Question if anyone can help
I have in April and May the following
QR to HKT (560TPs with old calculation)
AY to AGP (600TPs with old calculation)
and in March the following:
A LHR-DOH-PKX in J outbound and Y in return (3 segments with QR)
Is it worth it taking out my BAEC number since rules changed dramatically now and TP earning from AY and QR will most likely be less than expect and move both to QR?
Thanks

So is anyone better off with this change.

As a self funded Gold I just earned 1120 TP's for about �3k on a BA holiday to Thailand via DOH in J. So instead of getting me about 75% of the way to gold it will now be 15%?

I guess if they do away with the soft landing it will avoid BA having to accommodate demoted golds in the already overcrowded club lounges.

Based on what I'm reading, yes. I didn't think it could be worse than AA, but wow.

you enjoy the pasta, fish cakes and fruit flies alone.

That's Old Mrs MeltingAlf (my mother's) justification for not bothering with SQ and its S$25k spend for PPS Club, since she flies SQ J and those things that come with PPS Club status are standard.

It's a bit laughable if BA thinks that way. If LHR-LAX is served by a VS A350 with a way better ground experience; or even UA with its plush Polaris cabin and access to the Polaris lounge, BA would be silly to think I'll go for their pithy offerings for the same price.

I�m assuming Raffles will be doing this over at HfP but I wonder whether an options appraisal or summary of earning/status thresholds and benefits would be a helpful thread? There will be *lots* of us who spend c�5k to �10k per year per family member looking for a better proposition in terms of FF loyalty�

Alternative will be no loyalty and spend where best prices/service appear. Either way I�m relatively sanguine about the changes as they are so severe they have ruled us out entirely from future Gold status (and made silver appear overpriced) so no hard/borderline decision about whether to push for BA status.

Indeed. My take on this is that most non-UK-based BAEC members /BA fliers who until now had at least the relative ease of earning status (that made connecting in LHR tolerable) to compensate for the inconvenience will now look elsewhere. If I can't get to status with either BA under the new scheme or LH with its traditionally higher-to-reach thresholds the incentive to fly BA on a connection is gone and I might as well go for the most convenient routing. Time will tell.

We are a 2 GCH household and to be honest we have been in two minds whether to bother chasing it again with the poor onboard service and general downgrading of everything they can. This has made our decision really easy now and we will be walking away from BA without a backward glance. There’s much better carriers out there which I fear they will find out with yet another supposed enhancement that apparently the members asked for. Oh well!!

From an AA perspective, I just spoke to a mid-level person on the CK side (not related to this topic but more around an existing booking I have with AA). Speculating - they were saying that these changes will help harmonize the higher tiers across both airlines, with GGL now clearly being seen as a CK-equivalent and Gold equating to EP. At the moment, it’s inconsistent (!)

The changes will take their time working through the system but that’s what they thought was the general direction of travel.

Just one person’s opinion so please take with a pinch of salt, but I thought it was interesting nevertheless how folks across the Atlantic are looking at this.

I'm Silver at the moment and some way off Gold. As far as I can work out from this so far, I would be much closer to Gold. However, what I can't do is find a dirt cheap way to get make the difference as it's directly tied to spend; there need to be significant benefits over and above those tied to tickets to make it worthwhile.

To be honest, they might as well tie Avios directly back into status levels. Simplify everything by having a single currency for status AND redemption

I wouldn't guarantee the F lounge will survive this, certainly not in its current form. It's only, in effect, for GCHs and OWEs, and probably most of the people using it fall into the former category. If this cuts the numbers of Golds from 80,000 to 8,000 - probably not an unrealistic figure - and you then take out those who make the spend requirement by flying F and are therefore in the CCR anyway - how much real estate do you think BA will be prepared to maintain with a handful of people floating around?

And if you don't need all that lounge space, and the number of people using The First Wing is equally reduced, then certainly you don't need to employ all those agents and contracted serving staff that generally make your journey through the airport so much easier.

In short, BA will size what it offers to the reduced requirement. You won't suddenly find lots of space. but your overall experience might well be worse.

Be careful what you wish for.

I�m with you - my 2 LAX J bookings this year are with BA but only because it is half that price from DUB and there was no good fare with VS, otherwise I would have booked with them.

exactly what i was thinking. will the lounges be quieter and they'll bring back better champagne and top shelf spirits? ha!

realistically speaking - is there any chance, BA might make some changes to the new programme due to the overwhelming and obvious feedback from us?

or do you thing this is set in stone?

I�ve been flying SkyTeam (mainly KLM and Air France) where the flights are better timed or priced and especially around Europe and found their FF programme and their onboard, lounge and customer service offering to be decent. Not without issues, but no one is perfect.

I would definitely suggest people look at SkyTeam if planning on leaving BA.