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7/19: Electronics ban over! Saudia lifts ban.
https://twitter.com/Saudi_Airlines/status/887588098464415744/photo/1
7/12: Royal Air Maroc lifts ban starting 7/13.
https://twitter.com/RAM_Maroc/status/885068591909011459/photo/1
EgyptAir ban also lifted.
https://twitter.com/EGYPTAIR/status/885052169233330176/photo/1
7/9: Royal Jordanian & Kuwait Airways lift ban.
https://twitter.com/RoyalJordanian/status/884063505397288960/photo/1
https://twitter.com/KuwaitAirways/status/884080142913593344
7/5: Emirates & Qatar lifts ban.
https://www.emirates.com/us/english/help/travel-updates.aspx#/#4086177
http://www.qatarairways.com/us/en/travel-alerts.page?CID=AFALL0204026300000000000
7/4: Turkish lifts electronics ban.
https://twitter.com/TurkishAirlines/status/882343356143161344/
7/2: Etihad lifts electronics ban.
http://www.etihad.com/en/announcements/usa-flights-electronic-device-ban/

6/28: "DHS said the 10 airports where US-bound passengers are currently required to place large PEDs in checked baggage—the so-called laptop ban—can have those PED restrictions lifted if the airports comply with the enhanced security measures being required by the US."

Source: http://atwonline.com/security/all-us...y-requirements

As per mods: No political talk! Political discussions are permitted over in Omni-PR linked below.

Real life experiences with the ban:
Emirates 1
Qatar 1

Official info from U.S. DHS.
Source: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/03/21/...rture-airports

Quote:

The aviation security enhancements will include requiring that all personal electronic devices larger than a cell phone or smart phone be placed in checked baggage at 10 airports where flights are departing for the United States.

These enhancements apply to 10 specific airports. The affected overseas airports are: Queen Alia International Airport (AMM), Cairo International Airport (CAI), Ataturk International Airport (IST), King Abdul-Aziz International Airport (JED), King Khalid International Airport (RUH), Kuwait International Airport (KWI), Mohammed V Airport (CMN), Hamad International Airport (DOH), Dubai International Airport (DXB), and Abu Dhabi International Airport (AUH).

There is no impact on domestic flights in the United States or flights departing the United States. Electronic devices will continue to be allowed on all flights originating in the United States.

Emirates passengers flying to US directly from Dubai:
Source: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-introduces-laptop-and-tablet-handling-service-for-us-flights

Quote:

Emirates customers travelling to the US via Dubai will be able to utilise their laptops and tablet devices on the first part of their journeys, and also during transit in Dubai. They must then declare and hand over their laptops, tablets, and other banned electronic devices to security staff at the gate just before boarding their US-bound flight. The devices will be carefully packed into boxes, loaded into the aircraft hold, and returned to the customer at their US destination. There will not be any charge for this service.

Passengers on US-bound flights starting their journeys in Dubai are encouraged to pack their electronic devices into their check-in luggage in the first instance, to avoid delays.

Customers should be aware that there will be a detailed search of all hand baggage on non-stop flights to the US from Dubai. They should therefore declare their devices before the search, or ensure their electronic devices are packed into their check-in luggage in the first instance.

Other threads on this topic:
Thread on this subject in TSS-Debate Forum

Thread on this subject in Omni-PR

Thread on similar UK ban, in TSS-Practical forum

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Mar 20, 2017, 8:29 pm

#31

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Originally Posted by GUWonder

The RJ Montreal thing is perhaps due to YUL-DTW?

Most probably correct as AMM-DTW pax do not deplane further than a sealed gate area at YUL for cabin grooming and are not re-screened by CATSA before re-boarding for the YUL-DTW sector.

Mar 20, 2017, 9:29 pm

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Are there any cheap, disposable laptops for say <$100 that you could check? If such a laptop would be lost, it at least is not a big deal.

Mar 20, 2017, 9:31 pm

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AP is reporting an indefinite ban from 10 airport, 9 countries, from cabin baggage.

Anything larger than a mobile phone is banned the BBC is reporting.

Mar 20, 2017, 10:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Dieuwer

Are there any cheap, disposable laptops for say <$100 that you could check? If such a laptop would be lost, it at least is not a big deal.

Walmart Has an ACER Aspire ES1 for $229. https://tinyurl.com/WMLaptopTSA

Mar 21, 2017, 12:18 am

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Originally Posted by Global321

US carriers are exempt. (Source: CNN)

To be precise, the CNN report says:

"An aviation official said U.S. carriers are not affected because none flies directly from the countries in question to the United States."

Mar 21, 2017, 1:43 am

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Originally Posted by STBCypriot

Which 13 countries? Can't see a list of countries anywhere.

And wait a minute....aren't lithium batteries banned from checked luggage? But don't tablets and cameras have lithium batteries?

These 10 are on the list, every Muslim majority city with flights to the US, <deleted>.

Casablanca-Cairo-Istanbul-Amman-Kuwait City-Riyadh-Jeddah-Abu Dhabi-Dubai-Doha.

The remaining 3 are DL subsaharan destinations (DKR-ACC-LOS).

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Mar 21, 2017, 1:55 am

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Originally Posted by pushmyredbutton

It's not like the US carrier will have different security personnel manning those flights;

From my own experiences through ACC and NBO, US / EU airlines may have additional screening at the gate.

Example: to board a BA flight at NBO, I was screened four times - once to enter the terminal (airport), once to enter the departure lounges (airport), and twice to enter the gate (BA).

However, that being said, if this move was about security, a more pragmatic approach would be to require additional at-gate screening for all US flights.

Mar 21, 2017, 1:56 am

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Have not seen an update yet - airlines were to be notified 49 minutes ago.

If you are flying XXX-10 banned airports-USA, you could be heading to the airport soon and stopped half way back and need to check your electronics. The checkpoints to the USA are going to be a crazy mess with connecting passengers.

Mar 21, 2017, 2:03 am

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Originally Posted by redadeco

I haven't seen any news source reporting that Dakar, Accra or Lagos are included in the restrictions, although it is clear absolutely no one has any idea what is going on including the government and airlines involved.

From what has been reported so far, it is only the first 10 cities, none of which have direct routes that are served by US airlines. That alone raises some red flags with me, as if someone was wanting to help out US/western airlines by restricting the competition.

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Mar 21, 2017, 2:08 am

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Originally Posted by Global321

Reuters did give an update... which was basically nothing new, except...

The new rule is expected to be announced Tuesday by the Department of Homeland Security. (I assume Tuesday morning USA time.)

The White House declined to comment.

A spokesman for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, David Lapan, said the agency has "no comment on potential security precautions" and would provide an update when appropriate.

So no specifics except it is going to happen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN16R2JN

Mar 21, 2017, 2:35 am

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Had a friend just depart from Dubai on Emirates to Chicago a few hours ago. No ban and no questions asked when she boarded about her lap top in her carry on. She was on transit from Kuala Lumpur and was in Dubai on a 5 hour transit.

Mar 21, 2017, 2:43 am

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Originally Posted by chucko

Where in the Times? I haven't found a single article on the subject on their Web site.

Here are a few. There are more.

Article 1. Article 2. Article 3.

Mar 21, 2017, 2:55 am

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Originally Posted by redadeco

The State Department has some officials claiming that DKR, ACC and LOS are not on the list of countries to be approached about clarifying this. So far it seems these are the 8 countries: Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the UAE.

DHS Secretary has been reported to have informed Congress about this over the weekend.

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Mar 21, 2017, 3:29 am

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The Washington Post is now reporting the electronics restrictions apply to nine airlines serving the 10 departure cities already reported:

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A U.S. official told The Associated Press the ban will apply to nonstop flights to the U.S. from 10 international airports serving the cities of Cairo in Egypt; Amman in Jordan; Kuwait City in Kuwait; Casablanca in Morocco; Doha in Qatar; Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Istanbul in Turkey; and Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. The ban was indefinite, said the official.

A second U.S. official said the ban will affect nine airlines in total, and the Transportation Security Administration were to inform the affected airlines early Tuesday.

The article also stated the ban goes into effect Wednesday.

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Mar 21, 2017, 3:57 am

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The BBC is carrying this story as it's main headlone now:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39333424