RTW on Skyteam?
Oct 30, 2010 | 2:48 am
#481
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http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/index.html
and ....with your tool for China pass
[KVS Availability Tool 5.8.9901/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:
CAN Guangzhou Baiyun CN [ZGGG] SZX Shenzhen CN [ZGSZ] THU 20 Jan 2011 | THU 03 Feb 2011 | R/T | Economy Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- CZ CAN SZX 215 EUR S1CN CZ CAN SZX 308 EUR S2CN CZ CAN SZX 401 EUR S3CN CZ CAN SZX 487 EUR S4CN CZ CAN SZX 573 EUR S5CN CZ CAN SZX 652 EUR S6CN CZ CAN SZX 731 EUR S7CN CZ CAN SZX 802 EUR S8CN CZ CAN SZX 874 EUR S9CN CZ CAN SZX 931 EUR S10CN
[KVS Availability Tool 5.8.9901/Diamond - DotRes: CAN-SZX/CZ/S1CN/215 EUR]
THE SKYTEAM CHINA PASS IS LIMITED TO MINIMUM 3
COUPONS.
THE FARE BASES ON THE MILEAGE OF THE ENTIRE
JOURNEY AND TO BE PAID IN USD OR EQUIVALENT
CURRENCY. A SURFACE SEGMENT WILL NOT BE COUNTED
IN
THE MILEAGE OF THE JOURNEY.
AND THE FARE/FARE BASIS/RESERVATIONS BOOKING
DESIGNATOR ARE AS FOLLOWING.
MILES USD RBD FARE BASIS
0-1500 300.00 S S1CN
1501-2200 430.00 S S2CN
2201-2900 560.00 S S3CN
2901-3600 680.00 S S4CN
3601-4300 800.00 S S5CN
4301-5000 910.00 S S6CN
5001-5700 1020.00 S S7CN
5701-6400 1120.00 S S8CN
6401-7100 1220.00 S S9CN
7101-8000 1300.00 S S10CN
0-1500 270.00 S S1CNDD
1501-2200 390.00 S S2CNDD
2201-2900 510.00 S S3CNDD
2901-3600 620.00 S S4CNDD
3601-4300 720.00 S S5CNDD
4301-5000 820.00 S S6CNDD
5001-5700 920.00 S S7CNDD
5701-6400 1010.00 S S8CNDD
6401-7100 1100.00 S S9CNDD
7101-8000 1170.00 S S10CNDD.
Nov 27, 2010 | 6:46 pm
#482
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: hopefully somewhere interesting, just moved from CMB to CAI
Programs: AAdvantage, Etihad Guest, Qatar Privilege Club
Posts: 48
RTW starting CAI... a few queries
Hi,
I'm looking into a RTW starting in Cairo and am looking at SKYRTWs which I've not investigated before. As many have commented on here they aren't quite as forthcoming with info and ease of planning as the other alliances so this immediately puts me off, but, hey, I'm persisting for a bit
Looking at the fare rules I got from a travel agent here, I've just got a few questions:
It doesn't list ICN and GMP as being "considered as one city" which seems a bit harsh. Is this definitely the case?
All the references in the rules refer to 'stopovers' and not to 'segments' which, I think, contrasts with OW and *A, i.e. on the latter two if I go overland JFK-YUL then they will (annoyingly) count that as one of my sixteen flight segments but my interpretation of the SkyTeam 'stopover' rule is that overland JFK-YUL will be one 'stopover' and thus I won't lose a flight segment if I do that (tho obviously it is still counted in the mileage). Am I reading this right? (I kind of think I can't be, because then there'd be no point in listing airports considered in the same city because you wouldn't lose anything going overland between any airports? Also, I must admit I don't understand what "A FLIGHT COUPON WITHOUT CONFIRMED SPACE CONSTITUTES A STOPOVER" means... but have a suspicion this might be where I'm slipping up!)
Also, due to somewhat unforthcoming AF and DL agents here, it'd be great if someone could post the economy fare prices for the SKYRTW tickets on here. Also an up to date copy of the rules would be great because what I have from an agent here doesn't list the flight exceptions (which I assume are just the codeshares?) so not sure if there's anything else I'm missing. The latest copy of the rules in this thread still lists CO in there so I assume there's updated versions now.
(Why oh why the SkyTeam website can't just tell us this I don't know... why do I need to "Consult your travel agent or one of our Member airlines" for something which I can download in seconds as a pdf? Ditto the fare prices... are they determined for me not to buy this ticket?
)
If it comes to actually ticketing this, then what are my options? My first flight would probably be to YUL so I can either do that with AF or DL, but I could go the other direction and have my first flight with KQ. Is one carrier definitely advantageous to book with because they don't apply other carriers' surcharges? (As happens with OW.)
If this was ticketed through an agent in the UK what base fare would they charge? (I assume the same fare as here, but converted into GBP at what rate? The rules I have don't seem to say...)
Lastly, the SkyTeam website is still advertising their 10th anniversary "up to 30% off" offer.... which says book by 30th September. Has this been extended or are they just exceedingly lazy when it comes to updating things? Doesn't inspire one to get this ticket with them instead of another alliance!!
Thanks for your help, and sorry if there's a tone of SkyTeam negativity in the post, I just feel I'm asking awfully simple questions that I can normally answer myself in seconds...
I'm looking into a RTW starting in Cairo and am looking at SKYRTWs which I've not investigated before. As many have commented on here they aren't quite as forthcoming with info and ease of planning as the other alliances so this immediately puts me off, but, hey, I'm persisting for a bit
Looking at the fare rules I got from a travel agent here, I've just got a few questions:
It doesn't list ICN and GMP as being "considered as one city" which seems a bit harsh. Is this definitely the case?
All the references in the rules refer to 'stopovers' and not to 'segments' which, I think, contrasts with OW and *A, i.e. on the latter two if I go overland JFK-YUL then they will (annoyingly) count that as one of my sixteen flight segments but my interpretation of the SkyTeam 'stopover' rule is that overland JFK-YUL will be one 'stopover' and thus I won't lose a flight segment if I do that (tho obviously it is still counted in the mileage). Am I reading this right? (I kind of think I can't be, because then there'd be no point in listing airports considered in the same city because you wouldn't lose anything going overland between any airports? Also, I must admit I don't understand what "A FLIGHT COUPON WITHOUT CONFIRMED SPACE CONSTITUTES A STOPOVER" means... but have a suspicion this might be where I'm slipping up!)
Also, due to somewhat unforthcoming AF and DL agents here, it'd be great if someone could post the economy fare prices for the SKYRTW tickets on here. Also an up to date copy of the rules would be great because what I have from an agent here doesn't list the flight exceptions (which I assume are just the codeshares?) so not sure if there's anything else I'm missing. The latest copy of the rules in this thread still lists CO in there so I assume there's updated versions now.
(Why oh why the SkyTeam website can't just tell us this I don't know... why do I need to "Consult your travel agent or one of our Member airlines" for something which I can download in seconds as a pdf? Ditto the fare prices... are they determined for me not to buy this ticket?
)If it comes to actually ticketing this, then what are my options? My first flight would probably be to YUL so I can either do that with AF or DL, but I could go the other direction and have my first flight with KQ. Is one carrier definitely advantageous to book with because they don't apply other carriers' surcharges? (As happens with OW.)
If this was ticketed through an agent in the UK what base fare would they charge? (I assume the same fare as here, but converted into GBP at what rate? The rules I have don't seem to say...)
Lastly, the SkyTeam website is still advertising their 10th anniversary "up to 30% off" offer.... which says book by 30th September. Has this been extended or are they just exceedingly lazy when it comes to updating things? Doesn't inspire one to get this ticket with them instead of another alliance!!
Thanks for your help, and sorry if there's a tone of SkyTeam negativity in the post, I just feel I'm asking awfully simple questions that I can normally answer myself in seconds...
Nov 28, 2010 | 2:10 am
#483
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A fare spreadsheet is posted here if you look for it. Sorry I'm on the run and don't have time to search for it. And did you look at the Skyteam website http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/index.html
Nov 28, 2010 | 3:26 am
#484
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: hopefully somewhere interesting, just moved from CMB to CAI
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Posts: 48
The fare info I could find on FT all predated the posts a few pages back in this forum talking of hikes in the RTW fares. It did however give CAI as the cheapest starting point... hence my interest
The SkyTeam website gives you "General Terms and Conditions of Sale (extract)" and then says "Consult your travel agent or one of our Member airlines"... Why they only put the "extract" up there I don't know. The Cairene agents I've contacted haven't been particularly helpful so hoped one of you guys would be a better source of info!
Thanks.
The SkyTeam website gives you "General Terms and Conditions of Sale (extract)" and then says "Consult your travel agent or one of our Member airlines"... Why they only put the "extract" up there I don't know. The Cairene agents I've contacted haven't been particularly helpful so hoped one of you guys would be a better source of info!
Thanks.
Nov 30, 2010 | 6:38 am
#485
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Derbyshire, UK
Programs: FB Platinum
Posts: 520
China Pass
Hi
A word hopefuly to the wise regarding this product. I looked into this in some detail as I travel around China frequently. I found that it was only under extreme circumstances that this provided any value at all.
Generally internal Chinese flights are available at some discount, have a play with this and you will see:
http://english.ctrip.com/
When you work out your mileages, the prices ST want for the China Pass and generally available fares, the generally available fares are cheaper. Of course there are exceptions (eg. at peak times when there may be no discount or on some strange routings with little competiton) but generally you are better off forgetting the China Pass and buying internal flights directly.
The pricing comparison on the ST website is disingenuous to say the least. Their example of PEK-SHA-CAN-PEK can be bought on several days next week for about $320. Their website says it will cost $1,806. China Pass for the same is $560
nickyboy
A word hopefuly to the wise regarding this product. I looked into this in some detail as I travel around China frequently. I found that it was only under extreme circumstances that this provided any value at all.
Generally internal Chinese flights are available at some discount, have a play with this and you will see:
http://english.ctrip.com/
When you work out your mileages, the prices ST want for the China Pass and generally available fares, the generally available fares are cheaper. Of course there are exceptions (eg. at peak times when there may be no discount or on some strange routings with little competiton) but generally you are better off forgetting the China Pass and buying internal flights directly.
The pricing comparison on the ST website is disingenuous to say the least. Their example of PEK-SHA-CAN-PEK can be bought on several days next week for about $320. Their website says it will cost $1,806. China Pass for the same is $560
nickyboy
Dec 2, 2010 | 6:40 pm
#486
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: GLA
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Posts: 1,825
It is a general thing, which applies to all airlines, that one should be very careful with booking RTW tickets and these passes. It is often cheaper to use standard return/circle/open jaw tickets.
Dec 2, 2010 | 8:50 pm
#487
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Dec 3, 2010 | 8:14 am
#488
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Obviously, it depends on where you want to go. If you want to go from London to Australia and to the US East Coast, say to NYC, WAS, MIA, it's cheaper if you buy two return tickets, for example. Same from London to Australia and to South America, say to RIO, SAO, EZE.
Last edited by cityflyer369; Dec 3, 2010 at 8:19 am
Feb 2, 2011 | 3:36 am
#489
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PDX
Programs: DL
Posts: 56
Yeah, one of the big draws of using RTW fares is that you can go places that otherwise would cost a fortune to get to. This includes places experiencing conflict (think Iraq, Pakistan) or places that are simply out of the way (Easter Island).
I'd love to set myself up to be able to use miles for a trip like this in a few years.
I'd love to set myself up to be able to use miles for a trip like this in a few years.
Feb 2, 2011 | 3:52 am
#490
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Yeah, one of the big draws of using RTW fares is that you can go places that otherwise would cost a fortune to get to. This includes places experiencing conflict (think Iraq, Pakistan) or places that are simply out of the way (Easter Island).
I'd love to set myself up to be able to use miles for a trip like this in a few years.
I'd love to set myself up to be able to use miles for a trip like this in a few years.
Feb 2, 2011 | 4:15 am
#491
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Paris, France
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum
Posts: 198
RTW from LHR is cheaper than from CAI...but not from CMB
[KVS Availability Tool 6.0.7/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/UK]
Code:
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL] LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL] TUE 19 Apr 2011 | MON 09 May 2011 | RTW | Business Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AF LHR LHR 1756 EUR LRTWSKY4 AF LHR LHR 2013 EUR VRTWSKY3 AF LHR LHR 2416 EUR VRTWSKY2 AF LHR LHR 2684 EUR VRTWSKY1 AF LHR LHR 5399 EUR IRTWSKY3 AF LHR LHR 6071 EUR IRTWSKY2 AF LHR LHR 7042 EUR IRTWSKY1 AF LHR LHR 10569 EUR FRTWSKY3 AF LHR LHR 11995 EUR FRTWSKY2 AF LHR LHR 13926 EUR FRTWSKY1
Code:
CAI Cairo Intl EG [HECA] CAI Cairo Intl EG [HECA] TUE 19 Apr 2011 | MON 09 May 2011 | RTW | Economy Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AF CAI CAI 2599 EUR VRTWSKY3 AF CAI CAI 3116 EUR VRTWSKY2 AF CAI CAI 3595 EUR VRTWSKY1 AF CAI CAI 5778 EUR IRTWSKY3 AF CAI CAI 6558 EUR IRTWSKY2 AF CAI CAI 7605 EUR IRTWSKY1 AF CAI CAI 10972 EUR FRTWSKY3 AF CAI CAI 12398 EUR FRTWSKY2 AF CAI CAI 14387 EUR FRTWSKY1
Code:
CMB Colombo Bandaranayake Intl LK [VCBI] CMB Colombo Bandaranayake Intl LK [VCBI] TUE 19 Apr 2011 | MON 09 May 2011 | RTW | Business Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AF CMB CMB 5115 EUR IRTWSKY3 AF CMB CMB 5780 EUR IRTWSKY2 AF CMB CMB 6657 EUR IRTWSKY1
Last edited by leonleonb; Feb 2, 2011 at 4:20 am Reason: CMB
Feb 2, 2011 | 7:27 am
#492
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Feb 3, 2011 | 2:51 am
#493
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Paris, France
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[KVS Availability Tool 6.0.7/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/UK]
Code:
MXP Milan Malpensa IT [LIMC] MXP Milan Malpensa IT [LIMC] TUE 19 Apr 2011 | MON 09 May 2011 | RTW | Business Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AF MXP MXP 6669 EUR IRTWSKY3 AF MXP MXP 7562 EUR IRTWSKY2 AF MXP MXP 8717 EUR IRTWSKY1
Last edited by leonleonb; Feb 3, 2011 at 2:59 am
Feb 3, 2011 | 3:42 am
#495
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Paris, France
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Posts: 198
Below 6000€ for IRTWSKY3: LHR-CPH-IEV-RIX-BEY-TLV
Not so far TUN: 4797€...
[KVS Availability Tool 6.0.7/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/UK]
Not so far TUN: 4797€...
[KVS Availability Tool 6.0.7/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/UK]
Code:
TUN Tunis Carthage TN [DTTA] TUN Tunis Carthage TN [DTTA] TUE 19 Apr 2011 | MON 09 May 2011 | RTW | Business Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AF TUN TUN 4797 EUR IRTWSKY3 AF TUN TUN 5531 EUR IRTWSKY2 AF TUN TUN 6515 EUR IRTWSKY1