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mtkeller Apr 21, 2012 11:13 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 18433695)
LON looks to be €772 cheaper for the base fare, but I would have to buy a round-trip ticket to London. And maybe stay a night in a hotel there. And what about LHR taxes? Aren't they higher for business class than CDG?

Long-haul, yes, but to the continent is really cheap (£22 or £24, iirc). You could fly to LHR in the morning on the separate ticket and then back on the next flight on your RTW and ensure you have more than 24 hours before taking off on a long-haul flight from CDG. That will trigger the short-haul taxes instead of the long-haul taxes.

vijayp May 26, 2012 1:13 pm

CSKYRTW
 
I'm trying to book an ex-BOM RTW revenue ticket in business class. Trying to get the AF flights from bom to bordeaux via CDG, but the guy on the delta line keeps saying that the flight comes back unavailable, despite it showing I9.

Is he doing something wrong? Should I try again later? How can I see how much space is available other than looking for I on expertflyer?

There is a DL flight via AMS, but it has a very long layover which I'd rather avoid (apparently the earlier AMS-bordeaux flight isn't available so I'll end up spending all day in AMS.)

stimpy May 27, 2012 2:12 am


Originally Posted by vijayp (Post 18646574)
I'm trying to book an ex-BOM RTW revenue ticket in business class. Trying to get the AF flights from bom to bordeaux via CDG, but the guy on the delta line keeps saying that the flight comes back unavailable, despite it showing I9.

Is he doing something wrong? Should I try again later? How can I see how much space is available other than looking for I on expertflyer?

Since it is an AF flight, maybe you will have better luck booking the RTW with AF. I did that recently and they were very good about dealing with a difficult RTW.

pandaperth Jul 9, 2012 7:57 am

I've just been browsing the ST web site
It appears to me that the maximum permitted mileages have changed
They are now:

Choose from the following packages based on the miles you plan to travel:

•38,000 miles
•33,000 miles
•29,000 miles
•26,000 miles
I'm sure the maximum used to be 39,000 miles

KQ321 Jul 9, 2012 8:08 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 18895514)
I've just been browsing the ST web site
It appears to me that the maximum permitted mileages have changed

I'm sure the maximum used to be 39,000 miles

Indeed! The new mileages quoted by pandaperth are also shown in the GDS entry for RTWSKY fares. However, an RTW brochure I have (admittedly dated November 2007, but I am sure the same mileage bands applied until very recently) states:
Code:

39,000 miles
34,000 miles
29,000 miles
26,000 miles

So they've taken 1,000 miles off the maximum mileage for RTWSKY1 and RTWSKY2 - which is disappointing, to the say the least.

pandaperth Jul 29, 2012 12:20 am

150% Increase in ex-SEZ Price
 
Was just re-checking the price of the CRTWSKY1 ex-SEZ

Earlier this year it was just over 63,000SCR
I see today it is 162,218SCR
An increase of 150%!! :td:

Back to the drawing board:(
I was planning to purchase late this year; for an intinerary that would run through most of next year. Had even been in email correspondence with KQ ticketing to verify that I could, from PER, purchase at the ez-SEZ price
I have to do something - we are flying to SEZ next March on bmi award tickets - and have to get home somehow

stimpy Jul 29, 2012 2:56 am

Wow that's bad news. I was hoping to do an ex-SEZ next year. But that's the travel game. You generally have to book early to lock in the good prices as the price is only good at the moment of booking.

Henry III Aug 3, 2012 7:06 am

Good folks of FlyerTalk,

With the up-coming entry of Aerolineas Argentinas into SkyTeam, I was looking around for new RTW routes and came up with an interesting conundrum, as follows: if I take a segment, EZE-SYD (which AR do operate as a non-stop flight), would it count as eastbound or westbound?

Plotting the route on a great-circle mapper, I find that the shortest route is the 'westbound' line - but only just! (EZE-PER would be almost exactly over the South Pole, but AR don't have that route). But Great Circles aren't everything - one also has to consider prevailing Jet Stream and wind flows, and commercial airspace issues.

Has anyone actually flown this route?

-- Henry

MSPeconomist Aug 3, 2012 7:53 am

My sense of geography (not) says it's westbound and that one would have a hard time convincing someone that it's eastbound even if it fly take the polar route.

Scandalrag Aug 3, 2012 8:15 am

It would be considered Westbound
 

Originally Posted by Henry III (Post 19052224)
Good folks of FlyerTalk,

With the up-coming entry of Aerolineas Argentinas into SkyTeam, I was looking around for new RTW routes and came up with an interesting conundrum, as follows: if I take a segment, EZE-SYD (which AR do operate as a non-stop flight), would it count as eastbound or westbound?

Plotting the route on a great-circle mapper, I find that the shortest route is the 'westbound' line - but only just! (EZE-PER would be almost exactly over the South Pole, but AR don't have that route). But Great Circles aren't everything - one also has to consider prevailing Jet Stream and wind flows, and commercial airspace issues.

Has anyone actually flown this route?

-- Henry

All flights from zone 1(Americas) to zone 3(Asia and Australia) are westbound under the rules.

Henry III Aug 3, 2012 8:21 am

The RTW planner on SkyTeam's website agrees with you, MSPeconomist and Scandalrag!

I just checked out a route (actually going the other way) and came up with this valid itinerary (bracketed locations are connexions only):

LHR-(AMS)-NBO-(BOM)-ICN-SYD-EZE-(FCO)-LHR

(And it already gives the SYD-EZE leg on AR, even though they're not yet joined up!) I'll see if I can get a route with PER-EZE non-stop, just so I can fly 'under the pole'!! :D

DL2SXM Aug 5, 2012 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 18895514)
I've just been browsing the ST web site
It appears to me that the maximum permitted mileages have changed
They are now:


I'm sure the maximum used to be 39,000 miles

does anyone know if the cost for business class fares are published for the RTW fares?

woodenshoe101 Sep 14, 2012 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by nypdLieu (Post 19064668)
does anyone know if the cost for business class fares are published for the RTW fares?

I am looking at a paid RTW (SKY3) in business in OCT. Currently EF shows (originating in USA):
Code:

CRTWSKY4        DL        S          Round-Trip        9620.00(USD)                 
CRTWSKY3        DL        S          Round-Trip        11020.00(USD)         
CRTWSKY2        DL        I          Round-Trip        12870.00(USD)         
CRTWSKY1        DL        I          Round-Trip        14820.00(USD)

The question I have is how flexible the ITIN is after initially booked? Can't really get it from the (rather lengthy) fare rules, but based on some adjacent language in the rules I would guess that each segment cannot be changed <7 days prior to that segment. Does anyone have an idea/experience with this?

stimpy Sep 15, 2012 2:35 am


Originally Posted by woodenshoe101 (Post 19316808)
The question I have is how flexible the ITIN is after initially booked? Can't really get it from the (rather lengthy) fare rules, but based on some adjacent language in the rules I would guess that each segment cannot be changed <7 days prior to that segment. Does anyone have an idea/experience with this?

You can certainly change segments more than 7 days prior and at any time prior to 24 hours before flying I think. But there are change fees which may depend on your status. It might also depend on which carrier issues the ticket so you should give the RTW desk a call at the carrier you wish to purchase from.

MSPeconomist Sep 15, 2012 7:46 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 19319096)
You can certainly change segments more than 7 days prior and at any time prior to 24 hours before flying I think. But there are change fees which may depend on your status. It might also depend on which carrier issues the ticket so you should give the RTW desk a call at the carrier you wish to purchase from.

DL now has a rule that no changes are permitted to award tickets within 72 hours of the scheduled flight time. This should also apply to RTW tickets booked with DL miles. The rule also says that if you try to cancel an award ticket that used DL miles within 72 hours of departure, the miles will not be returned to you. There is extensive discussion of this in the DL forum. The normal change fee for DL award tickets is $150, which is waived for PMs and DMs.


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