wimvlb

I am Spg Lifetime plat with 1075 nights ... so I am going from being top of the line for upgrades to being third in line .. very disappointing.. Staying over 1000 nights with spg is a testament to my loyalty that I feel should have been rewarded

jmkclee

For us, the bigger issue is the 10 years platinum for SPG LTP. Marriott does not require 10 years.. Judicious credit card spend on the Marriott card could get you Marriott LTP in 5 years. We (well hubby) have the nights for SPG LTP (member since 1999 and Westin member prior to that). Gold all but the last 5 years in which we were Platinum. I think 10 years Plat is harder than 750 nights. Combined nights will be over 1000 by the end of the year, have 1.75M Marriott lifetime points, 90k current SPG points and I'm sure close to 2M lifetime SPG points...we are earners and burners...just in the last year we"ve stayed at Royal Palm South Beach, St. Regis Maldives, and 2 rooms at Westin Maui for 6 nights over Christmas. We *don't* put everyday spend on the SPG Amex (use CSR, except for United, home improvement and grocery stores which goes on the no longer available United Premier select total of 10k PQMs on that card which helps towards 1K). So IMHO, everything should be equal...Marriott LTP should have to have 10 years as Plat to get LTPP in the new program and SPG LTP should have to have 10 years, 750 nights, 2M points lifetime...and yes, SPG points, not trippled. If not, than I can make an argument that we have just as much right to be LTPP in the new program as anyone else.

RogerD408

Welcome to being a poster on FT! I wish it could have been for a more pleasant issue.

Please, contact SPG and let them know your situation. I do believe there is time for them to change the requirements and hope they do, but if they don't hear from us, don't expect a change.

jrothenb

To conversely argue for a pathway for SPG LTP between 500 and 750 nights to have some pathway to (even eventual) LTPP, I as but one example altered my stay patterns after the merger was announced to experience more of the Marriott portfolio, and ended up staying nearly 100 nights on the Marriott side in the past year or two. I'm currently just over 600 nights on the SPG side, but if the Marriott nights are added in at 8/1/18 from the past couple of years, I will likely have over 750 nights. I recognize that there are many people in their own unique situations, but I would have 100% kept all of my nights on the Starwood side for the last two years if I knew that 750 within SPG only was the threshold for this new status. It's not for the name or prestige of LTPP, there are real implications in terms of suite upgrades (very important when traveling with family), and seemingly the United partnership which may only be at the 75-night level.

Absolutely still holding out hope that the thoughtful Marriott leaders reading these threads will yet announce some modifications or clarifications that improve the outlook for those on the SPG LTP side.

azepine00

In nearly the same situation here (450/10 yr plat SPG + 100ish MR nts) - my read on this is the same.
Before this week's announcement we thought of pushing for 500 nts this year but it looks like we can hit 600 the natural way early in 2019 and get the very same LT Plt... We'd definitely do 50 nts even by august if it led to LT PP

RogerD408

You'd need 200 (making 750 LT nights) to earn MR LTP to get bumped to MPG LTPP IF they change their minds and merge the numbers before assigning status. I suspect/hope we will see some changes to acknowledge those of us that were very loyal to SPG. Personally, I'm at 493/740, so I may step over today's line just to lock it in.
You would need 650 MR Nights to earn MR LTP under the original announcement. But I hear they are rethinking that.

Keyser

i'm not saying i would move if they threw a few points my way....hilton devalued their points & ihg offered points in return....marriott has devalued the program for spg members so if hilton were to offer similar perks that spg did then that would convince a lot of people to move....this is a chance for hilton & others to gain a decent number of members who have been with spg for a long time....i don't think they are going to do anything about it & in my opinion it would be a wasted opportunity....

Keyser

what's not there to understand????there are those who are well in excess of 750 nights & 10 years plat status with spg....the same requirement marriott lifetime plats had....so why is it not fair to give the same status to these members????

sfosyd

The biggest issue is the unfairness of it. As stated before, there is no way for someone with a significant number of SPG stays to get to the highest lifetime status via grandfathering.

This Is unfair to both SPG AND Marriott members. Marriott made it seem like, before this announcement, that staying at SPG properties was equivalent to staying at Marriott properties and that status, including lifetime, would be recognized across both programs. I’m sure there were some Marriott members who shifted stays to SPG and were on the cusp of LT Marriott Platinum. They are just as screwed as the SPG elites. Marriott needs to make this right​​​​​.

Keyser

if you go through this thread then you will realise that those under 750 lifetime nights are not asking to be put at the same level at their marriott counterparts....its those that are in excess of 750 nights who are feeling left out....

jmkclee

Realistically, someone could have Marriott LTP without ever having been a Marriott Platinum. The requirement is 750 nights and 2M points. Over the lifetime of the program I can easily see how someone could have 750 nights and 2M points without ever having had Platinum status. Heck, we have almost 500 nights and 1.75 M points and have never have "earned" more than silver status because of the credit card (although with United, we got Gold a few years back, and now with SPG, we have Platinum). One could earn a lot of those 750 nights with the credit card. So no, Marriott LTP does not mean that the person stayed 75 nights/year. There is no way to get to SPG Plat without earning it. 10 years Plat is much, much harder, in either program.

dilbertsdaddy

I understand why the current LTP Plats are upset, particularly the ones with over 750 and the points.

But I do not have a dog in the hunt since I was never going to make it anyway because of the points.

I am SPG LT Gold. What I am VERY happy about is that there is in fact a clear and reasonable path to LT Plat. (points gone!!!!) Honestly this is better than I expected.

But......since the new Plat is 50, I think MR Gold years should count too in additional to SPG Plat and MR Plat years. I already have the nights.

Of course MR cannot tell me how many Plat and Gold years I have......

I would just like to know where I stand

I'm sure this will all come out in the wash soon.

mooper

I take no issue with SPG LTPs with 750+ nights and 2MIL+ points (or 667K SPG equiv) also being grandfathered to LTPP. Only issue is with *all* SPG LTPs joining that group.

jrothenb summed it up brilliantly in this post.

Great points and valid concerns. Note, however, that to get 750 MR nights, you'd have to average at *least* 75/year for at *least* 10 years, which is averaging Platinum. If you were short a year, say 50 nights, you'd need to do 100 another year. Using a credit card to get EQNs is possible with both programs, as is using award nights (which I believe has counted for SPG much longer).

UA-NYC

But that's not what you said - you implied that MR Plat benefits are better aligned w/the higher tier PPlat, and SPG Plat benefits are better aligned w/the regular Plat. Thus basically implying that MR Plat benefits were more substantial than SPG Plat benefits.

I am calling BS on that, as most would generally agree the reverse was true.

So curious as to your rationale why.

UA-NYC

This isn't really telling the full story...my $60K spend on the SPG AmEx last year got me 5 EQNs. That spend on the Marriott Visa would have gotten me 35 Marriott nights. Plus the rollover nights...yes, Starwood would give you multiple room credit going back a few years now, but that is also still actual room revenue, vs. CC or rollover nights.

I would have made Marriott LT Plat in ~6 years, FWIW...