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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 1:57 am
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Is it possible to use JQ flights that aren't available as QF codeshares? I'm looking into an ex-HKG xCIRCxx in lieu of an xONEx, and am thinking it would be nice to visit the new Hilton Gold Coast or maybe Noosa, so I'd want to fly via OOL or MCY, and these seem to be served only by JQ codes.

(I could fly to BNE and take the train, at least for the Gold Coast, but that seems much more difficult.)

E.g., hkg-nrt-dfw-san-lax-mel-ool-syd-akl-syd-hkg shows at 25,987 per Great Circle Mapper.
E. Travel on any AA/BA/CX/JL/KA/ LA/LP/MX/NU/QF/XL/4M codeshare service operated by
AA/BA/CX/JL/KA/ LA/LP/MX/NU/QF/XL/4M is permitted.
Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services
operated by Jetstar (JQ).
No. You can't use the JQ code until such a time as JQ joins oneworld (either as a full member or as an affiliate member of QF).

Also, if you're looking at a DCIRCxx on a QF coded JQ flight, you'd be booked into L. D is not bookable under the QF code on JQ operated flights (even when said flight has a business class cabin).
(eg, KIX-OOL, QF248 (JQ20) -
JQ code: J D Y B V T S R Q P O N M E L K A H I W
QF code: Y B H K M L V S N Q O X E)
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Welcome to Ft Justintin
Your itinerary is in fact only 22,602 miles according to gcm

So one option is to get it below 22,000miles and save yourself some money by buying a DCIR22 instead of a DCIR26 - for example HKG-ORD-LAX-SYD-HKG

If you play around with gcm you can explore possibilities for your DCIR26 - such as HKG-NRT-JFK-LAX-SYD-AKL-BNE-HKG
Thanks a lot guys, really appreciated it!!

Do you guys know if I want to accumulate asia miles and during a trip I have a QF flight and I wanna do an upgrade using QF FF points... can I still collect Asia miles for that same flight I use QF points for the upgrade? or will that become QF FF points?

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks!!
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 2:24 pm
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Also I am a little confusing with the ticketing deadline. As I will not be 100% sure my routing until within 7 days of my departure date, can I still get the DCIR26 for Circle Pacific? I read some rules saying I need to complete ticketing 7 days prior to the departure date, but some rules say if I purchase the ticket within 7 days, I need to complete ticketing within 3 days?

If I am getting the DCIR26 in Hong Kong via CX, which rules applies?

Thanks heaps!
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Justintin
Also I am a little confusing with the ticketing deadline. As I will not be 100% sure my routing until within 7 days of my departure date, can I still get the DCIR26 for Circle Pacific? I read some rules saying I need to complete ticketing 7 days prior to the departure date, but some rules say if I purchase the ticket within 7 days, I need to complete ticketing within 3 days?

If I am getting the DCIR26 in Hong Kong via CX, which rules applies?

Thanks heaps!
From the rules:
5. RESERVATIONS and TICKETING
(A) Reservations and Ticketing
Unless otherwise specified
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceeding flights are required at least 7 days prior to departure of the first flight. Subsequent segments may be open-dated.
Ticketing for departure from fare origin must be completed at least 7 days before departure.
Exception:
For Economy Class reservations made 22 or more days before departure tickets must be issued at least 21 days before departure.
http://www.oneworld.com/tasks/downlo...?objectID=1168
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 3:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Himeno
Originally Posted by anabolism
Is it possible to use JQ flights that aren't available as QF codeshares? I'm looking into an ex-HKG xCIRCxx in lieu of an xONEx, and am thinking it would be nice to visit the new Hilton Gold Coast or maybe Noosa, so I'd want to fly via OOL or MCY, and these seem to be served only by JQ codes.

(I could fly to BNE and take the train, at least for the Gold Coast, but that seems much more difficult.)

E.g., hkg-nrt-dfw-san-lax-mel-ool-syd-akl-syd-hkg shows at 25,987 per Great Circle Mapper.
No. You can't use the JQ code until such a time as JQ joins oneworld (either as a full member or as an affiliate member of QF).

Also, if you're looking at a DCIRCxx on a QF coded JQ flight, you'd be booked into L. D is not bookable under the QF code on JQ operated flights (even when said flight has a business class cabin).
(eg, KIX-OOL, QF248 (JQ20) -
JQ code: J D Y B V T S R Q P O N M E L K A H I W
QF code: Y B H K M L V S N Q O X E)
Good to know, thanks. So, to visit Gold Coast or Noosa in conjunction with a DCIRCxx, best is to fly to SYD, BNE, or MEL, and use separately-purchased JQ flights, or the train from BNE?

Last edited by anabolism; Feb 28, 2012 at 8:20 pm Reason: Corrected accidentally saying train from MEL when train from BNE was meant
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 3:46 pm
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Circle Pacific Ticket

All,

I am trying to book my first Circle Pacific ticket and have a few questions.

First, previously (in 2011) there used to be a link on the One World website showing how many miles were required to purchase the Circle Pacific fare, it has since disappeared. Does anyone know where this link could be found now or know how many miles are required to purchase the 22K, 26K, and 29K fare respectively?

Can you use the Circle Pacific fare to fly to Bora Bora via Papeete (PPT) or Fiji (NAN)?

My plan would be to fly (22,300 miles):
LAX-PPT- (Surface to NAN) -AKL - SYD - (surface to MEL)-DSP-KUL- (surface to HKT)- (surface to USM) - LAX


If Fiji and Bora Bora couldn't be included than I would do this (21347):
LAX-AKL-SYD-(surface to MEL)-DSP-KUL-(surface to HKT)-(surface to USM) -HGK-LAX

What are the rules if you add in a South America stop? You have to be going a certain direction or stop in Chile or something? Maybe I'd add in a stop in Brazil..

Any suggestions, I know I would have to pay for the 29K mile Circle Pacific fare due to 6 stops....maybe I would look to surface two other stops to cut down to the 22K fare. However at this point like I said I'm not aware of the fare difference for booking with miles.
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Justintin
As I will not be 100% sure my routing until within 7 days of my departure date, can I still get the DCIR26 for Circle Pacific? I read some rules saying I need to complete ticketing 7 days prior to the departure date, but some rules say if I purchase the ticket within 7 days, I need to complete ticketing within 3 days?
You need to issue the ticket both:
  • Prior to 7 days before the first international and all earlier flights
  • Within 7 days of making the reservation.

But you can make date/time/carrier changes (same exact routing) for free if any of the following apply:
  1. You haven't left yet and it is more than 7 days before the first international flight and all earlier flights;
  2. You've flown some of the flights

At any time after issuing the ticket, you can change the routing for a $125 re-route fee, provided the new route stays within the maximum band you originally purchased. (If you exceed the band, the ticket is also re-priced.)

Since reservations are tied to the first segment, if you change that, the ticket is re-priced, even if you otherwise could make the change for free.

So, if you're not 100% certain of your route, you can wait until 7 or 8 days before the first flight, and book then. If your route changes afterwards, you pay the $125 re-route fee. If you need to change the route of the first flight, you'll also pay any fare increase.
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelJunky2024
All,

I am trying to book my first Circle Pacific ticket and have a few questions.

First, previously (in 2011) there used to be a link on the One World website showing how many miles were required to purchase the Circle Pacific fare, it has since disappeared. Does anyone know where this link could be found now or know how many miles are required to purchase the 22K, 26K, and 29K fare respectively?

Can you use the Circle Pacific fare to fly to Bora Bora via Papeete (PPT) or Fiji (NAN)?

My plan would be to fly (22,300 miles):
LAX-PPT- (Surface to NAN) -AKL - SYD - (surface to MEL)-DSP-KUL- (surface to HKT)- (surface to USM) - LAX


If Fiji and Bora Bora couldn't be included than I would do this (21347):
LAX-AKL-SYD-(surface to MEL)-DSP-KUL-(surface to HKT)-(surface to USM) -HGK-LAX

What are the rules if you add in a South America stop? You have to be going a certain direction or stop in Chile or something? Maybe I'd add in a stop in Brazil..

Any suggestions, I know I would have to pay for the 29K mile Circle Pacific fare due to 6 stops....maybe I would look to surface two other stops to cut down to the 22K fare. However at this point like I said I'm not aware of the fare difference for booking with miles.
A circle pacific is a paid fare -- you cannot use miles to book it.

You may be thinking of something along the lines of the AA oneworld award where you can obtain a series of award flights on multiple oneworld carriers by redeeming aa miles. For info and rules see this thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...er-awards.html

and this page on aa.com:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/pr...view.jsp#using
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Good to know, thanks. So, to visit Gold Coast or Noosa in conjunction with a DCIRCxx, best is to fly to SYD, BNE, or MEL, and use separately-purchased JQ flights, or the train from MEL?
BNE is closest to Noosa and Gold Coast. But, flights SYD-BNE are around $100 so is is a waste of one of the 16 CIRC segments for such a short flight. There is a communter train link to the Gold Coast. Not sure about Noosa, but car rental may be the way to go.
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 3:43 am
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I've just got a quote from my agent the ex HKG

Business class Circle Pacific is HK$88740... and or economy - HKD$28460

Became so expensive all a sudden....
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 4:14 am
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HKG base prices:
LCIR22 22,200
LCIR26 27,090
LCIR29SA 28,870
DCIR22 38,810
DCIR26 47,340
DCIR29SA 50,440
ACIR22 55,410
ACIR26 67,600
ACIR29SA 72,030
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 5:43 am
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Thanks Himeno! Looks like AMEX gave me wrong pricing...
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 5:47 am
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Does anyone know if it is possible to earn Asia miles on a QF flight? And on that same flight using QF FF points to upgrade that flight from business to first class?

Thanks
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
A circle pacific is a paid fare -- you cannot use miles to book it.

You may be thinking of something along the lines of the AA oneworld award where you can obtain a series of award flights on multiple oneworld carriers by redeeming aa miles. For info and rules see this thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...er-awards.html

and this page on aa.com:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/pr...view.jsp#using
Thanks for info. Do you know of a link for redeeming with BA miles?
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 5:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Justintin
Does anyone know if it is possible to earn Asia miles on a QF flight? And on that same flight using QF FF points to upgrade that flight from business to first class?

Thanks
1. Yes. QF is in oneworld thus you can earn AsiaMiles

2. More difficult. Theoretically I think Amadeus should be able to cope with this (it reportedly has four FF fields for different purposes) but made more difficult by Qantas's last minute upgrades.

Best chance would be to put QF number against the segment and apply for the upgrades, then when at checkin when upgrade has either cleared or not cleared, ask for the FF number to be removed and reprinted with your CX number.
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