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Dec 31, 2011 | 12:02 am

#76

goingbananas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pandaperth

Be aware of this rule:

Thanks...cheers!!

I will schedule accordingly to have mainline China business as well to cover the 7 days for ticketing time..... ^

Last edited by goingbananas; Jan 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm

Jan 17, 2012 | 8:03 am

#77

lky001

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Allow for surface sector between Lima/Cancun

I would like to purchase Circle Pacific DCIR29SA ex-HKG.

is the following routing valid?

Option 1
HKG-xSYD-xSCL/surface/CUN-JFK-HKG

Option 2
HKG-xSYD-xSCL-LIM-CUZ-xLIM-UIO-MIA/surface/CUN-xJFK-HKG

Jan 17, 2012 | 12:13 pm

#78

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lky001

I would like to purchase Circle Pacific DCIR29SA ex-HKG.

is the following routing valid?

Option 1
HKG-xSYD-xSCL/surface/CUN-JFK-HKG

Option 2
HKG-xSYD-xSCL-LIM-CUZ-xLIM-UIO-MIA/surface/CUN-xJFK-HKG

Code:

 
HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 146°  (SE) 4581 mi 
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) 145°  (SE) 7060 mi 
SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) 341°  (N) 3891 mi 
CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 26°  (NE) 1555 mi 
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) 352°  (N) 8072 mi 
 
Total:   25158 mi

Code:

HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 146°  (SE) 4581 mi 
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) 145°  (SE) 7060 mi 
SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) 343°  (N) 1524 mi 
LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) UIO (00°08'28"S 78°29'18"W) 353°  (N) 822 mi 
UIO (00°08'28"S 78°29'18"W) MIA (25°47'43"N 80°17'24"W) 356°  (N) 1787 mi 
MIA (25°47'43"N 80°17'24"W) CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) 233°  (SW) 531 mi 
CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 26°  (NE) 1555 mi 
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) 352°  (N) 8072 mi 
 
Total:   25932 mi

From a quick glance both are well under the mileage limit. Option 2 appears to have three stopovers in SA (LIM,CUX,UIO), so you will to pay for the third.

Quote:

8. PERMITTED STOPOVERS
A. Free: 22,000 miles – minimum two maximum four free stopovers permitted
26,000 miles – minimum two maximum five free stopovers permitted
29,000 miles – minimum two maximum six free stopovers permitted

Quote:

iv) A maximum of two free stopovers per region (SWP / Asia / North America /South America)

Quote:

B. Additional: Permitted at an additional charge per stopover of USD150.00
NOTES:
i) Additional stopovers may not be purchased in country of origin.
ii) Additional stopovers restricted to two stopovers per region
iii) Child /infant discount not applicable

As for the surface sector between SCL-CUN, this is a surface sector between 2 regions(or continents) and counts as a stopover in each region.
[QUOTE]v) Where a passenger disembarks at one point and re-embarks at a subsequent point enroute, the points count as a single stopover
Where there is a surface sector between two regions, this will count as a stopover in each of the two regions. However, for the purpose of the total stopovers permitted, this will count as one stopover only.[/QUOTE]

Quote:

I. Surface travel and use of other carriers between intermediate points along the circle which are
not operated by AA/BA/CX/JL/KA/LA/LP/MX/NU/QF/XL/4M is permitted at the passenger's expense and must be ticketed separately. Mileage must be included in the MPM calculation.

Last edited by jerry a. laska; Jan 17, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Jan 17, 2012 | 5:34 pm

#79

lky001

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Thanks Jerry. My travel agent told me that I cannot surface between 2 continents. From your reply it seems to be ok to surface between SCL & CUN. Right?

[QUOTE=jerry a. laska;17831073]

Code:

 
HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 146°  (SE) 4581 mi 
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) 145°  (SE) 7060 mi 
SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) 341°  (N) 3891 mi 
CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 26°  (NE) 1555 mi 
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) 352°  (N) 8072 mi 
 
Total:   25158 mi

Code:

HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 146°  (SE) 4581 mi 
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) 145°  (SE) 7060 mi 
SCL (33°23'35"S 70°47'09"W) LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) 343°  (N) 1524 mi 
LIM (12°01'19"S 77°06'52"W) UIO (00°08'28"S 78°29'18"W) 353°  (N) 822 mi 
UIO (00°08'28"S 78°29'18"W) MIA (25°47'43"N 80°17'24"W) 356°  (N) 1787 mi 
MIA (25°47'43"N 80°17'24"W) CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) 233°  (SW) 531 mi 
CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 26°  (NE) 1555 mi 
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) 352°  (N) 8072 mi 
 
Total:   25932 mi

From a quick glance both are well under the mileage limit. Option 2 appears to have three stopovers in SA (LIM,CUX,UIO), so you will to pay for the third.

As for the surface sector between SCL-CUN, this is a surface sector between 2 regions(or continents) and counts as a stopover in each region.

Quote:

v) Where a passenger disembarks at one point and re-embarks at a subsequent point enroute, the points count as a single stopover
Where there is a surface sector between two regions, this will count as a stopover in each of the two regions. However, for the purpose of the total stopovers permitted, this will count as one stopover only.[/QUOTE]

Jan 17, 2012 | 6:13 pm

#80

jerry a. laska

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lky001

Thanks Jerry. My travel agent told me that I cannot surface between 2 continents. From your reply it seems to be ok to surface between SCL & CUN. Right?

That's how I read it. That particular rule uses the term regions instead of continents (but lists the continents as the regions). See:

Quote:

8. PERMITTED STOPOVERS
A. Free: 22,000 miles – minimum two maximum four free stopovers permitted
26,000 miles – minimum two maximum five free stopovers permitted
29,000 miles – minimum two maximum six free stopovers permitted
NOTES:
i) Only one stopover permitted at any point.
ii) Two stopovers required outside country of origin.
iii) A maximum of one stopover in country of origin
iv) A maximum of two free stopovers per region (SWP / Asia / North America /
South America)v) Where a passenger disembarks at one point and re-embarks at a subsequent point
enroute, the points count as a single stopover
Where there is a surface sector between two regions, this will count as a stopover in each of the two regions. However, for the purpose of the total stopovers permitted, this will count as one stopover only.

Again your TA may be applying/confusing xonex rules with circle pacific. But even with an xonex only transoceanic surface sectors between certain TC's are prohibited.

Quote:

(g) Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passenger’s expense. Transoceanic surface sectors between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted.
EXCEPTION: For travel originating in the South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 is permitted.

Feb 8, 2012 | 1:42 pm

#81

goingbananas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goingbananas

Thanks...cheers!!

I will schedule accordingly to have mainline China business as well to cover the 7 days for ticketing time..... ^

Ok...I posted this question as well in the HKG section under travel agencies as well. I am going to HKG in the next several days, and as the OW pros here has mentioned HKG is a good place to start from for the DCIR26.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a travel agent in HKG that is good to work with for ticketing? I will be staying at the JW Marriott on HK island. thanks...

Feb 8, 2012 | 2:43 pm

#82

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goingbananas

Quote:

Ticket Sales Centers - Hong Kong

NO airport ticketing facilities available

The Walshe Group
Room 2907, Central Plaza
18 Harbour Road
Wanchai, Hong Kong
Monday - Friday 9.00 a.m. - 5.30 p.m.
Reservations Telephone: (+852) 3678 8500
Fax: (+852) 3678 8501

See also:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...t-visited.html
I think they have moved to the above address since this 2008 post.

Feb 8, 2012 | 6:57 pm

#83

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry a. laska

See this post for one recommendation:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17395795-post51.html
You could PM that poster for additional info.

You could also try to arrange the booking through the AA rtw desk and tell them you will be purchasing in HKG and then purchase through the AA GSA in HKG:

See also:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...t-visited.html
I think they have moved to the above address since this 2008 post.

Thanks...I will look into that!!

Feb 22, 2012 | 12:14 pm

#84

Justintin

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Hi all! I am wanting to do the pacific circle using DCIR26 for HKG-JFK-SYD-HKG but seems this will be only around 24000 miles, any suggestions to add more stops in between to make use of near 26000 miles?

Thanks

Feb 22, 2012 | 1:02 pm

#85

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Justintin

Code:

From  To  Initial
Heading  Distance  
HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 6°  (N) 8072 mi 
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) 273°  (W) 2475 mi 
LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) MCI (39°17'51"N 94°42'50"W) 67°  (NE) 1363 mi 
MCI (39°17'51"N 94°42'50"W) DFW (32°53'49"N 97°02'17"W) 197°  (S) 460 mi 
DFW (32°53'49"N 97°02'17"W) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 248°  (W) 8578 mi 
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) 322°  (NW) 4581 mi 
 
Total:   25528 mi

Code:

From  To  Initial
Heading  Distance  
HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 6°  (N) 8072 mi 
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) 273°  (W) 2475 mi 
LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) STL (38°44'55"N 90°22'12"W) 69°  (E) 1592 mi 
STL (38°44'55"N 90°22'12"W) DFW (32°53'49"N 97°02'17"W) 224°  (SW) 550 mi 
DFW (32°53'49"N 97°02'17"W) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 248°  (W) 8578 mi 
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) HKG (22°18'32"N 113°54'53"E) 322°  (NW) 4581 mi 
 
Total:   25847 mi

Feb 22, 2012 | 4:47 pm

#86

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Justintin

Welcome to Ft Justintin
Your itinerary is in fact only 22,602 miles according to gcm

So one option is to get it below 22,000miles and save yourself some money by buying a DCIR22 instead of a DCIR26 - for example HKG-ORD-LAX-SYD-HKG

If you play around with gcm you can explore possibilities for your DCIR26 - such as HKG-NRT-JFK-LAX-SYD-AKL-BNE-HKG

Feb 27, 2012 | 8:38 pm

#87

anabolism

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andreirublev

This would be leisure-only trip for 2 weeks (can't be flexible on the 2 weeks). Having never been to any of the places on either itinerary, were you happy cramming in a lot of destinations in a short period of time, or would you have preferred more time in just one continent?

My partner I have been flying a DONEx annually; before the huge rate increase a few years ago we used DCIRx a lot. We have limited vacation, so we generally only allot 2 or 3 days per stop-over. If it's a place we've not been before, we try to use that limited time to get a feel for the place and decide if we want to go back. If we've been there before, then we target something we didn't get to do before, or something we know is very fun. So, for us, limited time per place is fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardyloo

At $9300 plus taxes, however, I'd be inclined to look at RTW fares instead of Circle Pacific. If, for example, you flew relatively cheaply to Europe, you could conceivably start a 4-continent RTW in someplace like Poland for under $8300 plus taxes, or around $7000 - $7300 in the "near" Middle East. Then fly east - to Asia en route to Oz, then home... and still have six North America segments and a couple of European ones remaining, which you could use over the space of a year.

[snip]

AMM RJ BKK CX HKG QF MEL QF SYD QF DFW. (Then pause the trip and go back to work.)

Then, later (imaginary) DFW AA ANC AA DFW AA YVR CX JFK AA DFW AA MAD IB IST BA LHR RJ AMM, then miles home. There are literally thousands of permutations on this theme. IMO way, way more bang for the buck than the DCIR22.

Very good advise. Ever since the big price increase, my partner and I have been doing DONEx trips that start outside North America for the significantly lower cost, plus the ability to have multiple stop-offs in North America. As you suggest, we have a long (~6-8 month) stop-off at home, making one DONEx into two trips.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTW4

Call CATHAY PACIFIC number listed for their HONG KONG reservations office.. That is how I booked my last circle pacific from HKG.. No problems.. easy... faxed copy of credit card and passport to their office and e-ticket issued within 24 hours......hope this helps...

An intriguing idea. I have the AA RTW desk set it up, then find someone to issue it (usually an AA office somewhere). A big advantage is that then the RTW desk is happy to make changes. If CX issues the ticket, I'm assuming they couldn't issue something set up by AA (different systems)? The one time I used an external TA to set things up, the AA RTW desk couldn't touch it, and it was a nightmare.

Feb 27, 2012 | 10:49 pm

#88

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AAs HKG desk is perfectly good and accepts not present credit cards (just need to fill out and send back a word doc)...

You will run into probs if you try a non-valid itin though (dont ask)

Feb 28, 2012 | 12:10 am

#89

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moa999

AAs HKG desk is perfectly good and accepts not present credit cards (just need to fill out and send back a word doc)...

Terrific! (I thought I'd read here that they didn't, so it's great to learn they do). Thank you.

Feb 28, 2012 | 12:15 am

#90

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JQ (non QF codeshare)?

Is it possible to use JQ flights that aren't available as QF codeshares? I'm looking into an ex-HKG xCIRCxx in lieu of an xONEx, and am thinking it would be nice to visit the new Hilton Gold Coast or maybe Noosa, so I'd want to fly via OOL or MCY, and these seem to be served only by JQ codes.

(I could fly to BNE and take the train, at least for the Gold Coast, but that seems much more difficult.)

E.g., hkg-nrt-dfw-san-lax-mel-ool-syd-akl-syd-hkg shows at 25,987 per Great Circle Mapper.