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Old Feb 7, 2010 | 11:45 am
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Originally Posted by TSORon
Try wearing these through the checkpoint. Tell them that they are orthopedic (sp) and you cant take them off.
OMG Evil Clown Shoes ^^^ That is great!!!

BTW you spelled "orthopedic" correctly. I suck at spelling so I like using Firefox as it has a built in spell checker.
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 8:51 pm
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Trollkiller, you should try your shirt as a hoodie:

I had a hooded sweatshirt on last year at IAD. The screener ordered me (yes -- ordered me) to take it off. Since I didn't have a shirt on underneath it, I repeated to him, "Did I hear you order me to take off my sweatshirt?" When he replied in the affirmative, off it came to reveal a bare-chested 50+ guy. I'm a marathon runner, so there's not much body fat on top, so, no embarrassment on my part. He never asked me if I had anything on underneath.

You would have thought I rushed the checkpoint with an M-60 machine gun! The moat dragon was literally yelling at me at the top of his lungs demanding to know why I took off my sweatshirt. "Because you ordered me to..." was my reply. To make a long story short, the screener became downright belligerent towards me to the point of trash-talking. I had a long discussion with the supervisor and the screening manager. The end result was one less screener on the payroll. (Trust me -- I know that for a fact.)


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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 1:00 pm
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Well I am all bummed, my brother wants to trailer the van to me so they can see the baby. What is that saying about the best laid plans?
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Well I am all bummed, my brother wants to trailer the van to me so they can see the baby. What is that saying about the best laid plans?
Yeah, we knew you didn't have the stones.

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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 5:28 pm
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Originally Posted by pmocek
West, could you please elaborate on that? In particular, I'd like to know if in this context, your use of "provoke" includes illegal activity or activity likely to endanger other people, and if not, I'd like to know what sort of troubles you believe the likely outcome of such provocation would be.
Some of the ideas I have seen posted here would result in LEO referrals, and possible arrest. I was merely indicating that having a little fun with the TSOs can quickly become an "oh sh**" minute with the wrong outcome. His intention is to poke some fun, and get a bit of a rise out of the TSOs that are there, not go to jail as a martyr. Some of the stuff (dressing like a woman, wearing the fun shirts, the cutout of the word gun, mundane things of that nature) will get a smirk from most of the TSOs, maybe even a laugh and a pic opportunity (and I want one of those cards dang it TK) and the encounter card. Some of the other things I have seen here, can generate tons of negative responses due to the fact that they are borderline interfering with screening, and some are just downright illegal (such as the annoy o trons, while funny, to the point of outright hilarity, it is still concealing an electronic device in the checkpoint area and would result in at least a bit of discussion with the LEOs). I like TK and don't want to see something he intended as a joke or social commentary to get him in a jail cell in front of his kids. Just my suggestion, take it for what you want to Phil.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Well I am all bummed, my brother wants to trailer the van to me so they can see the baby. What is that saying about the best laid plans?
That they are not at all effected despite the efforts of the TSA.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 6:13 pm
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Given what just happened in Philadelphia, maybe you should make up some Arabic/English flash cards and flip through them while in line. See how many TSOs are slow learners.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by gsoltso
Some of the ideas I have seen posted here would result in LEO referrals, and possible arrest. I was merely indicating that having a little fun with the TSOs can quickly become an "oh sh**" minute with the wrong outcome. His intention is to poke some fun, and get a bit of a rise out of the TSOs that are there, not go to jail as a martyr. Some of the stuff (dressing like a woman, wearing the fun shirts, the cutout of the word gun, mundane things of that nature) will get a smirk from most of the TSOs, maybe even a laugh and a pic opportunity (and I want one of those cards dang it TK) and the encounter card. Some of the other things I have seen here, can generate tons of negative responses due to the fact that they are borderline interfering with screening, and some are just downright illegal (such as the annoy o trons, while funny, to the point of outright hilarity, it is still concealing an electronic device in the checkpoint area and would result in at least a bit of discussion with the LEOs). I like TK and don't want to see something he intended as a joke or social commentary to get him in a jail cell in front of his kids. Just my suggestion, take it for what you want to Phil.
If I got tossed in jail in front of my kids for jacking with the TSA they would just say "I told you so". Then after the initial jab they would rally behind me.

I would hope that most here would think I would be smarter than to break any law. If they want to trump a charge they will have to stretch to get it. (helps having family in law enforcement)

I did not take what you said as a chilling warning, I took it more as a be careful, have fun warning.
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Old Feb 11, 2010 | 10:05 pm
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Would my idea of a printout of the secret leaked screening procedure have gotten TK into that kind of legal touble?
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by gsoltso
Some of the ideas I have seen posted here would result in LEO referrals, and possible arrest. I was merely indicating that having a little fun with the TSOs can quickly become an "oh sh**" minute with the wrong outcome. His intention is to poke some fun, and get a bit of a rise out of the TSOs that are there, not go to jail as a martyr. Some of the stuff (dressing like a woman, wearing the fun shirts, the cutout of the word gun, mundane things of that nature) will get a smirk from most of the TSOs, maybe even a laugh and a pic opportunity (and I want one of those cards dang it TK) and the encounter card. Some of the other things I have seen here, can generate tons of negative responses due to the fact that they are borderline interfering with screening, and some are just downright illegal (such as the annoy o trons, while funny, to the point of outright hilarity, it is still concealing an electronic device in the checkpoint area and would result in at least a bit of discussion with the LEOs).
You didn't answer my questions. Could you please do so?

I'm really trying to get at whether you think doing something perfectly legal is likely to have negative repurcussions, particularly negative repurcussions such as jail time. In your response, you mentioned "borderline interfering with screening" and suggested that such activity could "generate tons of negative responses". Could you be more specific about the negative responses that could come from something that does not constitute interference with screening? Also, you said that some of the suggestions here are for unlawful activity. Which ones? You started to present the annoy-o-trons idea as illegal, then you wrote that this is concelaing an electronic device (is that unlawful? I conceal about a dozen electronic devices every time I fly.), then you said it would result in at least a bit of discussion with law enforcement officers. If it's illegal, wouldn't it almost certainly result in arrest and charges of performing some illegal activity?
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by mikeef
We've had a number of helpful TSOs post on this forum over the years.
Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Dean in the past several months? I've not seen him post here or on the TSA blog for quite some time. I PM'd him here a couple weeks ago, but have received no response.
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
If I got tossed in jail in front of my kids for jacking with the TSA they would just say "I told you so". Then after the initial jab they would rally behind me.

I would hope that most here would think I would be smarter than to break any law. If they want to trump a charge they will have to stretch to get it. (helps having family in law enforcement)

I did not take what you said as a chilling warning, I took it more as a be careful, have fun warning.
That is exactly what it was intended as. I understand that you are smarter than the average TrollKiller (as most of them are simply point and push sword slingers). Making a statement is a fundamental part of our society, and I would never begrudge you that. Poking fun at an agency is the nature of the biz. The ones that overstep their boundaries should not be there in the first place. I hope you would never be chilled by something I say, unless it was something like "the monster is standing right behind you, don't look, in the movies that is what triggers all of us dying, just stand there and we will back out of the door slowly while you hold him up..."
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 11:31 am
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Originally Posted by Ayn R Key
Would my idea of a printout of the secret leaked screening procedure have gotten TK into that kind of legal touble?
Not to my knowledge. It is posted on the internet and that particular SOP is outdated. I am just a frontliner though, so that may be a better question for him to send to Bob.
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by pmocek
Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Dean in the past several months? I've not seen him post here or on the TSA blog for quite some time. I PM'd him here a couple weeks ago, but have received no response.
Unfortunately, they tend to come and go. Remember Cee? I always liked her, but she's pretty much disappeared. I think some of them get cold feet, others leave the TSA and, of course, some of them realize they have lives outside of FT. Hard to believe, but it's true.

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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by pmocek
You didn't answer my questions. Could you please do so?

I'm really trying to get at whether you think doing something perfectly legal is likely to have negative repurcussions, particularly negative repurcussions such as jail time. In your response, you mentioned "borderline interfering with screening" and suggested that such activity could "generate tons of negative responses". Could you be more specific about the negative responses that could come from something that does not constitute interference with screening? Also, you said that some of the suggestions here are for unlawful activity. Which ones? You started to present the annoy-o-trons idea as illegal, then you wrote that this is concelaing an electronic device (is that unlawful? I conceal about a dozen electronic devices every time I fly.), then you said it would result in at least a bit of discussion with law enforcement officers. If it's illegal, wouldn't it almost certainly result in arrest and charges of performing some illegal activity?
Ok, concealing an electronic device in the checkpoint area (leaving it in the checkpoint intentionally) = no no with a minimum of a meeting with the LEO (I can't speak for what type of followup they would have as I am not LEO).

Anything that can hamper the ability of the TSOs to perform their duties in the normal manner can be considered interference with screening. I know that is kind of vague, but that is the only info I have found and can't comment on specifics (SSI).

Creating a disturbance in the checkpoint area can result in LEO referral and jail time.

Wearing a tshirt with a joking reference to the agency = freedom of speech no problem.

Concealing illegal items of any kind on you, in your bag or any of your items brought with you = illegal and can result in jail time.

Again, anything that has a LEO referral is out of TSAs hands and moves forward on the LEOs decisions.

That should clear a lot of it up for you.
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