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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:48 am
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Summary of key traveller experiences and feedback on this forum since Mid-June
  • Policy statement (link) for the travel industry issued 15th June 2017
  • Refund is always an option, but very varied experiences of how quickly the refund is processed, from a few days to "still waiting". Some experiences of passengers being pressurised into taking refunds when this is not necessary if you can wait.
  • If you want to reroute from a closed destination to another middle east destination still served by QR, you might be able to do this as early as 30 days from 1st sector, although we have had reports of rerouting at 6 weeks out.
  • Where QR have to reroute onto other carriers, long haul reroutes typically onto BA, CX and TK seem to be quoted most often. In the Gulf region ME, KU, WY are quoted most often. Although RJ is a OneWorld carrier and should be a parter for QR, they are not accepting QR rerouted tickets.
  • Status of reservations for travel to affected destinations typically changes to "Unconfirmed" 7 days ahead of travel.
  • If your booking was via a 3rd party or agent you probably can't get Qatar to change the ticket until 72 hours before the first sector. 3rd parties and agents seem to be offering refunds rather than rerouting, although there has been some success if you can show them the QR rebooking policy document.
  • There has been a very mixed bag of reports of how QR are handling rebooking. Some people have no luck getting itineraries changed before 72 hours before departure, but others do. So some good advice is to always be polite but if you don't get what you want, then thank the agent for their time and HUACA (hang up and call again) - preferably after you have had a drink and have calmed down, and maybe calling a different office.

Some specific data points from other travellers:
(but there is a lot more valuable information if you can trawl back through the thread)

#753 CAI-LHR-DOH been offered as alternative for ex-CAI 4 days prior to 1st sector.
#772 KUL-DOH-LXR reroute to CAI and IST refused
#792 AUH-DOH-DPS by QR rebooked to DXB-HKG-DPS by CX
#794 Australia-DOH-HBE rebooked as DOH-BEY on QR on 2nd attempt.
#808 CAI>DOH>BOS>DOH>CAI rebooked to KRT and date change
#818 SYD-DOH-CAI changed to SYD-DOH-KWI-CAI, layovers optimed and +Qatar stopover
#830 and #840 Economy ICN-DOH-DXB rebooked onto CX ICN-HKG-DXB
#849 ex-CAI ininaries changed to ex-AMM but needed to HUACA a few times.
#856 CAI-DOH-BKK changed to FCO-DOH-BKK all on QR
#868 DFW-DOH-HBE changed to DFW-DOH-LCA all on QR 2 weeks out.
#906 Unable to get LXR-DOH-HKG-BNE rerouted until 72 hours prior
#927 CAI-DOH-BKK rebooked onto CAI-BAH-AMM on Gulf DOH-BKK (on QR) and return back to AMM
#966 DXB-DOH (award ticket) was changed to DXB-KWI-DOH on Kuwait+QR 48hrs in advance
#966 DOH-CAI (2 award tickets) were changed to DOH-BEY on QR 48 hours advance
#966 CAI-DOH-MUC (paid business) were changed to BEY-DOH-MUC 72 hours advance
#981 HKT-DOH-DWC (J/F tix) change to HKT-DOH-KWI all on QR 10 days out.
#985 ex-LXR ticket rerouted by OTA as CAI-BEY-DOH outside the 72 hr window
#1004 BKK-DOH-CAI in F rebooked as BKK-DOH-BEY in QR F, BEY-CAI in C on ME
#1005 HEL-DOH-DXB rebooked HEL-DOH-MCT on QR and MCT-DXB on Oman once ticket status went to unconfirmed.
#1057 MAN-DOH-DXB rebooked as MAN-LHR-DXB on BA (had to HUACA 3 times)
#1141 Multiple ex-CAI itineraries CAI-DOK-BKK return in J, CAI-DOH-LHR return in J, CAI-DOH-BKK single in F changed to all be ex-KWI. Had to HUACA 3 times.
#1157 LXR-DOH-NRT booked in January, flight changed to CAI-DOH-NRT
#1172 Rebooked CAI-(F)-DOH(J)-BKK to CAI-(C/ME)-BEY-(F)-DOH-(C)-BKK at 77hrs from departure
#1173 Rebooked at QR office HBE-DOH-DPS to HBE-IST-DOH-DPS on TK/TK/QR and improved timing on DOS-DPS segment

Offical guidance from QR website as of mid July:

Passengers who have purchased their tickets from Qatar Airways have the following options to refund their tickets:

For tickets booked on qatarairways.com, they can:
  1. Go to Refund requests;
  2. They can approach their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  3. They can call the Qatar Airways contact Centre at +974 4022 0072
For tickets booked through a Qatar Airways Office or through the Contact Centre, passengers can
  1. Contact their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  2. Call Qatar Airways Contact Centre on +974 4022 0072
The refund will be made to the original form of payment and the refund will be processed within 14 - 28 days.
Passengers who have purchased their Qatar Airways tickets through a Travel Agency can request their refund from the issuing Travel Agent.
Within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kingdom of Bahrain and Egypt please use: https://refundsapp1.blueivysync.com/...er-refund.html

This is a different web form as the Qatar website is blocked from some of these countries.
For further information and FAQs please visit: http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
What Happened

On the 6th of June flights from Qatar to Bahrain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (and vice versa) were suspended.

This includes all Qatar flights between Doha and Abu Dhabi, Abha, Alexandria–Borg el Arab, Bahrain, Buraydah, Cairo, Dammam, Dubai–Al Maktoum, Dubai–International, Gassim, Hofuf, Jeddah, Luxor, Madinah, Ras Al Khaimah, Riyadh, Sharjah, Tabuk, Ta'if and Yanbu.

Adding to this at 00:00 (UTC) on the 6th of June restrictions were put in place limiting flights to Doha to one particular corridor through the airspace of Bahrain. This has since been relaxed to two specific corridors through Bahrain airspace with a second corridor up the Saudi Arabia the new addition.

All other flights to other Qatar Airways destinations including the Maldives are still operating although some have delays due to the extended time required to avoid restricted airspace.

There are a couple of routes that are having to make fuel stops in Athens or Muscat but this seems to be dependent on the type of aircraft as well.

Details on the Airspace can be found here - https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...ain-and-egypt/

What about my Flights to other destinations?

Flights to Europe, Asia, Pacific and Norte America are operating as per schedule with minimal delays. There is no need to contact QR regarding these services.

Flights between Doha and Souto America are facing delays due to longer times and/or need for a technical stop-over. Flights to GRU and EZE are 2hr to 5hrs longer.

Flight between Doha and Africa/Middle East have longer flights times due to the airspace restrictions. Some routes like Doha to Khartoum have felt the full force of the restrictions with the flight now taking 2hr 30 mins longer than normal.

Qatar has begun to re-time flights to ensure the network continues running smoothly. Changes have been since Monday 12 June 2017, so it is advised to check your flight status and times on the Qatar website.


What about my flight to a suspended destination?

If you are due to fly in the next few days, search for alternative routings and note them down.

24 hours before your scheduled departure time, contact your LOCAL QR office, and ask for their assistance. Advise them that you have found an alternative routing which you would be willing to accept and see if they will book it for you.

If you are due to fly more than 5 days from today, try and relax. Do not panic and please do not call QR as you are blocking the lines for those flying in the next 24 hours. At this stage, Qatar is only offering options to those who are traveling in the next 24 hours.

Currently, people in the thread have suggested that Qatar is rebooking on flights through Muscat, Kuwait, Amman, Istanbul, Mumbai, Beirut, Athens and Tunis.

You can only get a refund if your booking is to one of the destinations listed at the top! (The number of people asking QR on Twitter for a refund of other flights is amazing)

What about other airlines?

Most other carriers in and out of Doha are still operating except for Air Arabia, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Cairo, EgyptAir, Emirates, Etihad, FlyDubai, Rotana Jet and Saudia.

Most other carriers are using the new restricted routes into Doha although provided the aircraft is not registered in Qatar they are allowed to use the Saudi Arabia or Egypt Airspace.

Timeline of Events:


5 June 2017

- UAE, KSA, Bahrain and Egypt withdraw licenses and close airspace
- All MS flights between CAI and DOH was zeroed out
- All GF flights between BAH and DOH closed for sale
- All QR flights between DOH and CAI closed for sale
- All QR staff travel was canceled

6 June 2017

- Airspace Restriction came into effect at 00:00 (UTC)
- All QR flights between DOH and UAE/Bahrain/KSA closed for sale
- QR flights between DOH and MLE still bookable
- QR Charters 3 aircraft from Jeddah to Muscat

7 June 2017
- QR Charters an aircraft from Jeddah to Kuwait

8 June 2017
- Qatar Airways website blocked in the UAE
- Qatar Airways offices in the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain close

11 June 2017
- Second flight corridor added along the Saudi Arabia Coast

13 June 2017
- UAE Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar but they are still not allowing flights between the UAE and Qatar from any operators.
- Egypt Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar. The new rules also allow for non Qatar or Egypt registered aircraft to operate flights between the two countries.

14 June 2017
- Agreement between QR and BA/A3 on reticketing passengers (link below)



Further information:
- QR Travel Alert http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...bile_site=true
- QR FAQs http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
- QR Charter flights arranged from Jeddah KSA to Muscat Oman http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...Muscat-to-Doha
- QR agreement with BA & A3 to reticket their flights http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...r-help-qr.html
- Political background and latest updates: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by rjn21
BA have issued a rebooking guideline to their agents for journeys that can't be completed on QR, due to the blockade. If it's within 72 hours of scheduled departure, BA agents have been told they can rebook a 157 QR ticket (they must be able to read and take control of the 157 coupons so presumably cannot be issued via a TA) onto a route via LHR on BA metal, BA codes, 125 ticket, same cabin, lowest fare class in cabin. So you might be able to get CPH-LHR-DXB on BA. For a QR multi class booking the rules do not specify which cabin you get rebooked into - I would guess the lowest cabin in the original booking.
Hi rjn21, can you clarify: do you mean BA is willing to take over a QR-issued ticket (on 157 stock)? Why would BA do this?
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 11:58 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Hi rjn21, can you clarify: do you mean BA is willing to take over a QR-issued ticket (on 157 stock)? Why would BA do this?
That is what the guidance to agents says.

As to why, I don't know, my assumption would be it's partly connected with the largest individual shareholding in IAG (~20%) being QR and BA and QR have come to an arrangement (at arm's length of course) over the costs involved.

QR and BA already share all revenues and costs (unknown as to the split %) on all flights between LHR and DOH under the JBA on either's metal.
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Old Jun 21, 2017, 1:20 am
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Hi rjn21, can you clarify: do you mean BA is willing to take over a QR-issued ticket (on 157 stock)? Why would BA do this?
More details here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...r-help-qr.html

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Old Jun 21, 2017, 2:50 am
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Just added this to the Wiki above M - seems like a useful detail to include.
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Old Jun 21, 2017, 2:00 pm
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Does anyone know if the Luxor or Cairo ticket offices are still open?
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Old Jun 22, 2017, 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by 3544quebec
Does anyone know if the Luxor or Cairo ticket offices are still open?
Not sure, but I get the Cairo flight moved to BEY. My return is not until mid August so they were able to leave the return to Cairo in order to see how things play out over the summer.
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Old Jun 22, 2017, 8:20 am
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Originally Posted by SullyofDoha
Not sure, but I get the Cairo flight moved to BEY. My return is not until mid August so they were able to leave the return to Cairo in order to see how things play out over the summer.
For my LXR-DOH-HKG-BNE-PER-DOH-LXR in Business Class leaving in 2 weeks and returning in September my Australian based OTA has provided the following details:

Royal Jordinian have terminated their relationship with Qatar therefore the only airline we can reprotect you to is the ME (Middle Eastern Airways)

Qatar has refused to budge on their official release, and will only accommodate you within 72 hours of departure.

I am not sure if you can fly back to Luxor On Qatar

They will protect you on the originally scheduled dates from Cairo return but they wont return you back to Luxor.

The class of travel must remain the same therefore you cannot be upgraded to First Class on any flight. (referring to connecting flights within ME with 2 classes of service)
I'll stick to my view that QR are being extremely unreasonable in their handling of this.
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Old Jun 22, 2017, 8:45 am
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RJ did a very customer-unfriendly move, not that I expect that they had much choice after the calls were made to the royal Jordanian helicopter pilot and then on his behalf. Will QR pursue this termination at the Oneworld level?

RJ being booted out of Oneworld for not being in solidarity with its alliance partner? It would have a ring to it.
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Old Jun 22, 2017, 11:07 am
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Due to fly DWC-DOH-MAN with 3 other pax on an award ticket on July 12th, returning August 8th.

Stopped off at the QR ticket desk in MAD last week while on another journey. QR ticketing staff there very helpfully changed the tickets to DXB-IST-MAN with THY at no charge.

Apparently Privilege Club Platinums are not included in the 72 hour rule.
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wfmk your 'good luck' has nothing to do with your status but everything to do with MAD ignoring the virtually direct orders from DOH about the 72 hour rule.
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Old Jun 22, 2017, 6:49 pm
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Originally Posted by wfmk
Stopped off at the QR ticket desk in MAD last week while on another journey. QR ticketing staff there very helpfully changed the tickets to DXB-IST-MAN with THY at no charge.

Apparently Privilege Club Platinums are not included in the 72 hour rule.
Originally Posted by remdk
wfmk your 'good luck' has nothing to do with your status but everything to do with MAD ignoring the virtually direct orders from DOH about the 72 hour rule.
IME rules are bent/broken all the time for QR PLTs, has happened to me on a number of occasions (I wrote up the most recent example somewhere in the QR forum on FT, but can't remember the specific thread). It's one of the things I like about QR, -- it understands how to take care of its best customers. I commute between BOS and UTH in J, now exclusively on QR because of 1) hard product, 2) soft product, 3) the way that I'm cared for as a PLT customer, and 4) pricing. I used to be with AA; but it just cannot come close to what QR offers me. Additionally, I start a QR-heavy DONE4 in less than a week; and I'm crediting the whole thing to QR.

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Old Jun 23, 2017, 1:35 am
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Update on the situation.

for those that don't know I bought a pre Egyptian pound business class fare from Cairo to Bangkok so didn't want to cancel. After advice from here and from qatar airways support I waited until yesterday, 72 hours out, to call and rebook my ticket due to the Egyptian pound flotation. The man on the phone couldn't have been more helpful and has ironically put me on gulf air from Cairo to Bahrain, before Bahrain to Amman also on gulf air, both in business, then Amman to Doha and Doha to Bangkok both on qr metal. When I presented him with other options he said that royal Jordanian aren't helping and cancelling tickets booked my qatar which seemed strange for a one world partner. On the way home they have done a more simple Doha to Bangkok and Bangkok to Amman, but couldn't find a ticket for me from Amman to Cairo so I offered to do this at my own expense as I don't want to be hold when enjoying Thailand. As a thank you for the nice gesture he upgraded me from business to first on the way home and I used 9000 avios for a one way ticket between Amman and Cairo. Very happy with the outcome and very impressed with their customer service team yesterday I have to say. The only worry is that my connections in Bahrain and Amman are 45 minutes each and so I hope that gulf air will check my bags right through or I'll never make that! Good luck to all trying to sort their flights out there do seem to be contingency plans in place!
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Old Jun 23, 2017, 1:59 am
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The only worry is that my connections in Bahrain and Amman are 45 minutes each and so I hope that gulf air will check my bags right through or I'll never make that!
Gulf Air remain the only airline over a lot of years flying that managed to lose my luggage - hopefully they have their act together with those short connections!
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Old Jun 23, 2017, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by remdk
wfmk your 'good luck' has nothing to do with your status but everything to do with MAD ignoring the virtually direct orders from DOH about the 72 hour rule.
Luck or otherwise, this flexibility will be repaid with my continued loyalty.
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Old Jun 23, 2017, 3:14 am
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Originally Posted by Davehereford
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for those that don't know I bought a pre Egyptian pound business class fare
Ahhh , the good old days when you could pay for your airline tickets with bags of grain.
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