Does AA or AS fly non stop SFO-ANC-SEA at the dates you want to travel?. Need to list all individual flights.
The error message the online tool display is not always accurate compared to the actual error. Can be an error somewhere.

From wikipedia for ANC [wikipedia is not always 100% accurate]
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d90dc82bf8.jpg

The rule was changed slightly some time ago (while AA was flying to Fairbanks in addition to Anchorage), to be:
A couple of points here:

• On FlyerTalk "o" generally means Stopover (=more than 24hrs between flights) and "x" means Transit (24hrs or less between flights); the word layover is not used
• Your suggested itinerary has a couple problems, to do with the re-visits to Tokyo:
  • Rule ​​​​​4(d) Travel may not be via the point of origin.
  • Rule 4(f) Only one international departure and one international arrival from/to the country of origin permitted.

Ah thanks, I was using the pdf from the website which must be slightly out of date, are you using rules from Expert Flyer instead, or something else?

And good point about the origin, I was used to planning ex OSL which allows the travel from Tokyo. That being said, the OP only needs 40k miles in total, so dropping SIN from the itinerary would still be fine and hopefully solve the issue of 4d and 4f!
​​​​​​I'm surprised that layover isn't used as a term, as that's what the GDS's use for <24 hours for between international flights I thought?

Current rules are available via this page:

https://www.oneworld.com/round-the-world

Open "What Are The Round The World Rules? +"

And click the link for oneworld Explorer

Hi aaaxton
here are my answers to your questions:

1. Yes, your current itinerary is valid, In particular your flights to and from Alaska. As has been pointed out, the online tool is very buggy.
2. I've never heard of QR ticketing a RTW, under any circumstances. I tried once and failed.
3. I have a few suggestions for you.

I use the link serfty posted.

Re layover - I've no idea what GDSs use. The published rules (i.e. the pdf documents on the web site) have always(?) used the term transit.

ETA:
I checked back through the old versions of the rules which I have kept, and the change from ANC to The State of Alaska was made in April 2021, which is when AS joined the alliance; makes sense.
At the same time the change was made regarding only one transcontinental flight allowed - from lists of East Coast and West Coast cities to lists of East Coast and West Coast states.

Thank you all! Glad to know the itinerary is vaild. I guess I'd better call JL or CX for ticketing it.

Based on the chart on ba.com, QR, JL and AY are all double-plus good, so sadly JFK-HKG-TYO (CX then JL I guess?) would earn less new TP than JFK-TYO (JL metal).
Can't find any direct flights between JFK and ANC in May so I'm afraid thats not an option for me.
MNL seems like a good idea.
DONE4 is a bit overkill for my goal, but still worth looking into it i think. Anyway thank you so much for your suggestions!

Thank you for your reminder! Google flight shows some direct flights in May (AS269 SFO-ANC and AS134 ANC-SEA) so this part should work. But sadly no direct flights to/from JFK.

I have also found myself digesting the information in this thread over the past few days based on the changes to the BAEC program - I can certainly see some RTW trips in my future - and would like to thank all the previous posters, and especially pandaperth for this great source of information.

As such JFK-HKG-TYO is slightly worse (if we are talking just about BA new tier points), as the long HKG-JFK flight only gives 25% earning (as opposed to 50% earning on the shorter HND-JFK flight).

JFK-HKG-CMB-TYO is a good idea though - even with the 25% earning on CX for the JFK/HKG flight this gives around 4880 BA new tier points, compared to 3400 for the HND-JFK routing.

I was also curious about the JFK-ANC-JFK routing - in that it doesn't seem to count as a transcontinental flight. If that is the case then something like JFK-ANC-JFK-SEA (all on AS) is indeed a good base to start from for the US sectors (if booked during the summer season when there is a direct flight between JFK and ANC).

According to EF the AS non-stop service JFK-ANC-JFK will run 4 days a week (MTTuSa) from 16-Jun to 17-Aug

My Perth TA ticketed two ex-CAI DONEx for me on QR during the first couple of go rounds.
When I was actively wandering
Fred

Ah, that's' good to hear Fred. I tried, and failed, to get QR direct to ticket for me (an ex-KHI DGLOB34 with KHI-DOH as the first segment)
And good to hear from you too :D
For interest, how much did the Perth TA charge you for the service, and how did you go when/if you needed to make changes?

Hi aaaxton
I've been playing around with you proposed itinerary (I have lots of time on my hands :D)
The Alaska flights are definitely what is causing your itinerary to fail with the online tool
When I enter the following flight segments:
...
SFO-ANC
ANC-SEA
...
I get the same error as you got.
Changing ANC-SEA to PDX-SEA gives me an itinerary that can be completed, and priced up
It is of course not what you want, and adds an extra segment to the itinerary (the surface segment ANC-PDX)
But at least it gives you an itinerary you can play with while you explore your options
And when the times comes, and you change PDX back to ANC, you'll have a valid itinerary that can be ticketed by a travel agent or direct with an airline.

Thank you pandaperth :D I'm playing around with my choices on google flights now, but the online tool is definitely more convenient. A (might be silly) question: are flights listed on the online tool guarante D seat availabilities? or i can only know when i hit the book button?

Sorry for slow reply - some of my replies have to be reviewed as this account is new here.

Added introductory sentence to Wikipost:

One World Explorer is cash-only fares. One cannot buy such fares with points, regardless of the program in which one has points.

Hi, I have a hopefully easy to answer question about allowed changes...

For explorer tickets I noticed it states changes allowed without fees provided ticketed points remain the same. If I booked a leg leaving Tokyo HND and wanted to change it to NRT at a different time would this count as a ticketed point change and incur the 125 USD fee? I assume I can change to another day leaving HND without a fee?

Yes.
Yes. Fee would not apply if it's a date change only.

The JFK flight is AS during the summer only, AS623. There is a QR codeshare, QR2058. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any availability in D class when setting the point of sale to Japan (only looked at around 12 days on ExpertFlyer)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4a7cd2e7bc.png

Changing dates doesn’t trigger the fee but switching airports, or changing any connecting airports or to a nonstop, would.

How about changing carriers (but keeping same date and same airports)?

North America also has the benefit of allowing 6 segments within the continent, so you could in theory really jump around, e.g., JFK-ANC-JFK-LAX-ORD-SEA-HNL-HND (or HND-HNL-JFK...).

I also am a bit confused by the latest version's wording on the North American transcontinental flights -
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...05d0d79c65.png
They haven't included Vancouver on this version so if you really wanted to go crazy, I think you might be able to do do:
JFK-ANC-JFK-LAX-ORD-YVR-CLT (as your 6 free segments within NA), and then go to DUB (on to DOH/HEL etc.)
Those 6 are 15k miles on gcmap, and potentially can all be done as codeshares on QR/AY for a 50% earn rate!
(Or even HNL-JFK-ANC-JFK-LAX-ORD-YVR-LHR once HA is integrated into Oneworld!)

But, given 20k nTP are needed, doing this only makes sense if the rest of your trip has limited earning opportunity (e.g., you're visiting some places out of need, and want to add on a few more segments to get over the 20k line)

That was my experience as well, NO D fares availability. I even called AA RTW desk about that, they couldn't find D either. Has anyone called AS? (I didn't but should have :p)

Hi all, like others I'm new to this part of the forum following the BAEC changes and exploring options for life after 1st April. I've read through the recent posts and the wiki links above, but still had a couple of questions if anyone can help? Under the BAEC new rules, the mileage base of awarding TPs favours AY, QR and JL. To achieve that on an e.g. DONE4, does that mean I need to organise my trip where all (or as many as possible) sectors are on flights with codeshares for those respective three airlines? Is that what is meant by 'marketed' in this case? Secondly, I've understood that QR don't issue DONEx tickets (or at least it's not easy to do). Does that mean it's not possible to include QR codeshares on a DONEx booking? Or can you fit those in anywhere in the itinerary except the 1st and last legs? I've seen a number of suggested itineraries that have the first leg as OSL-DOH and assumed that was on a QR code and QR metal? And finally, in terms of booking, I've seen people say they call AA, JL or try via the Oneworld website. Does this make any difference to the nTP earning, i.e. under the new BAEC rules for 'marketed'? Or should I aim to book via JL or AY (or via the OW website). Apologies if these questions have been covered elsewhere - I've not been able to find anything. I'm hoping that the answer is 'book how you like, QR/AY/JL codeshare is all you need to worry about'. Thank you!

D inventory on AS is really erratic. Days that one would believe as being peak demand, there is D class while other days not so. I wonder if the cruise schedules are the major factor in determining D class inventory.
Don't overlook the tropical destinations from LAX and SEA. Last year I flew JFK-LAX-NAS-LAX, 3 "trans-cons".

There is no fee imposed by the oneworld Explorer fare product for changing carriers, although occasionally you may incur a service fee for doing so from the airline (or travel agent). My reading of the rules is that changing the carrier on the first coupon before travel commences may result in repricing but I think that's unlikely.

According to Simple Flying, Alaska is launching flights this month between Boise and Orlando, a route that's almost 2200 miles. It may well end up on the transcon flight limitation list at some point.

Wait, does this explain why the AA RTW desk sometimes can’t get me D availability I can see on EF? I have to set point of sale to the country I started my RTW in (Japan for me too)? How do I do that on EF (I’ve used it quite a bit, but never seen that option).

If you make sure the advanced options are selected and then there is a new drop-down field
"Some airlines have the ability to show different availability for a flight depending on where you are in the world. ExpertFlyer will by default show the airlines inventory from a USA based Point of Sale. However this can be changed to a UK Point of Sale by selecting the "UK" option from the Point of Sale preference"

Point of Sale is one thing potentially affecting availability, another one is Point of Origin. EF does not provide Point of Origin information.

You don't get to see everything that airlines are subject to in EF. Availability in fare buckets are not the only determination. Sorry. EF is not the final say on what you can access, so there's no point in waving it around with the AA RTW desk.

RTW planning
 

I am relatively new to this forum which I discovered only very recently. I have certainly learnt some high value things from reading this forum over the last few days - much respect for the regulars on this forum and the advice and expertise they provide to several others on this forum.

I would certainly value some thoughts on a RTW trip I am planning for my family.

We live in London but happy to start the trip in Oslo. Key places we wish to visit are - Vietnam, Cambodia, Hong Kong, French Polynesia (I know OneWorld don’t fly here), Hawaii and Vancouver.

The flight routing I have come up with so far (and which the AA RTW desk has very helpfully validated) is:

OSL-DOHx-SGN-PNH//HAN-HKG-AKL-SYD-HNL-DFWx-YVR-LHR-DXB-LHRx-OSL

The current thinking is to buy separate tickets to take us from AKL to French Polynesia and back and then continue with the RTW ticket we would have.

A few questions I had where I would value input are:

1. Is there anyway to get closer to French Polynesia (PPT) using OneWorld airlines that are eligible for the RTW tickets? Or is my current plan to get as far as AKL and then use separate tickets the best plan?
2. Are there any sensible ways to optimise the earning of BA new tier points?
3. I am currently using up 14 segments - any interesting ideas of how I may use two additional segments so as to not “waste” them? I also feel that using the RTW ticket to fly SGN-PNH and also the surface leg from PNH-HAN is perhaps a bit wasteful. I’ll be travelling with two children so don’t really want to be doing long trips just to earn miles etc - but would value any thoughts on how I might get value from the remaining segments.
4. Does using a codeshare flight number (as opposed to the operators flight number) have any impact on the taxes/carrier imposed charges that are payable?

Thanks much in advance.

Chesil Welcome to FT & OW RTW tickets
Alaska AS have taken over Hawaian HA, who fly to HNL-PPT. Yet to be included as full OW airline, but will happen some time. Date unknow. Oneworld may change the rules when HA join.
Fiji Airways FJ is to join OW as a full member. Are reports will be 30 June 2025. That will open up more *ONE* routes, but not PPT. FJ are already an eligable airline for *GLOB* distance based RTW's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faa%CA...tional_Airport

https://www.oneworld.com/round-the-world
If you buy *GLOB* can/could use QF codeshare on Air Tahiti Nui (PPT home airport) [ we do not have a dedicated thread for *GLOB* ]
Edit
CX also fly HKG-CHC seasonably.
When you buy a ticket, the rules at that time stay in place. Even if an airline leaves or joins the OW alliance. Airlines leaving has their own set of problems.
As for "get closer to French Polynesia (PPT)", distance does not equal price.
Partial route Pacific--> http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c%3Ablu...=bm&PW=3&DU=mi

is there any way to get a better sense of what the airlines will see?

i’m running some tests using the oneworld tool as check (when it works). E.g. Finding dates on EF with availability in A fare class and then checking on the oneworld tool if it shows up as well. However it looks like it’s indeed very point of origin dependant and it’s basically useless to use EF (at least for certain routes in A class).

i’ve tried ITA Matrix (searching for f bc=a) but it doesn’t work.

anything else I could try? It’s really a pain to organize a AONE…

thanks!

A simple change is to replace SYD-HNL (earns on QF as 25% * 5066 miles = 1267 BA new tier points) with SYD-HND-HNL (earns on JL as 50% * 8691 miles = 4345 BA new tier points). This is possible as the rules allow you two entries and two exits to/from Asia.

It would be better also to fly from North America into Helsinki on AY - maybe change to YVR-SEA-HEL-DXB (AS, AY and AY respectively). The sequence SEA-HEL-DXB will earn you 7602 miles*50% = 3801 new tier points, whereas YVR-LHR-DXB on BA/AA will earn only a small fraction of this (as an estimate, for a total trip of 40000 miles and price of 5500 GBP something like (8144/40000)*5500 = 1120 new tier points). Doing though will mean that you won't be able to use the AA RTW desk for ticketing, so unless you are really interested in maximizing BA new tier point collection perhaps not worth the extra effort re: ticketing.

Note that those two changes use up your 2 extra segments

Try using a travel agent.

thanks, yes I plan to, just want to do some upfront prep rather than spam them with too many requests for a trip that’s one year out :)

I’m pretty sure the rules state « Two permitted in Asia if one is for travel between Southwest Pacific and Europe / Middle East »

So visiting Asia first, then going down under, then re-entering Asia to connect to HNL, doesn’t work.

However, if he started by flying with Europe-xSIN/xHKG/xHND-SYD then he could re-enter Asia subsequently (and to the Asia portion of his RTW before flying to HNL)

Hope to him if this is all worth it (with small kids) for extra nTPs!

Those highlighted words were removed from the rule some years ago. The rule now states:

Hi Chesil, and I repeat Mwenenzi 's greeting

I've been thinking about your proposed itinerary as a Global Explorer, because it would allow you visit all your desired places, in particular Tahiti
Here's the itinerary I've come up with:

• PPT can be reached using QF codeshares (on TN flights) AKL-PPT and PPT-LAX
• The Global Explorer does not disallow LAX-HNL-PDX (whereas the Oneworld Explorer does)
• According to ExpertFlyer, AA does codeshare on one daily BA flight YVR-LHR, so you could book with the AA RTW desk
• I've PNH before SGN because if you're planning a roadtrip up to HAN then that will be easier to do in Vietnam
• At the end you have four segments to get from LHR to Norway, but only one more stopover allowed
  • All the segments can be flight segments (the Oneworld Explorer would only allow three more)
  • Transits can be up to 24hrs each
  • These can be taken months after your RTW trip (up to 12 months from the first flight)
  • Assuming you're planning Business Class (max mileage 34,000) then, playing around, I see Rome or Reykjavik can be reached
• I've no idea what the FF earning would be

ETA
As Mwenenzi said earlier, there is no dedicated Global Explorer thread on FlyerTaslk, but there is this one which compares the Global and Oneworld Explorers Musings: Circumstances where a Global Explorer might be better than a Oneworld Explo - FlyerTalk Forums
serfy recently posted how to get to the rule sheets on the Oneworld site, just pick Global Explorer instead of Oneworld Explorer - FlyerTalk Forums - View Single Post - The Oneworld Explorer User Guide

You are right, thank you! I stand corrected. Somehow the rules I was reading on the oneworld website were the 2018 version. I think the Qantas website has the 2023 version which removed those words.

Interesting! That makes me rethink my own plan as well.