n4zhg

"Only terrorists hide behind the Constitution."

It's called "shot while resisting arrest". I saw several felonies in that recording. The victim could very well justify a citizen's arrest of the airport cop.

planedude86

I wish SgtScott31 were still here. I'd love to read his excuse. He's still active on Officer.com, where his opinions are parroted by others. In reviewing his posts on this forum, it seems that he, in a supervisory capacity, may have fostered the environment allowing this incident to happen.

Mabuk dan gila

If I were to think up a list of countries in the world that commonly employ strong arm tactics against photographing day to day government administrative type activities it would not be a list of countries that are considered free and democratic by just about anyone. Last year during the hight of the H1N1 hysteria I saw Chinese police pull a man aside for couple of fairly innocuous cell phone snapshots he took of Chinese quarantine agents in hazmat suits taking passengers temperatures upon our arrival on the CZ nonstop LAX-CAN. I can't see how the actions of the TSA are the least bit different than the communist Chinese government on the photography issue. Places like North Korea are of course notorious for restrictions on photography of government activity. Filming government activities in Iran is not allowed. Great company TSA keeps. Basically, when any government feels strong arm tactics are necessary to prevent filming their activities it's because they know they are doing something wrong and don't want to be exposed. You would think the TSA would welcome hundreds of videos of them courteously doing a great job making the public safe. Only problem is since that's not what they are doing, it's not what the videos depict.

Safety0699

Here is the offical TSA wording: TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping or filming at security checkpoints, as long as the screening process is not interfered with or slowed down. We do ask you to not film or take pictures of the monitors. While the TSA does not prohibit photographs at screening locations, local laws, state statutes, or local ordinances might.

Taking photographs may also prompt airport police or a TSA official to ask what your purpose is. It is recommended that you use the Talk To TSA program on tsa.gov to contact the Customer Support Manager at the airport to determine its specific policy. Or, if you are a member of the press, you should contact the TSA Office of Public Affairs.

This is from the Nashville Airport Website: http://www.flynashville.com/newsroom...pplication.pdf
Security
� Follow police, airport or airline personnel instruction in all areas and at all times.
� No vehicle can be left unattended within 300 feet of the building.
� While filming at the airport, applicants must take special care not to leave any equipment or baggage unattended at any time.
� Filming is not allowed within 50 feet of the entry to the security checkpoints, nor is filming allowed past the security checkpoints or in any secure areas of the airport terminal without security escort.
� At no time, is any equipment or set-up for film/photography allowed in any areas that could obstruct passenger walkways or aviation travel.

Looks like the officer was following his training for the airport, he's not a TSA employee and why would you want to have video of you being searched on YouTube?
What reason does anyone have to film and provide security procedures to others by posting them on the net. At the end of the video clip the subject, whose face is never shown states that the video is for personal use and wont be put on TV. This incident being on YouTube shows that his moral fiber is questionable.

ga_girl

Oh, come on now. That PDF, if you read it, is for commercial film/photography. In no way does it cover an individual taking video. If it did, the bolded section could be interpreted to allow police to prohibit teenagers from videoing their friends while waiting at a gate. Is that really going to happen?

Boggie Dog

Why would TSA or airport officials be concerned of pictures taken at a checkpoint if they are not doing anything wrong?

ND Sol

I think that I may be responsible for his lack of presence. He suggested that I talk to counsel for BNA, which I did. After that, he no longer posted.

Safety0699

Once again, everyone is worried about me me me. and not the bigger picture. If and WHEN these videos are posted on the WWW (World Wide Web) it provides intel for those that WANT to do us harm. If any of you ever listened to your parents, grandparents, etc. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The gate is not the screening checkpoint. I have no problems with filming, but the procedurs should not be easily obtained and posted. When the US goes to the Safest Airport Security standards that are held in Israel, then the grumbling will really start. Or better yet, lets do away with the TSA and airport police. Move all those people to Aircraft Rescue and Search and recovery positions. Because we will need more of them to pick up the pieces.

PhoenixRev

Oh, please.

I don't need a video of a checkpoint or the NoS to tell you exactly the layout of the security area. I have traveled it enough times at PHX T4 that I can tell you exactly what it is like.

C Gates - Exit from airside to the left. Entrance to airside to the right. As you enter the stanchions, there are five switchbacks before getting to the TDC area. Arriving at the TDC area, there are two podiums in the center and a table and chair to the right (for a third TCD when it gets busy). After clearing TDC, there are four security options: one to the left, two in the center, and one to the right (rarely open when I am there). Left side is always the shortest line. WTMD set up between each two locations. Three NoS set up but roped off (have been for some time). Proceeding through the screening, a supervisors station is just on the other side of the scanners and WTMD. After gathering your things, you proceed to your left. Directly in front of you is a bench and directly past that is a Phoenix PD station. To your right is a TSA desk usually staffed by two or more TSA people. You veer slightly to your right and you reach a crossroads. You can go left to the higher C gates, go straight to the lower C gates or go right to the D gates. Going to the lower C gates, you pass the restrooms, a CPK, and a shoe shine station to your left and the WN Customer Service desk to your right.

I could go on and give you exact details of where the soda fountains are at the mini-food court just before gate C7 if you wish.

That is from memory and I could walk that route and tell you everything about it in my sleep.

Terrorists having a video of what I just described is not going to increase risk.

KwintSommer

Damn kids. Whining "my rights this" and "my rights that." It's nothing but "me" "me" "me." When will you grow up and learn the importance of sacrificing those rights to the government so they can protect you? Don't you understand that every bit of freedom you sell buys you that much more safety? Come now, remember how your parents protected you at the cost of your autonomy? Now the nanny-state will do the same. Submit to it!

JoeBas

If they're not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to hide. Right?

Right?

Bearcat06

A. Sgt Scott says "Hi" Just talked to him.....

B. He said that he stopped posting here because he was tired of persons like you contacting BNA when you didn't agree with what he was posting......and was tired of dealing talking to folks about it....

C. He didn't have any issues (as in getting into trouble or jammed up for what he was posting) because of you or anyone else.....he just got tired of dealing with it and has opted not to post here..... I wonder how you would feel if you came to work and someone was trying to bust you nuts about what you posted online......

D. He said that he was thrilled to hear that some of you were keeping up with his postings elsewhere on the web......

SgtScott31

If you still monitor my posts on o.com, why not send a message and ask? Ah, better to insult me here.

To be quick and to the point, TSA's policy at one point did prohibit photography/video of the actual screening process. BNA PD was called to the checkpoint quite often for just that purpose. I personally believe there was a communication breakdown between them and us because several officers were unaware that the policy had changed. From speaking with other LEOs at different airports, there are still issues with photography of the screening process, so I'm assuming the change in the photography policy has not made it system wide with TSA, which you should know is not surprising. Keeping everything on one page across hundreds of airports has always been a problem with TSA since its inception.

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I'm glad you had a chat with Bob. I guess you found out that BNA does have its own legal department. I'm surprised you took the time out of your busy FT schedule to email him all of the posts between you and I concerning photography at the airport and/or the legal department issue. I hope he was able to answer any questions you might have had.

My opinion of aviation security varies vastly against the bulk of posters here, so I found it pointless (and irritating) to keep repeating the same argument when neither side is going to budge on the issue(s). On a side note, with a full-time job, law school, and kids, I am limited to the amount of forums I can browse through and feel I have much more to contribute to the law enforcement and/or EMS-related forums. Here I simply argued till I was blue in the keyboard (so to speak), which is not very productive. So why keep posting?

If any of you have a specific question relating to TN law or BNA, I will be happy to answer you through a PM at o.com or email @ [email protected]

Bearcat06

For what....? A little re-training on what's going on at that Airport and a verbal counseling for not being up to speed on current policy is what I would do to my folks when I was a supervisory LEO at MCI.......

Sooooo.....your advocating killing a LEO because he's trying to arrest you for a charge you think is unlawful.....? Try it sometime slick.... bet not only do you get your butt handed to you....but you will end up going to jail for a long, long time.....

Futher, if I fell you are trying to kill me instead of just resist the arrest, I can (and would) upgrade my options and use deadly force on you if I fear for my life.....

All over an iPhone......

Safety0699

Its a shame that most people think that 'If its on TV, it must be true' People, an officer dosent need a warrant to arrest, if an officer takes your property for evidence, and returns it to you, it was never confiscated. And the basic rule of courts is, No Harm, No Foul. Study your law codes before you decide to argue with an officer and put yourself in more trouble. If somethin is wrong and you work your way up the chain of command AFTER the incident. The situtation will be corrected. Believe it or not, most officers are doing a job that is directed by others, usually politicians, that no one else wants to do OR they did something STUPID in their past and cant be hired as an officer.

LOL, go Scott, bunch of Monday Morning QBs. Wonder how many of these have worked in Public Service with rules dictated by others? Or just cry a lot?