May 19, 2016, 12:11 am
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An EgyptAir Airbus A320, registration SU-GCC from Paris Charles de Gaulle (flight MS804 departing 18 May) to Cairo with 56 passengers, 2 flight crew, 5 cabin crew and 3 security personnel, lost contact over the Mediterranan Sea about 280km (151nm) from the Coast of Egypt at 02:30 local time (00:30 UTC) on 19 May 2016. Greece's Civil Aviation Authority reported radar contact with the aircraft was lost about 2 minutes after the aircraft was handed off from Greek to Egyptian Air Traffic Control.
At 12:30 CEST (10:30 UTC) 19 May 2016 France's President Hollande announced that the aircraft has crashed while flying over the Mediterranean Sea in Egyptian Airspace.
At 19:00 local time (17:00 UTC) 19 May 2016 EgyptAir posted on their Facebook page that wreckage of the missing aircraft was found near Karpathos Island. This was later denied by the head of the Greek air safety authority. EgyptAir's VP subsequently retracted the statement that debris of the aircraft had been found and said they were mistaken.
On the morning of 20 May 2016 The Egyptian Armed Forces informed EgyptAir that they have found first debris from the missing aircraft operating flight MS804 around 295 KM from the Egyptian coastline.
On 20 May 2016 The Aviation Herald published ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages which suggested there was smoke in a lavatory followed by smoke in the avionics bay.
On 22 May 2016 Egypt's President confirmed that the Petroleum Ministry has provided a submarine that could reach 3,000 meters under water in an attempt to retrieve the two black boxes.
On 23 May 2016 the French BEA and Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority, in response to media reports of an emergency call on Egypt's frequency, stated that no such communication has been received on any frequency.
On 1st Jun 2016 Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority reported that the French vessel "Laplace" has located pings presumed to originate from one of two black boxes. The French BEA confirmed that Egyptian Authorities have confirmed a "signal that may come from one of the recorders" of flight MS-804.
On 16 Jun 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to retrieve the cockpit voice recorder in several stages as the CVR had been damaged.
On 17 June 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to recover the memory module of the second black box, the flight data recorder.
List of nationalities of passengers on Board:
30 Egyptian
15 French
2 Iraqi
1 British (dual nationality with Australia as confirmed by AU government)
1 Belgian
1 Kuwaiti
1 Saudi
1 Sudanese
1 Chadian
1 Portuguese
1 Algerian
1 Canadian
+ 10 crew of unknown nationality.
Useful, reliable links:
Aviation Herald (Avherald) article on MS804
BBC article on MS804
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EgyptAir MS 804 on 5/19/16, Paris to Cairo, Missing
Jun 23, 2016, 4:05 pm
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Boy those Egyptians want control, eh?
IMO The delay over the last week was due to Egypt and BEA negotiating this agreement: 'you make it readable, but DO NOT READ IT. Send it back to us, then we read'.
Even if BEA makes an unofficial backup copy, Egypt knows that would be unofficial and cannot be used to counter their interpretation- or if it is, they can say it wasnt an official copy so who knows how accurate it is.
I know, I know- nothing untoward... just the normal behavior of open and sane nation states....
IMO The delay over the last week was due to Egypt and BEA negotiating this agreement: 'you make it readable, but DO NOT READ IT. Send it back to us, then we read'.
Even if BEA makes an unofficial backup copy, Egypt knows that would be unofficial and cannot be used to counter their interpretation- or if it is, they can say it wasnt an official copy so who knows how accurate it is.
I know, I know- nothing untoward... just the normal behavior of open and sane nation states....
Jun 29, 2016, 2:22 pm
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BBC report says data recorder confirms smoke:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36668910
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36668910
The Egyptian investigation committee also said that part of the front section of the aircraft's wreckage "showed sign of high temperature damage" and soot.
Jun 29, 2016, 3:10 pm
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Egypt’s Aircraft Accident Investigation said in a statement Wednesday:
“Preliminary information shows that the entire flight is recorded on the FDR since its takeoff from Charles de Gaulle airport until the recording stopped at an altitude of 37,000 feet where the accident occurred. Recorded data is showing consistency with [Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System] messages of lavatory and avionics smoke.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/arch...-flight/489431
“Preliminary information shows that the entire flight is recorded on the FDR since its takeoff from Charles de Gaulle airport until the recording stopped at an altitude of 37,000 feet where the accident occurred. Recorded data is showing consistency with [Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System] messages of lavatory and avionics smoke.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/arch...-flight/489431
Jun 29, 2016, 8:18 pm
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Egypt’s Aircraft Accident Investigation said in a statement Wednesday:
“Preliminary information shows that the entire flight is recorded on the FDR since its takeoff from Charles de Gaulle airport until the recording stopped at an altitude of 37,000 feet where the accident occurred. Recorded data is showing consistency with [Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System] messages of lavatory and avionics smoke.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/arch...-flight/489431
“Preliminary information shows that the entire flight is recorded on the FDR since its takeoff from Charles de Gaulle airport until the recording stopped at an altitude of 37,000 feet where the accident occurred. Recorded data is showing consistency with [Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System] messages of lavatory and avionics smoke.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/arch...-flight/489431
Jul 2, 2016, 10:53 am
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As a further update, it's been reported that the CVR memory module; i.e. the actual bit that records the voice traffic in the cockpit, is intact & only components associated with the transfer of recordings to & from memory were damaged, when the two recorders separated from their battery packs.
Their hoping to fly the unit back to Cairo within the next few days.
See: http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...-damaged-.aspx
Jul 2, 2016, 12:10 pm
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Egypt’s Aircraft Accident Investigation said in a statement Wednesday:
“Preliminary information shows that the entire flight is recorded on the FDR since its takeoff from Charles de Gaulle airport until the recording stopped at an altitude of 37,000 feet where the accident occurred. Recorded data is showing consistency with [Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System] messages of lavatory and avionics smoke.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/arch...-flight/489431
“Preliminary information shows that the entire flight is recorded on the FDR since its takeoff from Charles de Gaulle airport until the recording stopped at an altitude of 37,000 feet where the accident occurred. Recorded data is showing consistency with [Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System] messages of lavatory and avionics smoke.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/news/arch...-flight/489431
Jul 2, 2016, 2:08 pm
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Jul 2, 2016, 9:50 pm
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They've got the DFDR information, it's the CVR that's currently still in Paris, having components replaced (as mentioned above, these are not memory modules & so the actual voice recordings should be okay)
Jul 4, 2016, 4:50 pm
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A search vessel looking for the remains of victims of the EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean in May has recovered all of the mapped bodies from the sea floor, investigators say.
The Mauritian-based ship John Lethbridge is now sailing to Alexandria in Egypt.
It will later return to the crash site to look for more bodies.
The Mauritian-based ship John Lethbridge is now sailing to Alexandria in Egypt.
It will later return to the crash site to look for more bodies.
Jul 5, 2016, 9:45 am
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Audio from the flight deck voice recorder of EgyptAir MS804 indicates an attempt to put out a fire on board the jet before it crashed into the Mediterranean, sources on the investigation committee said on Tuesday.
Jul 5, 2016, 9:46 am
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The cockpit voice recorder of the crashed EgyptAir flight MS804 indicates an attempt to put out a fire on board the jet before it plunged into the Mediterranean, sources on the investigation committee have said.
The recordings were in line with data extracted from the plane’s other devices, which indicated the presence of smoke in the plane’s lavatory and avionics system, the sources said.
The recordings were in line with data extracted from the plane’s other devices, which indicated the presence of smoke in the plane’s lavatory and avionics system, the sources said.
Jul 5, 2016, 9:58 am
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Can anyone recall a crash in which a bomb exploded aboard the plane, and there was enough time between explosion and the crash that the crew was attempting to put out a resulting fire? In every mid-air bomb explosion I can recall, the plane disintegrated immediately after the explosion.
It could be the fire was set deliberately, but the latest information coming out seems to cut against the detonation of a bomb.
It could be the fire was set deliberately, but the latest information coming out seems to cut against the detonation of a bomb.
Jul 5, 2016, 12:52 pm
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Can anyone recall a crash in which a bomb exploded aboard the plane, and there was enough time between explosion and the crash that the crew was attempting to put out a resulting fire? In every mid-air bomb explosion I can recall, the plane disintegrated immediately after the explosion.
It could be the fire was set deliberately, but the latest information coming out seems to cut against the detonation of a bomb.
It could be the fire was set deliberately, but the latest information coming out seems to cut against the detonation of a bomb.
Even procedures are adapted, tests show the TSA, for instance, finds dangerous items under 10% of the time ...
Jul 5, 2016, 1:50 pm
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It's a risk and a plausible cause for this crash, but I suspect a deliberately-set fire is not the cause.
Jul 5, 2016, 5:26 pm
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Can anyone recall a crash in which a bomb exploded aboard the plane, and there was enough time between explosion and the crash that the crew was attempting to put out a resulting fire? In every mid-air bomb explosion I can recall, the plane disintegrated immediately after the explosion.
It could be the fire was set deliberately, but the latest information coming out seems to cut against the detonation of a bomb.
It could be the fire was set deliberately, but the latest information coming out seems to cut against the detonation of a bomb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_830
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_840_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Airways_Flight_163
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip...nes_Flight_434
Also of relevance was a CJ flight that was specifically brought down by arson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_...es_Flight_6136
I'm not saying that this flight was definitely brought down by foul play, but certainly it cannot be ruled out simply by the fact that the plane did not immediately break up.
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