Fun with TSOs
#121
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Are you qualified to distinguish between OTC nutritional supplements and narcotics? For that matter, even if it is a narcotic, are you able to mind read and determine that the holder does not have a current prescription for said items and obtained it through illicit means?
#122
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Would you care to show me the law that requires this of TSO's when conducting an administrative search? I'll help you out - it doesn't exist.
If you really believe this to be a requirement, what are the legal adverse consequences for failing to report something illegal? There are none and, as such, a duty to report does not exist. Let me know of one TSO that has been reprimanded for failing to report a non-WEI illegal item. If that has happened, then not only does that TSO have a valid grievance, but a defense attorney would relish that as Exhibit A in defending his client who was found with a non-WEI illegal item in an administrative search.
But how can you know they are drugs if you have had no training in detecting drugs? Based on the SOP, you should never report a substance to an LEO since you are not 100% sure it is an illegal drug.
Don't you think that if Congress and the President thought it was so important for you to find child pornography and illegal drugs, they would have authorized you to so? Instead, we have to go with the illusion of searching only for WEI so that when you come across something non-WEI illegal, it can be seized and the owner prosecuted.
If you really believe this to be a requirement, what are the legal adverse consequences for failing to report something illegal? There are none and, as such, a duty to report does not exist. Let me know of one TSO that has been reprimanded for failing to report a non-WEI illegal item. If that has happened, then not only does that TSO have a valid grievance, but a defense attorney would relish that as Exhibit A in defending his client who was found with a non-WEI illegal item in an administrative search.
But how can you know they are drugs if you have had no training in detecting drugs? Based on the SOP, you should never report a substance to an LEO since you are not 100% sure it is an illegal drug.
Don't you think that if Congress and the President thought it was so important for you to find child pornography and illegal drugs, they would have authorized you to so? Instead, we have to go with the illusion of searching only for WEI so that when you come across something non-WEI illegal, it can be seized and the owner prosecuted.
I originally told TK something, and I was questioned by other regarding what I said. I answered, was asked more questions and given comments. I answered those, and so on, and here we are.
Now as to what you said: i never said there was a law requiring us to report items other than sop. But I do not want to get into an argument about due diligence. I will stop reporting obviously illegal items found (which is such a seldom event for the individual tso) when someone shows me I am not allowed to do so. Some here can not seem to recognize the difference between looking for something, and reporting what is obviously in front of you.
About your question about identifying drugs: you assume alot about me, without knowing me. TSA does not train us to identify drugs; but why assume anything else about me, my personal life, history and so on? I honestly mean no disrespect when I say this; honestly.
If you really want a discussion on these topics you asked, pm me. Other than that I wish TK the best I his trip! I hope he get the response he wants - which of course we all know is to have tso's do their job responsibly.
#123
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 1,439
When you see something that seems obvious to you to be a weapon, you're supposed to react exactly the same way as if you saw something that seemed obvious to you to be drugs, aren't you?
#124
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,444
Take a pill bottle with a fake label on it saying nitroglycerin, full of explosive warnings, skull and crossbones. Take it out of the bag and hand it very slowly and carefully to the officer for hand screening, and warn him it is a medical necessity and cannot be shaken around.
#125
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Florida
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If that is really a law, and the container must be labeled in the American way (with the name of the patient), foreigners are in trouble. They do not sell drugs that way in the rest of the world. Pills are sold in their original, factory issued, packaging, without any label with the patients name. The American way is actually much easier to fool around with, since checking if the pills actually are what is on the container is not easy. On the other hand, pills in blisters are harder to swap around.
Take a pill bottle with a fake label on it saying nitroglycerin, full of explosive warnings, skull and crossbones. Take it out of the bag and hand it very slowly and carefully to the officer for hand screening, and warn him it is a medical necessity and cannot be shaken around.
Take a pill bottle with a fake label on it saying nitroglycerin, full of explosive warnings, skull and crossbones. Take it out of the bag and hand it very slowly and carefully to the officer for hand screening, and warn him it is a medical necessity and cannot be shaken around.
#126
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Now if TSA wants to play doctor let em at it. When we get to court the TSA employees involved will have to explain under oath what WEI comes in pill form.
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#128
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: USA
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#129
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 252
With the scissors remaining, it still does 80% of what it used to, and if you're used to carrying a little pocket knife, 80% is a heck of a lot better than nothing.
#130
Join Date: Nov 2009
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Returning to the original topic of the thread:
Bring along one of these and "accidentally" activate it at appropriate moments throughout the screening process.
Bring along one of these and "accidentally" activate it at appropriate moments throughout the screening process.
#131
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ontario
Posts: 92
After removing your shoes, slowly and diligently spray the floor in front of you with disinfectant (3 oz bottle only) until you get to the point where you can put your shoes back on.
Or, wear flip flops, remove them, and loudly warn all passengers behind you to watch where they are walking as your friends call you 'Cauliflower Foot' because of all the warts and athlete's foot.
OK, I've just grossed myself out.
Or, wear flip flops, remove them, and loudly warn all passengers behind you to watch where they are walking as your friends call you 'Cauliflower Foot' because of all the warts and athlete's foot.
OK, I've just grossed myself out.
#132
Join Date: Jan 2010
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#133
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Returning to the original topic of the thread:
Bring along one of these and "accidentally" activate it at appropriate moments throughout the screening process.
Bring along one of these and "accidentally" activate it at appropriate moments throughout the screening process.
#134
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