WN Emergency landing in Yuma
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Unfortunately, you will get fully refund the money for your next future trip. I am afraid lots of those passengers who stuck at airports. They will have try to put on next flight out or fly another airlines. They are very extremely disappointed the news to hear. Hopeless, sometimes in the couple days when the entire -300 is ready to put back on revenue routes again. It will take a times when the entire -300 is completions inspections.
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So, this makes 2 fuselage hole incidents in 20 months for WN B737-300s, with the first found to be caused by metal fatigue. Doesn't leave a particularly warm and fuzzy feeling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwe...es_Flight_2294
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwe...es_Flight_2294
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There's lots of planes from the 80s and early 90s still in use; this isn't some Ford you bought off a dealer's lot, so "old" means little here.
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the -700 started to fix these issues...
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A little off-topic, but we actually did buy a couple of used birds from Ford. The pair of -700s were previously used as corporate shuttles over in Europe....
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If they maintain them properly. WN was fined 7.5M for violation of ADs (2nd largest in FAA history). After that if there's anything amuck with the records on this AC their certificate is legitimately in jeopardy.
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That was indeed tragic - but to add some perspective to WN 812 (time to withdraw that flight number), the 737 is pretty well overbuilt in most ways.
Aloha 243 on arrival at Kahului - a true "okole squeezer"
Southwest 812 (goodbye overhead luggage) from Christine Ziegler
Aloha 243 on arrival at Kahului - a true "okole squeezer"
Southwest 812 (goodbye overhead luggage) from Christine Ziegler
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Yes, unfortunately, they didn't do it at all. They are not responsible for safety inspections the entire aircraft. I was too ashamed for what they did to them. I wasn't pleasure to fly on WN for a long time. Does not have a safety properly at all and after all of those years they violations from FAA regulations. Gary Kelly behaviors that he doesn't changes at all. He wasn't aware of the older aircraft that didn't have a inspections for a long time. They failed to comply follows the rules from FAA regulations. They should have ensure to follows the specific rules.
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Potential red herring here. Some of these "third world" facilities provide a level of service exceeding what you would find in a US based shop. The airlines should feel lucky Oberstar got fired by the MN tea party; he'd be all over this like white on rice.
http://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2009/Dec/59093.html
Outsourcing Raises Serious Safety Questions
The problem with outsourcing, particularly to maintenance and repair shops located overseas, is that these shops are difficult to monitor. In addition to the 4,227 domestic repair shops located in the U.S., there are roughly 700 FAA approved foreign repair shops in 70 countries. The FAA is required to inspect and monitor all of these on a regular basis through a system of checks and balances. According to the DOT’s Inspector General, this system is flawed.
The OIG report, Air Carriers’ Outsourcing of Aircraft Maintenance, Federal Aviation Administration Report Number: AV-2008-090, issued on September 30, 2008, became a scathing review of the FAA’s role, or lack thereof, in the inspection and supervision of many foreign aircraft maintenance shops, which are supposed to maintain comparable safety standards to the U.S. counterparts.
The Inspector General reported that the FAA and industry inspectors have not been properly monitoring aircraft maintenance work. According to the report, “while the FAA has begun moving its safety oversight toward a risk-based system, it still relies too heavily on air carriers’ oversight procedures, which are not always sufficient.”
Specifically, the OIG determined that the “FAA did not (1) have an adequate system for determining how much and where the most critical maintenance occurs, (2) have a specific policy governing when certificate management inspectors should visit repair stations performing substantial maintenance, (3) require inspectors to validate that repair stations have corrected deficiencies identified in air carrier audits, and (4) have adequate controls to ensure that inspectors document inspection findings in the national database and review related findings by other inspectors. As a result, the FAA could not effectively target its inspection resources to those repair stations providing the highest volume of repairs, which caused deficiencies at repair stations to go undetected or reoccur and prevented inspectors from obtaining sufficient data to perform comprehensive risk assessments.”
Close Calls Don’t Inspire Confidence
One foreign shop, in particular, became the focus of NPR’s report on the industry’s growing trend of outsourcing maintenance. That particular facility is Aeroman repair station in El Salvador which made a mistake that could have potentially been catastrophic. In January 2009, a US Airways jet traveling from Omaha to Phoenix was forced to land in Denver after the pressure seal around the main cabin door started to fail. It was later discovered that the mechanics at Aeroman had installed an important door component backwards.
The problem with outsourcing, particularly to maintenance and repair shops located overseas, is that these shops are difficult to monitor. In addition to the 4,227 domestic repair shops located in the U.S., there are roughly 700 FAA approved foreign repair shops in 70 countries. The FAA is required to inspect and monitor all of these on a regular basis through a system of checks and balances. According to the DOT’s Inspector General, this system is flawed.
The OIG report, Air Carriers’ Outsourcing of Aircraft Maintenance, Federal Aviation Administration Report Number: AV-2008-090, issued on September 30, 2008, became a scathing review of the FAA’s role, or lack thereof, in the inspection and supervision of many foreign aircraft maintenance shops, which are supposed to maintain comparable safety standards to the U.S. counterparts.
The Inspector General reported that the FAA and industry inspectors have not been properly monitoring aircraft maintenance work. According to the report, “while the FAA has begun moving its safety oversight toward a risk-based system, it still relies too heavily on air carriers’ oversight procedures, which are not always sufficient.”
Specifically, the OIG determined that the “FAA did not (1) have an adequate system for determining how much and where the most critical maintenance occurs, (2) have a specific policy governing when certificate management inspectors should visit repair stations performing substantial maintenance, (3) require inspectors to validate that repair stations have corrected deficiencies identified in air carrier audits, and (4) have adequate controls to ensure that inspectors document inspection findings in the national database and review related findings by other inspectors. As a result, the FAA could not effectively target its inspection resources to those repair stations providing the highest volume of repairs, which caused deficiencies at repair stations to go undetected or reoccur and prevented inspectors from obtaining sufficient data to perform comprehensive risk assessments.”
Close Calls Don’t Inspire Confidence
One foreign shop, in particular, became the focus of NPR’s report on the industry’s growing trend of outsourcing maintenance. That particular facility is Aeroman repair station in El Salvador which made a mistake that could have potentially been catastrophic. In January 2009, a US Airways jet traveling from Omaha to Phoenix was forced to land in Denver after the pressure seal around the main cabin door started to fail. It was later discovered that the mechanics at Aeroman had installed an important door component backwards.
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I would've loved to have been on that plane during that crazy descent!
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I say by Monday, some passenger on board the flight will undoubtedly sue for millions.
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Remember that Aloha event. Pretty fantastic picture! Amazingly no larger number of fatalities.