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Typically, the USD125 fee isn't charged provided ticketed points remain the same (see 16(a)(1)(a) and (b) here). So in your situation, simply book your journey using dummy or placeholder dates (assuming the routing you want is available, given some are obviously seasonal). With this approach, my recommendation is your dummy dates incorporate your transits and stops as it will make for easier calculation of taxes and surcharges. For example, if you're travelling CDG-LHR-BOS-DFW-LAX-HKG but only transiting LHR and DFW, make sure your dummy flights LHR-BOS and DFW-LAX are less than 24 hours after arrival at LHR and DFW respectively.
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Quick and simple question (I hope). And probably a dumb one so I apologize in advice for that ...
Can one of the experts here clarify the "maximim two stopovers in continent of origin" rule - specifically does this apply to "continent" or "tariff conference". Even more specifically - if I start in Japan and then travel to Australia does this mean max. two stopovers in Asia/India and unlimited in Australia - or two stopovers max. for all the travel in TC3? |
Originally Posted by GinFizz
(Post 36965300)
Quick and simple question (I hope). And probably a dumb one so I apologize in advice for that ...
Can one of the experts here clarify the "maximum two stopovers in continent of origin" rule - specifically does this apply to "continent" or "tariff conference". Even more specifically - if I start in Japan and then travel to Australia does this mean max. two stopovers in Asia/India and unlimited in Australia - or two stopovers max. for all the travel in TC3? So for your example - since you are starting in Japan, you are allowed up to two stopovers in Asia and in the Southwest Pacific you are allowed unlimited stopovers (well limited by the number of flight segments you can take in the continent, which is four) |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 36965431)
The rule is clear - you are allowed a maximum of two stopover in your continent of origin.
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I am trying to explore something ex-OSL and came up with the below (not much creativity) and not quite sure if still valid though just 15sectors.
Called CX, read out all the flights I wished and the agent just booked to flights I wished and looked all the way D availability is good. The agent mentioned it might violate the rules but the booking still gets created and passed to "backend" team for checks (assume the actual routing check and pricing only happen here?) read the rules once again and the routing looks pretty legit but CX can't price it out straight so I am keeping my fingers crossed. Did anyone get recent experience to share? OSL-xDOH-AKL-xSYD-HKG-xSIN-HND-BKK-HND-xDFW-xJFK-LAX-DOH-DUB-xDOH-OSL called AA RTW but insisted AA code over the water segment so didn't go all the way through |
Originally Posted by sydneyguy1234
(Post 36973262)
I am trying to explore something ex-OSL and came up with the below (not much creativity) and not quite sure if still valid though just 15sectors.
Called CX, read out all the flights I wished and the agent just booked to flights I wished and looked all the way D availability is good. The agent mentioned it might violate the rules but the booking still gets created and passed to "backend" team for checks (assume the actual routing check and pricing only happen here?) read the rules once again and the routing looks pretty legit but CX can't price it out straight so I am keeping my fingers crossed. Did anyone get recent experience to share? OSL-xDOH-AKL-xSYD-HKG-xSIN-HND-BKK-HND-xDFW-xJFK-LAX-DOH-DUB-xDOH-OSL called AA RTW but insisted AA over the water segment didn't go all the way through |
Originally Posted by izzik
(Post 36973497)
If I'm reading this right, you are intending to fly from HND to LAX in one go, connecting in DFW and JFK? I doubt that will be an acceptable routing from a married segment logic pov.
Pulled up the PNR on JL's web and all three flights were in under the journey box as Tokyo-Los Angeles. so I guess all three of them married together. Still finger crossed with CX's ability in pricing the itinerary tho. |
Additional changes and taxes.
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 36749743)
Govt's can change real taxes and the rate of currency exchange can/does vary.
Far safer to fly the first segment and only then make changes, Even minor time/date changes I have now flown the first segment and need to make date only changes for several flights. So will the new taxes be compared to the original amount of the ticket or to the amount that happened when I made the first change? |
Please Help RTW advice
Long time lurker needing advice .
I’m planning a RTW starting next Jan with all of the flights except one being finished by the end of May 2026 . my hopeful route is as follows OSL-DOH DOH-COK TRV-CMB CMB-KUL HAN- HND HND-LAX PHX-MSY ATL-DUB FUB-OSL I have put dummy dates into the One world RTW site and have managed (sometimes!) to get an itinerary and dates that work , for a very good price . my questions are , 1. is it still worth contacting the AA call centre to book And what’s the best way to do this , now that Skype isn’t a thing ( is it possible to do via e-mail?) 2. if there are date changes once the trip starts, how expensive and how easy is that to do? 3. Does it actually work, booking the ticket through the website or am I better using a specialist TA (Propeller Travel mentioned before ) I would appreciate anyone’s input with this , thanks in advance |
hi there,
im in the process of planning a Oneworld RTW starting in Jan 2026 in Business. I would appreciate some advice . Ive been using the Oneworld website and have managed to get the following route to stick and produce a price , using a mixture of ideal and dummy dates: OSL-DOH DOH-COK TRV-CMB CMB-KUL HAN-HND HND-LAX PHX-MSY ATL-DUB DUB-OSL All of these flights except the last will be between Jan and June 2026 my questions are as follows 1 Has anyone actually booked this ticket through the Oneworld site? I am impressed with the price it has quoted me so wonder if I'd get the same price elsewhere 2 if not , are AA still the recommended go to and what is the best communication method with them now that Skype doesnt exist. Can i do it via e-mail? 3 wou;d a specialist TA be better? Ive heard recommendations for Propeller Travel 4 How easy is it to make date changes and is it expensive ? sorry if these questions are abit basic . all advice is much appreciated |
advice needed please
im planning a Oneworld RTW in business, starting in Jan 2026. using the website , Ive managed to get a route to stick and im pleased with the price. my questions are 1. has anyone actually booked a ticket through the wesite, or is it still recommended to call the AA RTW desk and book through them ? whatds the best way to do this now that Skype doesnt exist, is it possible to e-mail ? 2. would using a sprcialist TA be better? ( Propeller travel mentioned ) 3. how easy and expensive is it to make date changes, my bookings so far have used a mixture of accurate and dummy dates any help appreciated apologies if some questions are a bit basic |
Am planning my RTW and all is fine from LHR-JNB-HKG-PER-SYD etc but then I want to go to South America and there seems almost no way of getting there.
My preferred choice of SYD-SCL would be ideal but there is almost no D class availability - I've checked many months (from April 2026 backwards)and it seems there may be some closer to departure but hoping there may be some is not going to work from a planning perspective. I guess I could go from SYD-LAX-MIA and then down into South America that way and then on to London - bit of a long way round but may work Any thoughts ? |
Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
(Post 37045549)
Am planning my RTW and all is fine from LHR-JNB-HKG-PER-SYD etc but then I want to go to South America and there seems almost no way of getting there.
My preferred choice of SYD-SCL would be ideal but there is almost no D class availability - I've checked many months (from April 2026 backwards)and it seems there may be some closer to departure but hoping there may be some is not going to work from a planning perspective. I guess I could go from SYD-LAX-MIA and then down into South America that way and then on to London - bit of a long way round but may work Any thoughts ? |
Originally Posted by ademanuele
(Post 37045578)
I am planning a RTW for next year and have SCL-SYD pencilled in for April. Is this recognised as being a challenging flight to book?
Cabin for Business class seems very small so maybe thats why there is no D |
Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
(Post 37045835)
I picked a few random dates each month from April 2026 and could find no D class until Aug 2025 and I cant wait until 4 months or so before travel to see if availability opens up. They will offer me Prem Eco instead but its a 12.5 hr flight and I would have paid for business so not doing that.
Cabin for Business class seems very small so maybe thats why there is no D |
Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
(Post 37045549)
Am planning my RTW and all is fine from LHR-JNB-HKG-PER-SYD etc but then I want to go to South America and there seems almost no way of getting there.
My preferred choice of SYD-SCL would be ideal but there is almost no D class availability - I've checked many months (from April 2026 backwards)and it seems there may be some closer to departure but hoping there may be some is not going to work from a planning perspective. I guess I could go from SYD-LAX-MIA and then down into South America that way and then on to London - bit of a long way round but may work Any thoughts ? QF are notoriously stingy with D availability on many of their TPAC flights. I'd say wait it out and pay a change fee later but it may never happen. It's hard to say. I know I've been forced onto AA metal twice from Oz to US because of this. But I still used QF codes for better AAdvantage earnings. |
Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
(Post 37045835)
I picked a few random dates each month from April 2026 and could find no D class until Aug 2025 and I cant wait until 4 months or so before travel to see if availability opens up. They will offer me Prem Eco instead but its a 12.5 hr flight and I would have paid for business so not doing that.
Cabin for Business class seems very small so maybe thats why there is no D https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...820c88190c.png |
Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
(Post 37045835)
I picked a few random dates each month from April 2026 and could find no D class until Aug 2025 and I cant wait until 4 months or so before travel to see if availability opens up. They will offer me Prem Eco instead but its a 12.5 hr flight and I would have paid for business so not doing that.
Cabin for Business class seems very small so maybe thats why there is no D True, not easy getting D-class on that specific route. Same issue with JL on certain routes espcially when operated by A350. |
Originally Posted by ademanuele
(Post 37046150)
moral_low_ground , where did you search for class D tickets? I had a look on ExpertFlyer for 2nd April and is showing plenty of availability?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...820c88190c.png Expertlyer can show D-class, but when you try to make the reservation it's showing very often no availability in D-class. |
Originally Posted by dutch_122
(Post 37046250)
Expertlyer can show D-class, but when you try to make the reservation it's showing very often no availability in D-class.
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Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
(Post 37045835)
... Cabin for Business class seems very small so maybe thats why there is no D
Originally Posted by dutch_122
(Post 37046250)
Expertlyer can show D-class, but when you try to make the reservation it's showing very often no availability in D-class.
I would suggest calling Qantas and asking the agent to confirm what the tool is apparently telling you. I would also ask the agent if they can tell you when the next flight is with D availability. |
Originally Posted by ademanuele
(Post 37046150)
moral_low_ground , where did you search for class D tickets? I had a look on ExpertFlyer for 2nd April and is showing plenty of availability?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...820c88190c.png
Originally Posted by dutch_122
(Post 37046250)
Expertlyer can show D-class, but when you try to make the reservation it's showing very often no availability in D-class.
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Originally Posted by ademanuele
(Post 37046150)
moral_low_ground , where did you search for class D tickets? I had a look on ExpertFlyer for 2nd April and is showing plenty of availability?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...820c88190c.png |
Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
(Post 37047421)
Yes - there is (lots of D) but you are looking in the wrong direction! - I am travelling SYD - SCL and there is no D class this way - but you are right in that there is lots coming back (which is not a lot of use for a RTW)
Interestingly the BA route GIG-EZE is also proving problematic. |
Originally Posted by moral_low_ground (Post # 860)
(Post 37047421)
Yes - there is (lots of D) but you are looking in the wrong direction! - I am travelling SYD - SCL and there is no D class this way - but you are right in that there is lots coming back (which is not a lot of use for a RTW)
Is there some reason a RTW trip should be flown eastbound rather than westbound? :idea: |
Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
(Post 37049388)
Why is SCL-SYD not useful for a RTW ticket? :confused:
Is there some reason a RTW trip should be flown eastbound rather than westbound? :idea: I've always flown mine eastbound, but the next DONEx I'm currently concocting may actually be westbound. |
Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
(Post 37049388)
Is there some reason a RTW trip should be flown eastbound rather than westbound? :idea:
Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 37051931)
I do reckon that if one had enough motivation to make the routing work it could be flown either direction. :D
It takes me the same amount of time to plan an eastbound itinerary as it does a westbound. |
I'm curious if anyone is aware of the Point of Sale that's used for these fares?
When playing around with the OW tool, it seems to show availability based on the start location *of each leg *, not the start of the trip. So, for example an ex-OSL trip, I'd expect to be using Norway POS, but I see availability for a SIN-LHR leg in the OW booking tool when EF says 0D for Norway, but 1D for Singapore PoS. I've seen this a few times while trying to force the routing I'm after. Anyone know whether TA's or individual airlines apply their own local POS? Or a First departure point POS? Or if they also follow the OW tool with a point-of-departure-per-leg model? |
Originally Posted by rob_88
(Post 37071279)
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Anyone know whether TA's or individual airlines apply their own local POS? Or a First departure point POS? Or if they also follow the OW tool with a point-of-departure-per-leg model? |
OneWorld pricing tool not accepting OSL and CAI
When I input either CAI or OSL into the pricing tool, the field doesn't populate and it's impossible to proceed. Is anybody else seeing this?
Are there any alternative tools or recommendations for pricing an RTW ticket originating in these destinations? |
Originally Posted by hkgpunter
(Post 37075691)
When I input either CAI or OSL into the pricing tool, the field doesn't populate and it's impossible to proceed. Is anybody else seeing this?
Are there any alternative tools or recommendations for pricing an RTW ticket originating in these destinations?
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OSL is ok in my tool
Originally Posted by hkgpunter
(Post 37075691)
When I input either CAI or OSL into the pricing tool, the field doesn't populate and it's impossible to proceed. Is anybody else seeing this?
Are there any alternative tools or recommendations for pricing an RTW ticket originating in these destinations? It is a pain but it's the only tool I have that is free (if you don't count your time and stress)! |
I haven't been able to get the tool to price anything recently as everything has been well beyond the scope of d DGLOB34. But all of those did include ANC which may be a problem per the post by flyhurl above. Next time I'll try SEA as a proxy and see if it makes a difference.
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Good morning people!
I have the following thought: Trying to build the following in order to credit to BAC. The goal is to get the 50% from most of the airlines based on miles flown (QR,JL) Question is the following: If i book the ticket with BA, will they credit that based on spending rather distance flown as i presume? And if yes, how can i circumvent that? Segments are the following: OSL-DOH (LHR) BA\QR DOH-LAX (QR) LAX-HND (JL) HND-SIN (JL) SIN-OSL (QR) I calculate a potential of 13640 nTPs without the OSL-LHR leg. Let me know please your suggestions and possible additions that won't skyrocket the price and maximise nTPs income Thanks! |
Originally Posted by Leonidasc
(Post 37096499)
Let me know please your suggestions and possible additions that won't skyrocket the price and maximise nTPs income
Thanks! You could also do the same ex LAX in the US. LAX-JFK-ANC-LAX on AS (25% ntps/mi, but better than zero). Or LAX-JFK-CUN-LAX with middle segment on AA if ANC doesn’t work. |
Thank you for the recommendations. My concerns are three. 1. To get something with not many segments in order to reduce hop on-off and 2. To squeeze them in a short period of time and last and extremely important, not to have them booked as BA codeshares that will defeat the purpose of this potential run
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Hi Leonidasc,
I just finished my first DONE3 trip. 20k nTP in 19 days :D
Originally Posted by Leonidasc
(Post 37096499)
If i book the ticket with BA, will they credit that based on spending rather distance flown as i presume?
Originally Posted by Leonidasc
(Post 37096499)
Let me know please your suggestions and possible additions that won't skyrocket the price and maximise nTPs income
QR, JL and AY offers more TPs. If you want to take as less flights as possible you can consider these long routes: DOH-LAX on QR, HEL-LAX on AY, and HND-JFK on JL; then make your route twisty within a TC. For example if you travel from east to west, you can land on west coast (DOH-LAX), take a transcon flight to the east coast, then departure to Tokyo (JFK-HND). AS offers more TPs than AA on transcon flights. I've built a handy online D/AONEx nTP calculator, initially for myself, but now I've made it public: https://xonex.pages.dev. It works on any D/AONEx routes with BA/AY/IB progam (it uses exact airport coordinates - results are not accurate if compared to the offical calculator! Expect small errors ±20 TP per seg). Hope that helps :) |
Originally Posted by Leonidasc
(Post 37096499)
If i book the ticket with BA, will they credit that based on spending rather distance flown as i presume? And if yes, how can i circumvent that?
It is about which airline's code is attached to the flight number. AA 9999 (operated by your neighbor's pickup truck) will credit as an AA segment according to AA earning chart. |
Originally Posted by aaaxton
(Post 37097008)
Hi Leonidasc,
I just finished my first DONE3 trip. 20k nTP in 19 days :D Interesting. I've never thought abou it. I'm not sure but based on my understanding to BA's new rule, TPs on partner flights (not AA/IB) should always be calculated using miles. On their website they say spend based TP are awarded on "any commercial British Airways, American Airlines and Iberia marketed flights". If your flight don't have a BA/AA/IB flight number it's not a BA/AA/IB marketed flight. Adding more legs to your plan won't increase the final price too much. Only taxes and YQ (as long as you stay DONE3). I believe YQ is priced and charged by your ticketing airline and it may be different across airlines. See #804. As for taxes just aviod places with high air travel taxes like the UK. QR, JL and AY offers more TPs. If you want to take as less flights as possible you can consider these long routes: DOH-LAX on QR, HEL-LAX on AY, and HND-JFK on JL; then make your route twisty within a TC. For example if you travel from east to west, you can land on west coast (DOH-LAX), take a transcon flight to the east coast, then departure to Tokyo (JFK-HND). AS offers more TPs than AA on transcon flights. I've built a handy online D/AONEx nTP calculator, initially for myself, but now I've made it public: https://xonex.pages.dev. It works on any D/AONEx routes with BA/AY/IB progam (it uses exact airport coordinates - results are not accurate if compared to the offical calculator! Expect small errors ±20 TP per seg). Hope that helps :) |
So, where to start. i used the OW tool to try a 16 segment RTW and came back as 75000 NOK, about $7000. Thought that OSL was supposed to be cheaper?
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