New SAS long haul routes?
Aug 19, 2015, 7:59 am
#76
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It is confirmed from several places now..
The routes are in the ticket systems now and route goes to Miami and Los Angeles from all 3 capitals (CPH/ARN/OSL)
Start up mid marts 2016
Danish news here
The routes are in the ticket systems now and route goes to Miami and Los Angeles from all 3 capitals (CPH/ARN/OSL)
Start up mid marts 2016
Danish news here
Aug 19, 2015, 8:15 am
#78
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Great news about the announcement. LAX from ARN provides double daily California service split between two markets. I'm a little surprised MIA won't be served from ARN and that OSL will be 4w. I was expecting MIA be served from all 3, with 3w to CPH and 2 each to ARN and OSL. Undoubtedly, MIAARN will be launched if the flights are popular.
Aug 19, 2015, 8:23 am
#79
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"SAS will fly to Los Angeles and Miami in 2016 as the European airline makes another move on the US market" - http://www.ausbt.com.au/sas-will-lau...-miami-in-2016
Must admit that I am disappointed. ARN-LAX I can understand. But why wait 12+ months with MIA. Timings on the MIA flights?
Not impressed by this.
Aug 19, 2015, 8:36 am
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Swedish interview with SAS CEO Rickard Gustafsson now released:
http://www.businessclass.se/sas-lanserar-nya-langlinjer-fran-skandinavien-till-los-angeles-och-miami/
Los Angeles was chosen as a United hub and a good mix of business- and leisure passengers. It's also a freight hub. Rickard said that Miami is a leasure destination with a lot of cruise passengers and also a hub for further travel to Caribbean and Latin America. He also said that SAS has seen increased interest from US passengers visiting Scandinavia.
http://www.businessclass.se/sas-lanserar-nya-langlinjer-fran-skandinavien-till-los-angeles-och-miami/
Los Angeles was chosen as a United hub and a good mix of business- and leisure passengers. It's also a freight hub. Rickard said that Miami is a leasure destination with a lot of cruise passengers and also a hub for further travel to Caribbean and Latin America. He also said that SAS has seen increased interest from US passengers visiting Scandinavia.
Aug 19, 2015, 8:36 am
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Aug 19, 2015, 8:41 am
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What's really interesting is if they're planning to amend the HKG and ORD schedule out of ARN.
Now, they've got the following rotations out of ARN:
ARN-EWR-ARN, which works well within 24 hours
ARN-HKG-ARN-ORD-ARN, which is a really risky 48 hour rotation
ARN-LAX-ARN, which takes 25 hours
Are they planning to squeeze LAX into another tight ARN-LAX-ARN-EWR-ARN 48 hour rotation, or are they planning to base five planes in ARN? If the latter, it would make sense to re-time the HKG and ORD flights.
Now, they've got the following rotations out of ARN:
ARN-EWR-ARN, which works well within 24 hours
ARN-HKG-ARN-ORD-ARN, which is a really risky 48 hour rotation
ARN-LAX-ARN, which takes 25 hours
Are they planning to squeeze LAX into another tight ARN-LAX-ARN-EWR-ARN 48 hour rotation, or are they planning to base five planes in ARN? If the latter, it would make sense to re-time the HKG and ORD flights.
Aug 19, 2015, 8:46 am
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Nice to see expanded US service from SK. It seems to be just about the only long-haul market that SK seems to still be willing and able to build out.
Based on where the Swedish and Danish nights are booked for nights in Florida, Miami is only part of the stay picture; and generally Miami accounts for neither all nor most of the nights spent in Florida on trips where Miami is the US POE for CPH-area and ARN-area Scandinavians. Things of course change in substantial ways when it's heavy sea-cruise traffic season in the Americas, but most of the Scandinavians starting cruises in Florida are spending more nights on a boat than in Miami.
Based on where the Swedish and Danish nights are booked for nights in Florida, Miami is only part of the stay picture; and generally Miami accounts for neither all nor most of the nights spent in Florida on trips where Miami is the US POE for CPH-area and ARN-area Scandinavians. Things of course change in substantial ways when it's heavy sea-cruise traffic season in the Americas, but most of the Scandinavians starting cruises in Florida are spending more nights on a boat than in Miami.
Last edited by GUWonder; Aug 19, 2015 at 9:22 am
Aug 19, 2015, 8:50 am
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I love that they launched ARN-LAX, i'll use that to get to SFO instead of transferring in CPH. A 9:50AM departure is amazingly useful. Have a trip to SAN in April where this will come in very handy.
Perfectly happy with OSL-MIA, have no problem transferring in OSL going West.
Being ARN based with most frequent travel to SIN and SFO, having HKG and LAX added as direct destinations is awesome.
Perfectly happy with OSL-MIA, have no problem transferring in OSL going West.
Being ARN based with most frequent travel to SIN and SFO, having HKG and LAX added as direct destinations is awesome.
Aug 19, 2015, 8:57 am
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What's really interesting is if they're planning to amend the HKG and ORD schedule out of ARN.
Now, they've got the following rotations out of ARN:
ARN-EWR-ARN, which works well within 24 hours
ARN-HKG-ARN-ORD-ARN, which is a really risky 48 hour rotation
ARN-LAX-ARN, which takes 25 hours
Are they planning to squeeze LAX into another tight ARN-LAX-ARN-EWR-ARN 48 hour rotation, or are they planning to base five planes in ARN? If the latter, it would make sense to re-time the HKG and ORD flights.
Now, they've got the following rotations out of ARN:
ARN-EWR-ARN, which works well within 24 hours
ARN-HKG-ARN-ORD-ARN, which is a really risky 48 hour rotation
ARN-LAX-ARN, which takes 25 hours
Are they planning to squeeze LAX into another tight ARN-LAX-ARN-EWR-ARN 48 hour rotation, or are they planning to base five planes in ARN? If the latter, it would make sense to re-time the HKG and ORD flights.
Aug 19, 2015, 8:59 am
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What's really interesting is if they're planning to amend the HKG and ORD schedule out of ARN.
Now, they've got the following rotations out of ARN:
ARN-EWR-ARN, which works well within 24 hours
ARN-HKG-ARN-ORD-ARN, which is a really risky 48 hour rotation
ARN-LAX-ARN, which takes 25 hours
Are they planning to squeeze LAX into another tight ARN-LAX-ARN-EWR-ARN 48 hour rotation, or are they planning to base five planes in ARN? If the latter, it would make sense to re-time the HKG and ORD flights.
Now, they've got the following rotations out of ARN:
ARN-EWR-ARN, which works well within 24 hours
ARN-HKG-ARN-ORD-ARN, which is a really risky 48 hour rotation
ARN-LAX-ARN, which takes 25 hours
Are they planning to squeeze LAX into another tight ARN-LAX-ARN-EWR-ARN 48 hour rotation, or are they planning to base five planes in ARN? If the latter, it would make sense to re-time the HKG and ORD flights.
Aug 19, 2015, 9:15 am
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That is where the demand is. I remember quotes from the previous CEO in the Scanorama magazine stating that Scandinavians have no interest in long haul travel. At the same time the Scandinavian capitals exploded with long haul routes from other airlines and SAS nearly went bankrupt. At least they are on the right track and to some extend actually listening to customers. I don't need more destinations in Europe, perhaps increased frequency to some but all the relevant locations are covered. The outstanding requirements of the majority of businesses and travellers are long haul. They've closed two major gaps by filling MIA and LAX.
Aug 19, 2015, 9:26 am
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From the PRelease:
Timetable Stockholm Arlanda – Los Angeles
Daily departures from Arlanda (SK933) at 09.50 arriving in Los Angeles 12.15.
Daily departures from Los Angeles (SK934) at 14.15 arriving at Arlanda 10.00.
Timetable Copenhagen – Miami
Departures Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays from Copenhagen (SK953) 09.30 arriving in Miami 13.50.
Departures Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays from Miami (SK954) 15.50 arriving in Copenhagen 07.10.
Timetable Oslo – Miami
Departures Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays from Oslo(SK955) 09.35 arriving in Miami 13.50.
Departures Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays from Miami (SK956) 15.50 arriving in Oslo 07.05.
Tickets to Los Angeles will go on sale on 20 August and as an opening offer there will be tickets from EUR549. Tickets to Miami will be available later this fall.
New direct routes to USA and Asia 2015/2016
Stockholm – Hong Kong, September 2015
Stockholm – Los Angeles, March 2016
Oslo – Miami, during fall 2016
Copenhagen – Miami, during fall 2016
Increased frequencies on existing long haul flights
In addition to the new routes, SAS is increasing the frequency of its long haul routes starting with the winter program. SAS will then offer daily flights on the following routes:
Copenhagen – Shanghai (two additional departures each week)
Stockholm – Chicago (one additional departure each week)
Stockholm – New York (one additional departure each week)
Oslo – New York (one additional departure each week)
Copenhagen – San Francisco (one additional departure each week)
Daily departures from Arlanda (SK933) at 09.50 arriving in Los Angeles 12.15.
Daily departures from Los Angeles (SK934) at 14.15 arriving at Arlanda 10.00.
Timetable Copenhagen – Miami
Departures Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays from Copenhagen (SK953) 09.30 arriving in Miami 13.50.
Departures Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays from Miami (SK954) 15.50 arriving in Copenhagen 07.10.
Timetable Oslo – Miami
Departures Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays from Oslo(SK955) 09.35 arriving in Miami 13.50.
Departures Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays from Miami (SK956) 15.50 arriving in Oslo 07.05.
Tickets to Los Angeles will go on sale on 20 August and as an opening offer there will be tickets from EUR549. Tickets to Miami will be available later this fall.
New direct routes to USA and Asia 2015/2016
Stockholm – Hong Kong, September 2015
Stockholm – Los Angeles, March 2016
Oslo – Miami, during fall 2016
Copenhagen – Miami, during fall 2016
Increased frequencies on existing long haul flights
In addition to the new routes, SAS is increasing the frequency of its long haul routes starting with the winter program. SAS will then offer daily flights on the following routes:
Copenhagen – Shanghai (two additional departures each week)
Stockholm – Chicago (one additional departure each week)
Stockholm – New York (one additional departure each week)
Oslo – New York (one additional departure each week)
Copenhagen – San Francisco (one additional departure each week)
Aug 19, 2015, 9:27 am
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That is where the demand is. I remember quotes from the previous CEO in the Scanorama magazine stating that Scandinavians have no interest in long haul travel. At the same time the Scandinavian capitals exploded with long haul routes from other airlines and SAS nearly went bankrupt. At least they are on the right track and to some extend actually listening to customers. I don't need more destinations in Europe, perhaps increased frequency to some but all the relevant locations are covered. The outstanding requirements of the majority of businesses and travellers are long haul. They've closed two major gaps by filling MIA and LAX.
SAS is too costly an operator to provide long-haul service to markets that Eastern European and West Asian carriers lick up from Europe and increasingly from the U.S.
Regardless of its cost structure, SAS has the benefit of the major governmental waivers and favors granted to the US3 airlines and the select European airline partners of those US3 airlines. That's why the U.S. expansion is so very predictable with SAS. It's like their last best hope.
Last edited by GUWonder; Aug 19, 2015 at 10:05 am
Aug 19, 2015, 9:30 am
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Oh yes - they are. 2 this fall - 2 in the spring. One for HKG, one for LAX, 1-2 for increased frequencies, and then a freed up bird from 901/902.
I had hoped for more - or earlier.
And why the heck would I want to go to LAX - especially via ARN
I had hoped for more - or earlier.
And why the heck would I want to go to LAX - especially via ARN