Thank you for the thoughtful reply, yep I goofed the code for Auckland, especially appreciate the tip that I will need a transit NZeTA...will take care of that this week.

Definitely don’t risk it but I forgot to get one in February…and I was never asked. Surprised it wasn’t as automated as in Australia where airline systems are linked to th database.

I've actually yet to figure out the point of it other than a money grab. It doesn't seem to be checked by anyone. I had mine when I went in December, but my friend very spontaneously joined me on the trip, we got her ticket 36 hours before departure. Needless to say her NZeTA didn't process in time (which was odd, mine was issued within minutes), so I did some searching online and apparently it doesn't matter, you can still enter the country without anyone asking anything about it. Seems fairly common from what I found. (People did say you have to have a pending application, I don't know what would happen if you didn't apply at all)

She finally got the email that it was approved after being in the country for 4 days already.:D

Your friend's experience 100% matches mine as well.

Question on changing a Global Explorer 34,000 ticket (ex-CAI) with 2 segments already flown (CAI-LHR and LHR-BER) and 3 to be flown shortly (BER-HEL, HEL-SEA-DCA) leaving me 11 segments left:

1. FJ flight 821 from HNL-NAN - flight is a one-stop flight (direct) with a stop in CXI - this counts as one segment, correct? So would this be a valid routing:

DCA-SFO-ANC
ANC-HNL
HNL-(CXI)-NAN
NAN-CXI
CXI-NAN
NAN-MEL
MEL-KUL-BLK
BKK-DOH-CAI

Basically, the HNL-CXI-NAN flights only go once a week so my choice is to go HNL-CXI then CXI-NAN 7.5 days apart (I think 7.5 days there will drive me crazy) or just stop in CXI on the way to NAN, and then do a CXI-NAN-CXI with 10 hours there...I can't see why this isn't allowed but the 1 stop flight has me thinking...

Looks good (and novel!) to me :tu:
CXI is on my bucket list, and I too was thinking of the necessary one-week stopover, caused by the flight only being weekly. But conversely 10hrs might be too short for me.

Two points:

• I assume CXI is in the South West Pacific continent not North America, otherwise you cannot do what you want (surely it MUST be, right? But it is North of the equator and East of the dateline)
• Your HNL-NAN flight will of course show as just one segment on the ticket (no mention of the fact that the flight stops in CXI). This is good, because then your later CXI-NAN flight will not be flagged as a duplicate (which is not allowed)

ETA
You made an error in your last paragraph, right? It should be NAN-CXI-NAN, with 10hrs in CXI?

Yeah, sadly it's a dilemma. 7 days is too long, but 10 hours is too short. I just priced it out in the tool and it prices (and goes to booking stage) so it does appear valid....but the tough part is the 34,000 mile limit. I'd have to eliminate my SEA-DCA-SFO with time at home to make it work. Totally doable, but...

Hello! First post here but I've been reading lots of helpful tips about booking a RTW ticket.

I've been testing lots of routes for at trip at Christmas starting in Sweden or Norway using the Oneworld planning tool. But I have read here that Expertflyer gives more accurate information.

Soooo I have just started a weeks trial of Expertflyer and am struggling to see how to plan a RTW itinerary there. Please could someone point me in the right direction so that I can get started.

Big thank you in advance!

Whilst waiting for my first post to be approved by a moderator I'll ask a more specific question about my planned itineraries so far if i may. Edited to say that this post has appeared before my first one so hello! :)

The Oneworld tool will not allow either of these trips because of the rule that only 2 stopovers are allowed in "home" continent? I don't think my trips break this rule. Am I missing something obvious?

Trip 1
OSL-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHR-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-GOT
HEL-DOH
DOH-OSL

Trip 2
ARN-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHC-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-DOH
DOH-ARN

SwedishGirl Welcome to FT
Guessing
AUC = AKL Auckland
CHR = CHC Christchurch
NAD = NAN Nadi
STO= ARN Stockholm

CHC-NAN is on FJ Fiji Airways, so your trip cannot be a *ONE*, but could be a *GLOB*. So a different set of rules.

No flight LAX-GOT. Will need to be LAX-LHR-GOT or equal. Need to list all flights and not just where you want to depart/arrive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B...vetter_Airport

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c%3Ablu...=bm&PW=3&DU=mi

Thanks! I corrected my airport codes but probably as you were replying. And now I have edited the ones I missed.;)

Fiji Airways is Oneworld and I can get a valid and priced trip with CHC-NAN.

Yes the LAX-GOT offers via LHR.

STO - Stockholm so should be ARN

But my problem is not being allowed to stop in HEL at the end of my trip because the Oneworld tool says I am not allowed more than 2 stopovers of more than 24 hours in my starting continent. My dates only have one stopover of more than 24 hours in Europe (HEL) so I do not understand the problem.

Full list of flights that does NOT work
ARN-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHC-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-DOH
DOH-ARN

Full list of flights that DOES work
ARN-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHC-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-ARN

FJ is Oneworld Connect and cannot be used on *ONE*. FJ is not a full OW member. NAN-LAX would also be on FJ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadi_I...tional_Airport

Have you downloaded the rules?
Rule 3015 *ONE*
Rule 9701 *GLOB*

Hmmm interesting. The Oneworld planning tool is not giving me that information. It has offered me prices flying with Fiji Airways both CHC-NAN and NAN-LAX.
Frustrating because that is a part of my trip that I thought worked.

Edited to say that the tool is pricing as GLOB not ONE. So that answers that question.

But why am I not allowed to have a stopoever in HEL at the end of my trip?

It may be trying to price out a Global explorer
https://www.oneworld.com/world-travel

From what I had read here the error message is not always the real error. But an error some where.
Others will confirm/deny, but with the first flight on QR Qatar, the ticket is issued by QF Qantas. QF are difficult to deal with. Avoid if possible

You will have a steep learning curve for these Oneworld RTW tickets.

Haha yes definitely a learning curve! Frustrating that the Oneworld tool is so unreliable.

I tried to use expertflyer but can't figure out how to simulate the whole trip.

Welcome to FlyerTalk SwedishGirl
and to the wonderful world of RTW planning :D

I managed to get the above itinerary to price up! (72,953SEK all in for Business Class)
I entered it into the tool as:

• ARN-AKL (it gave me via DOH, with the first flight being on AY)
• CHC-NAN (I had to choose a day that has the non-stop flight, otherwise it routed me via AKL, with the first segment in Economy on Jetstar, which caused the pricing to fail!
• NAN-LAX
• LAX-HEL (it gave me via DFW, AA and then AY)
• HEL-DOH (with stopovers in both HEL and DOH)
• DOH-ARN

ironmanjt
I've been looking at FJ's route map
and I notice that in addition to its weekly HNL-CXI flight, it also has a weekly HNL-APW (Apia, Samoa) flight.
and it has daily flights between APW and NAN, so you wouldn't be stuck there for a week.
FYI

Not sure what I'm missing? This isn't a problem with NHL, but a problem with CXI - where the flights only go NAN-CXI-HNL-CXI-NAN once a week. Getting off HNL isn't the problem, it's a problem with choosing between 10 hours and 7 days + 2 hours in CXI.

Sorry, didn't explain myself at all well.
My FYI was you could substitute APW for CXI
HNL-APW, stopover in APW for as long, or short, as you like
APW-NAN

Of course, the whole point for you might be to go to CXI, not just any old South Pacific Island :D

Ah, crystal clear now! Yeah, the whole point was CXI - I've actually been to all 193 UN countries (obviously includes APW) so now trying to find new places to visit. However, I think right now, 7+ days in CXI might just be a little much.

The only way I could do 10 hours on this trip in CXI would be to get rid of SEA-DCA-SFO in my plans, basically using the remaining 14 segments all at once instead of 4 now and 10 later (plan was BER-HEL-SEA-DCA, stop, then DCA-SFO-ANC-HNL-NAN-CXI-NAN-etc)

The third way would be to "park" the ticket in SEA, ANC, HNL, NAN, or Australia and find another way home leaving the remaining 4-6 segments for later....

Getting to OW tool to work so that you have stopovers where you want vs transits (<24hrs) can take some, work as pandaperth's post 335.

Thank you pandaperth!

I’ve played around some more with the ideas you gave me.

I’m torn between getting two more business class flights to Doha at the end of our ticket that we can use later in the year after our main trip to Fiji and New Zealand or going with a far cheaper fare that originates in Oslo.

I want to avoid BA and Heathrow because it is a hub of delays and cancellations which we do not want to risk as the main trip has fixed dates.

Not planning on any AA or BA flights so I might just have to book online at Oneworld and suffer the consequences of a ticket through Qantas.

ex-OSL isn't limited to BA or LHR.. you can transit HEL on AY.

Thanks.

Yes I can get that route option in the Oneworld tool if I DON’T try to add an extra trip to Doha at the end of our trip. When I add the trip to Doha the tool forces me to travel out from Oslo via Heathrow. Thus my dilemma about choosing to start from Stockholm or Oslo. I can get prices for both these trips in business class but the trip starting in OSL is 14,000SEK cheaper (1350US$).

OSL-AKL via HEL and DOH, CHC-NAN, NAN-LAX, LAX-HEL, HEL-OSL

or

ARN-AKL via DOH, CHC-NAN, NAN-LAX, LAX-HEL, HEL-DOH, DOH-ARN


I’m reliant on finding a working itinerary on the Oneworld site because I don’t think I can book through AA or BA when I am avoiding their flights and a local travel agent can’t match the Oneworld price.

But any input on how I can get around this is welcome.

Do not consider this an endorsement.. but there is a FTer who offered to book RTW itineraries for a booking fee.
Perhaps s/he is able to price something comparable that meets your needs?
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...-services.html

BTW, you don't have to do OSL-HEL-DOH+, just the OW tool won't allow you to go OSL-DOH because for whatever reason it can't book the first segment on QR. If you book with AA, BA, or a travel agent then you can drop the HEL transit and open up one more segment in Europe for later.

No show per change or per flight?
 

Greetings again… currently partway through a HND-SFO-RDM-SFO-JFK/PHL-JAX-MIA-LHR-NCE-LHR-HKG-HND on an AONE3 issued by JL.
Largely because calling JL being much more of a pain than I expected (hours, reply with repricing, etc) in March I was unable to reschedule SFO-JFK until after the original flight. Ate the US$125 no show with some amount of ambivalence since they were having such long waits that it wasn’t realistic for me to change in time.

But now I’m in London, and it’s more of a combination of not knowing what I’d want to do as well as previous experience ringing JL, but I’ll have no-showed for LHR-NCE-LHR-HKG-HND by the time I change my ticket. My guess is that it’s still just a US$125 no show (and any differences to taxes, etc.) but wanted to check that t’s not a charge per segment… which would be a bit worse. And I know I should have just changed dates free of charge, knowing I could do again if I need, but JL is so time consuming to call and then send to rate desk then call back that I didn’t want to basically waste a day each time I did so. I value my day at more than $125 :)

Finally, does anyone here know if the no show charge (which is the same amount as the change of routing charge) is separate from and in addition to a change in routing, or if I could just change the routing if I’d like now for the same price as the no show that I already have to pay. After all, including the surface JFK/PHL I have only booked 12 of my 16 segments, so I could perhaps spice up the Europe or Asia portions since I have to pay already anyway. Initial booking was based on which carriers had A space since I didn’t want to Downgrade to D… but with some more work I could perhaps find some more creative options.

Thanks for any advice - and also as a mention up thread to my question about baggage, on domestic flights in the US American still gave me 3x32 on an AONE3 ticket even in D for PHL-JAX-MIA but AS was a bit more strict ,almost charging overweight when I had about 2x25 (I had left some things in SFO to pare down the amounts from more) and relenting because after they had severely delayed a flight the day before and the agent who had checked me in didn’t charge me, they decided not to impose a charge after the reboooking. I’m also oneworld Sapphire but I think AS is one of the few in the whole alliance that doesn’t even waive the weight overage from 23 to 32 for Sapphires. To keep in mind when flying AS… I was prepared to pay since AmEx reimburses me up to $200 per year on AS (relic of something I selected a few years ago) so would not have been serious. Realised after that I probably could have used that credit to pay for my friend’s cat on the same flight… which was also $200. Have since offered my friend to take his cat on holiday later this year. :)

IMHO 23kg to 32 kg (per bag) is not a OWS status benefit.
Not unusual for airlines to have other or extra baggage benefits over the OW benefit for there own status members.
Is a difference "weight" system and "piece" system.
No mention of "32kg" in OW web site
https://www.oneworld.com/travel-benefits Click on sapphire

Well I don’t have any status with AA just with BA. I think they were basing the extra allowance on it being an international First Class ticket, which AA and BA through their marketing agreements tend to align on. I did ring up AA ahead of time, and they confirmed by phone that for the PHL-JAX-MIA segments I’d have the same 3x32 as I had SFO-JFK. Having read that this may not be the case, I asked them to note my PNR as such, and had no issues along the way. It’s only AS that made a fuss about it, and I only had two bags that were slightly over…

Anyway, that’s not the point. I just wanted to give some feedback on a question I had raised back before I booked my AONE3. And I did think it interesting that AA was even willing to confirm by phone that I’d be entitled 3x32 since that was the allowance on the previous segment. I wasn’t necessarily expecting it, and wouldn’t even necessarily expect it from BA when I fly down to NCE.

The crux question now for me is about the no show/change fees and how they are applied. So if anyone knows that, I’d appreciate feedback.

The ticketed allowance for baggage should be applicable for all flights on that PNR, no matter what class of travel.
Extra due to status with the airline you are flying can be different. More so if flying on an airline where you do not hold status.
BA & AA have a close joint venture. so status benefits tend to the same.
Many USA airline staff seem unfamiliar with tickets that do have baggage included. More used to charging $$ for checked in bags.

On that I certainly agree. In SFO checking in for AA flagship First to JFK, which publishes on AA.com 3 bags, even someone at the premium checkin didn’t know that allowance until a colleague of hers pointed it out.

The only consistency is inconsistency…

I’ve also had the same problem in France with AF where an agent actually told me it was MY mistake (not AF) that I included a segment that didn’t include business, even though the ticketing email told me I had 3x32 as a Business passenger with SkyTeam Elite Plus on all four segments… he eventually went with what the email said. So it’s not just a USA problem. But it is a First world problem ;)

Question regarding the OW Explorer fare
 

I have booked an OW Explorer ticket departing KIX, going like KIX-HKG-MAD-ORD-DEN-(Several USA points)-JFK-HND. I would like to know if the following changes are possible:

1. On the return, can I choose to go JFK-HKG, and then stopover, then HKG-KUL-HND? That is, can I go through HKG twice?
2. Within the USA, can I go through one airport multiple times? For example, after DEN, can I do DEN-DFW-BOS-DFW-JFK-HND?

Thanks!

Q1 Is the first HKG a stop (>24hrs) or a transit?
A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

Q2 Have you downloaded the rules?
https://www.oneworld.com/world-travel

Thanks for your reply! I have studied the RTW rules before booking this ticket, but just want to clarify some points that I do not understand.

As for my first question, the first HKG is currently a stopover. Are you saying that I cannot have two stopovers in HKG? The relevant rules I found are the following:

(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent (with a few exceptions);
(f) Only one international departure and one international arrival from/to the country of origin permitted.

Neither forbids two stopovers in HKG. Am I missing something?

As for my second question, my main point is, am I only bounded by the max of 6 segments within the USA, as long as I do not travel the "transcontinental" flights more than once, right? That is, DEN-DFW-BOS-DFW-JFK is allowed?

Thank you very much!

That's great! Thanks!

A follow-up question. I tried to experiment with this routing on Oneworld's website: KIX-HKG-MAD-DFW-JFK-HKG-KIX. The website tells me that I cannot stop at HKG twice without visiting other Asian cities. Is this a glitch from the website? I do not see this kind of rule in the official terms and conditions.

Definitely a glitch

I was getting the same error message when planning my ex-Cairo DONE5
CAI-LHR-BNA...NBO-LHR-AMM with my two allowed stopovers both at LHR
Don't know what I finally did right, but the routing finally worked properly

Who are you ticketed with? QF says they won't allow it even though the OW Explorer rules do allow it. Other airlines should be less problematic.

What's your e-ticket actually say for your allowance? AA has always been 3 x 32kg for domestic first. I'm actually quite surprised that AS is only 2 x 23kg for theirs, seems to be an outlier in the US and something I need to keep in mind this summer as I have a segment on them during a RTW. I may have to take an extra duffel bag with me to split into 3 pieces under 23kg vs 2pc closer to my normal 32kg, although my e-ticket actually does specifically say 2x 32kg (before my status +1) so maybe will be ok.