to know that I often express myself using references from the television and such.

We must all take everyones posts with a grain of salt (I admit I have often not done so with regards to other people's posts) because there is really no way of knowing what they mean, and jumping to conclusions can be "not good."

Also, my use of the word "absurd" was regarding the fact that my original post could be interpreted like this and meant as self-criticism (of my person for lacking to clarify at once).

Now, if we could get away from the Hitlerjugend of the past and back to disgussing the Hitlerjugend of the present here on FlyerTalk (yes, that was a joke)

I fail to see why this thread was moved to "Suggestions" in the first place since it really is not about suggestions, it is opinions on the moderators, and my opinion is that the decision to move the thread here illustrates the quality of the moderators.

Thanks, Goldlust.

I appreciate the clarifications.

On with the discussion about Moderators!

I appreciate that it's a hard job, but I liked FT better without the way moderators are now being used.

I think moderators should be more focused on shutting down threads that become mean-spirited.

I preferred the old buzz. A treasure trove and free-for-all.

But Randy makes the rules. I don't like these changes, though.