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Originally Posted by Cerebus
(Post 35273663)
And many thanks for the quote. It was a fun little game working out the code. So that's about £1100 in taxes, could be worse! When I was doing some test ex-OSL routings in the OneWorld RTW tool, QF YQ/YR sometimes came to about £1500 alone!
Looks as if I should try using JL to book, however if I decide to use the AA RTW desk instead, are the taxes likely to be the same? Also, will I have to use an AA codeshare on one of the trans-ocean flights for AA to except it? Not an issue as it's more Avios as a BA EC member. Thanks again. Using AA to plate the ticket for your original itinerary resulted in a slight increase, as there is now 60GBP of YR from QF. If the ticket is issued in the US, there is also more US and XF taxes, when I specified the ticket to be issued in DFW (but still with a GBP quote just for easy comparison). Code:
WQHND/AJL14SEP/CA/XBKK/ACX/CDHKG/ACX/CD/XSIN/AQF/CASYD/AQF/CD/XBNE/AQF/CDAPW/-NAN/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CASIN/AQF/CALHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CALHR/ABA/CASEA/AAS/CDSFO/AAA/CAJFK/AJL/CAHND-B01JUN23/RW/MGBP/SDFW/TDFW/VAA«Code:
WQHND/AJL14SEP/CA/XBKK/ACX/CDHKG/ACX/CD/XSIN/AQF/CASYD/AQF/CD/XBNE/AQF/CDAPW/-NAN/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CASIN/AQF/CALHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CALHR/AAA/CASEA/AAS/CDSFO/AAA/CAJFK/AAA/CAHND-B01JUN23/RW/MGBP/SDFW/TDFW/VAA«Code:
WQHND/AJL14SEP/CA/XBKK/ACX/CDHKG/ACX/CD/XSIN/AQF/CASYD/AQF/CD/XBNE/AQF/CDAPW/-NAN/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CASIN/AQF/CALHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CALHR/AAS/CASEA/AAS/CDSFO/AAA/CAJFK/AAA/CAHND-B01JUN23/RW/MGBP/SDFW/TDFW/VAA« |
To share a recent experience, booking a DGLOB34 (as I wanted to go to Fiji with FJ rather than QF, and due to the 34k mileage limit on the ticket had to be creative compared to a DONE4) from Japan, with the first flight on Cathay, two interesting observations:
1. I was unable to book a last leg from HNL to HND with JAL, the system kept throwing a wait list error even after trying a few days/combinations including finishing in another city. But was fine to book HNL-NRT on the same day I wanted (note that JAL is booking D class a lot on this route, there are days at a time, Friday/Saturday/Sunday) with 0 availability across both HNL and NRT some 11 months out. Wasn't a big deal, I was willing to take the longer NRT commute to avoid having to read out 12 flights 2. I then had to call, rather than being able to pay online. CX picked up nearly instantly but clearly in the backend there was something complex as it took 20+ minutes (almost all with hold music) to get towards the payment, then another hour before the payment link was sent, but then instantly ticketed |
Originally Posted by littlevoices
(Post 35282599)
To share a recent experience, booking a DGLOB34 (as I wanted to go to Fiji with FJ rather than QF, and due to the 34k mileage limit on the ticket had to be creative compared to a DONE4) from Japan, with the first flight on Cathay, two interesting observations:
1. I was unable to book a last leg from HNL to HND with JAL, the system kept throwing a wait list error even after trying a few days/combinations including finishing in another city. But was fine to book HNL-NRT on the same day I wanted (note that JAL is booking D class a lot on this route, there are days at a time, Friday/Saturday/Sunday) with 0 availability across both HNL and NRT some 11 months out. Wasn't a big deal, I was willing to take the longer NRT commute to avoid having to read out 12 flights 2. I then had to call, rather than being able to pay online. CX picked up nearly instantly but clearly in the backend there was something complex as it took 20+ minutes (almost all with hold music) to get towards the payment, then another hour before the payment link was sent, but then instantly ticketed |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 35283412)
I would say 20 minutes for a booking over the phone with CX is pretty good, I would be happy with this as these are complex tickets and usually have to be sent off.
I spent an hour on the phone with an AA Agent setting up my current DGLBO34 - see FlyerTalk Forums - View Single Post - 2016-2023 Oneworld booking and pricing experiences |
I have booked and modified a few LONE4's in the past week with AA and QF staff, and time to do so has varied considerably. One lovely person from QF in Capetown set one up an LONE4 for me in 28 minutes, but said I had to call back later to get a price as her system was not pricing it for her.
When I called back later, I was asked by the agent who answered whether I was trying to buy a paid or a points ticket: some of the flights were in L, but others booked were in S, Y, X, etc. I them had to spend another half hour with someone correcting the booking classes in each flight to L. So fast is not always good! |
AA and QF Oneworld Explorer Pricing : Why the $1100 Price difference?
I had the same itinerary priced by AA and by QF in CAD.
OSL-LHR(stop)PHL-YYZ(stop)-ORD-SFO-DFW-LAX(stop)-MEL(stop)-SIN(stop)-DOH-OSL The very same flights were used in each case. AA quoted CA$4535 QF quoted CA$5679 for the same route and flights. There were some differences in the marketing of flights used For OSL-LHR, AA used an AA codeshare on BA; I requested that QF do the same, but they would or could not start a Oneworld Explorer with a codeshare, so used the BA flight. For ORD-SFO-DFW-LAX, AA used AA flights, while QF, at my request, used QF codeshares on AA flights. 1. Would you expect prices to be more than CA$1000 different for the same flights, just different marketing of them? 2. QF quoted CA$5232 (over $400 less if I used SIN-HEL-OSL rather than SIN-DOH-OSL. Does it make sense that QR flights SIN-OSL would be priced $400 more than AY flights SIN-OSL? |
1 yep. QF YQ is crazy and that’s what they do, chuck it on everything.
2. Yep, QR YQ is flat fee I believe |
Apologies if my questions are silly - but I can't seem to find decisive answers in the threads I've been looking through. My husband I are planning a DONE5 beginning March 2024, flights as below. I have asked for advice earlier in this forum but I have changed our itinerary because we're hoping to do an AA Platinum (possibly Platinum Pro) Challenge (pay upfront for the immediate status) over the year it will take to do this itinerary.
nrt-hnl-sea-cun-jfk-gru-doh-lhr-rho-hel-doh-syd-akl-hkg-sin-bkk-nrt Some questions: 1 Is this itinerary valid? 2 Will all the DONE5 sectors be booked in J class? Or are they likely to be booked on a business fare class that earns a lower cabin bonus i.e. C, D or R? How would i know before actually booking? 3 The cun-jfk-gru sectors would be on AA metal. As I understand it, under the Special Fares rules, I take the base miles, plus 100% J cabin loading (related to my second question above), then add an additional 60% (Plat.) or 80% (Plat. Pro) of the base miles. For example, sea-cun = 2684miles. So 2684+2684(based on J class fare)+520 gives me a total of 6978 redeemable miles/loyalty points on this sector. Is this correct or am I barking up the wrong tree? I have set up the trip sectors to hopefully allow me to earn the 42K points across each of the three x 4 monthly sessions necessary to gain Platinum Pro. We will probably be spending 5 months in the US during 2025 and hope to take advantage of Platinum Pro benefits. |
As per the name, "D"ONE5 they are booked into D class...
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I am potentially looking at:
OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/LHR/OSL Does it look ok with the two visits to LHR assuming they are stops and not just transit ? |
Originally Posted by petez
(Post 35329507)
I am potentially looking at:
OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/LHR/OSL Does it look ok with the two visits to LHR assuming they are stops and not just transit ? |
Yes, they are all stops at the moment - I could transit at DOH but would prefer not to ....
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Originally Posted by petez
(Post 35329543)
Yes, they are all stops at the moment - I could transit at DOH but would prefer not to ....
8. STOPOVERS Permitted. NOTE: 1. Minimum 2 stopovers required 2. Maximum 2 stopovers permitted in the continent of origin |
So am I right assuming any of these routings would be permitted ?
OSL/xLHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/LHR/OSL OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/xDOH/LHR/OSL OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/xLHR/OSL |
Originally Posted by petez
(Post 35329631)
So am I right assuming any of these routings would be permitted ?
OSL/xLHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/LHR/OSL OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/xDOH/LHR/OSL OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/xLHR/OSL |
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 35329664)
Well, they wouldn't run afoul of the 2 stopovers rule. I haven't checked the entire routing but looks okay at first glance. There is no special limitation on LHR stopovers.
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Hi all, does the current version of the Oneworld online booking tool still ticket to the airline that operates the first sector (like previous versions)? First sector is CAI-AMM on RJ.
I find it interesting that I priced a DONE5 itinerary and it quoted me in $AUD. Yes, I'm based in Australia, but I was not logged in and approached the Oneworld site from no external links. Wondering if it has assigned QF by default as my ticketing airline. Thx in advance. |
Originally Posted by Off.Grid
(Post 35330289)
Hi all, does the current version of the Oneworld online booking tool still ticket to the airline that operates the first sector (like previous versions)? First sector is CAI-AMM on RJ.
I find it interesting that I priced a DONE5 itinerary and it quoted me in $AUD. Yes, I'm based in Australia, but I was not logged in and approached the Oneworld site from no external links. Wondering if it has assigned QF by default as my ticketing airline. Thx in advance. It's hard to say what the tool is doing now since it doesn't seem that anyone can get it to work. |
Originally Posted by Cynicor
(Post 35327960)
As per the name, "D"ONE5 they are booked into D class...
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I have looked but can't find the answer - does the PER-LHR QF9 count as one or two segments (I think I may have read its two despite being one flight !!)
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I can't see why it would be 2? It's a non stop direct flight. You thinking QF1, which has the SIN tech stop?
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Thanks but it was specifically QF9, the non-stop. I just thought there was a rule that classed it as two segments for some reason - can't seem to find a definitive answer
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Originally Posted by Off.Grid
(Post 35330289)
Hi all, does the current version of the Oneworld online booking tool still ticket to the airline that operates the first sector (like previous versions)? First sector is CAI-AMM on RJ.
I find it interesting that I priced a DONE5 itinerary and it quoted me in $AUD. Yes, I'm based in Australia, but I was not logged in and approached the Oneworld site from no external links. Wondering if it has assigned QF by default as my ticketing airline. Thx in advance. |
Originally Posted by petez
(Post 35331315)
I have looked but can't find the answer - does the PER-LHR QF9 count as one or two segments (I think I may have read its two despite being one flight !!)
BUT is also counts as "touching" Asia, and so increases the continent count by one. The relevant rule is: "Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface eg LON-SYD/MEL/PER vv, DOH-ADL/AKL/CBR/MEL/PER/SYD vv, is considered travelling via Asia. Continents South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East must each be counted." |
Originally Posted by anc305
(Post 35331614)
I also priced a DONE5 from CAI and it also quoted in $AUD and I was in the USA. I will not use QF for RTW tickets. There is a OW thread concerning problems with QF RTW ticket changes,
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BA codeshare on AA booking?
I'm booking a DONE4 with the AA desk. I wanted to use BA codeshare for a couple of flights on AA metal -- this would generate higher Avios for a BA exec card holder, and also help my wife to reach status (which requires paid BA tickets).
AA says this is not allowed and I must book using AA flight number for AA metal. Is that consistent with what others have found? |
Originally Posted by SP0
(Post 35332669)
I'm booking a DONE4 with the AA desk. I wanted to use BA codeshare for a couple of flights on AA metal -- this would generate higher Avios for a BA exec card holder, and also help my wife to reach status (which requires paid BA tickets).
AA says this is not allowed and I must book using AA flight number for AA metal. Is that consistent with what others have found? The Avios earnt for BA and AA numbered flights are now almost the same. In D class, it's 250%, and the only difference is the minimum earnt on shorter flights (500 on AA, 1250 on BA). I can't imagine it's worth fighting over. You only need 4 BA operated/marketed sectors (or IB operated) in the membership year. |
Originally Posted by SP0
(Post 35332669)
I'm booking a DONE4 with the AA desk. I wanted to use BA codeshare for a couple of flights on AA metal -- this would generate higher Avios for a BA exec card holder, and also help my wife to reach status (which requires paid BA tickets).
AA says this is not allowed and I must book using AA flight number for AA metal. Is that consistent with what others have found? Further, some BA codeshares have only been bookable when combined with a BA marketed transatlantic flight. |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 35332631)
I think I read somewhere (can't find it now) that QF does the ticketing for RJ.
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
(Post 35332813)
AA rtw desk traditionally has not been cooperative when trying to book other airline codeshares of AA flights..
AA are also refusing to book a QR metal flight DOH-LHR with a BA flight number -- they say it has to be booked as QR -- what do you think about that? Will HUACA get a different answer or is this policy too? |
Originally Posted by SP0
(Post 35335429)
OK, I'll give up on that one.
AA are also refusing to book a QR metal flight DOH-LHR with a BA flight number -- they say it has to be booked as QR -- what do you think about that? Will HUACA get a different answer or is this policy too? Do you have to use at least one AA over the water flight ? #1 No segments on AA for us to ticket the DONE5 #2 Yes one longhaul is required #3 The ticket must be issue by the first international carrier ? !! With the answers all over the place , it appears they don"t have their act together. |
Originally Posted by SP0
(Post 35335429)
OK, I'll give up on that one.
AA are also refusing to book a QR metal flight DOH-LHR with a BA flight number -- they say it has to be booked as QR -- what do you think about that? Will HUACA get a different answer or is this policy too? Originally, when the RTW was being planned at first, there didn't seem to be an issue with selecting the AA codeshare, but when it came back from Fares team, it was moved to QR and can't be moved back to AA since. It actually means that AA have ticketed my DONE5 without any overwater segments on their code. I'm a bit baffled - I wonder is there some issue with codeshares on QR flights, where QR aren't allowing them to be used for RTW segments. I'd really like to get those 2 segments on AA as I will be crediting to BAEC and it will be a lot more valuable to me Avios wise to book on AA codeshare. |
I tried a well known TA to price the following routing:
OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/xLHR/OSL They said it fails on two counts - you can't visit the same place twice (in my case LHR, SAT and SYD) and the BDA/MIA/LAX legs there was availability as two sectors but because there was no married availability (same day flights), it wouldn't price It would appear that they are using Sabre, so might not be able to use them. Is this definitely a valid routing and if so who do I use - Carrier BA, AA, QR or suggestions on a TA ? |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 35332626)
It counts as one of the allowed 16 segments in a Oneworld itinerary,
BUT is also counts as "touching" Asia, and so increases the continent count by one. |
Originally Posted by petez
(Post 35336971)
So I assume that if you have already been to Asia (in my case Tokyo and Singapore) on my way down to Australia, you can't use QF9 as it it counted as going back to Asia ?
Originally Posted by petez
(Post 35336921)
I tried a well known TA to price the following routing:
OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/xLHR/OSL They said it fails on two counts - you can't visit the same place twice (in my case LHR, SAT and SYD) and the BDA/MIA/LAX legs there was availability as two sectors but because there was no married availability (same day flights), it wouldn't price It would appear that they are using Sabre, so might not be able to use them. Is this definitely a valid routing and if so who do I use - Carrier BA, AA, QR or suggestions on a TA ? |
Originally Posted by petez
(Post 35336971)
So I assume that if you have already been to Asia (in my case Tokyo and Singapore) on my way down to Australia, you can't use QF9 as it it counted as going back to Asia ?
BUT that is allowed So you can take the PER-LHR flight even if you have already been to Asia The relevant rule is: 4(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows: 1. Two permitted in North America. 2. Two permitted in Asia. 3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. |
Questions about choosing airlines/codeshares
I'm in the midst of my third DONE3 (from CAI) and planning a 4th as it is probably the most advantageous way to get home from Cairo. I am not sure how AA credits the flights on an Explorer fare. I've always ticketed them through AA's RTW desk. Does the whole trip then fall under the cost of fare x cabin bonus x status bonus? Or do they somehow sort it so the partner flights accrue LPs based on distance? If so, would you want to use AA code shares on shorter flights, partner codeshares on longer ones when available? Is there still an advantage to maximizing distance on partner flights? It's been so much less stressful "blowing" segments on getting to and from my "spoke" hometown--no worry about missing my nested flight to get to the hub.
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Originally Posted by Padkir
(Post 35239426)
Hi all.
So I've priced up a DONE5 Oneworld Explorer ticket (details below), and I have a question about the taxes and charges. The total is running at about 41% of the base fare, which is a bit higher than I'd have expected. On looking at the breakdown on AA.com (also copied below - the block of text is the various taxes, which totals about $450, which is fine), I can see that $1,508.70 of the total of $1,961.19 is down as "Carrier-imposed fees". I don't have any more detail as to which carrier or which flight and the AA rep wouldn't send me any more details. Would anyone have any idea or recommendations as to how I could potentially reduce these carrier fees (would anyone know which legs are driving the highest ones)? Sorry I'm not sure of the proper way of showing all the details on the below, so I've written it out underneath also for clarity. AA may have grouped them slightly differently as I was just booking them on dummy dates (e.g. grouped Chicago to Honolulu via Anchorage as one flight with a stopover) - not sure if that matters? Thanks! CAI(QR)-xDOH(QR)-xDFW(AA)-SCL, BAQ(AA)-xMIA(AA)-ORD(AS)-ANC(AS)-HNL(JL)-xHND(JL)-SYD(QF)-NAN, AKL(MH)-KUL(MH)-DEL(BA)-xLHR(BA)-AMM Cairo to Santiago, transiting Doha and Dallas Fort Worth (Qatar flights on CAI-DOH and DOH-DFW; I asked to be put on American Airlines codeshare but they said they couldn't) (AA on DFW-SCL) Surface segment to Barranquilla Barranquilla to Chicago via Miami on American Airlines Chicago to Anchorage on Alaskan Anchorage to Honolulu on Alaskan Honolulu to Sydney via Haneda on Japan Airlines Sydney to Nadi on Qantas Surface segment to Auckland Auckland to Kuala Lumpur on Malaysian Kuala Lumpur to Delhi on Malaysian Delhi to Amman via Heathrow on British Airways Adult (per passenger) $4,700.00 USD CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES$1,508.70 USD PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE (UNITED STATES)$9.00 USDSEGMENT TAX (UNITED STATES)$14.40 USDTRANSPORTATION TAX (UNITED STATES)$52.80 USDUS APHIS USER FEE (UNITED STATES)$7.66 USDUS CUSTOMS USER FEE (UNITED STATES)$13.04 USDUS FEDERAL INSPECTION FEE (UNITED STATES)$14.00 USDUS SECURITY FEE (UNITED STATES)$22.40 USDPASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE (AUSTRALIA)$40.50 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (AUSTRALIA)$46.90 USDAIRPORT TAX (COLOMBIA)$49.00 USDDEPARTURE FEE (EGYPT)$1.60 USDDEVELOPMENT FEE (EGYPT)$9.70 USDEMBARKATION TAX (EGYPT)$25.00 USDSERVICE CHARGE AT CAIRO AIRPORT (EGYPT)$2.00 USDSOLIDARITY TAX (EGYPT)$13.00 USDPASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE (JAPAN)$10.90 USDBORDER CLEARANCE LEVY (NEW ZEALAND)$3.30 USDPASSENGER SECURITY CHARGE (NEW ZEALAND)$10.70 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (NEW ZEALAND)$11.20 USDAIRPORT FEE (QATAR)$16.50 USDPASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE (QATAR)$16.50 USDPASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE (QATAR)$2.70 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (QATAR)$0.50 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (UNITED KINGDOM)$53.20 USDOTHER TAXES & CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES$5.99 USD Total$6,661.19 USD per person |
Originally Posted by skipaway
(Post 35343207)
I'm in the midst of my third DONE3 (from CAI) and planning a 4th as it is probably the most advantageous way to get home from Cairo. I am not sure how AA credits the flights on an Explorer fare. I've always ticketed them through AA's RTW desk. Does the whole trip then fall under the cost of fare x cabin bonus x status bonus? Or do they somehow sort it so the partner flights accrue LPs based on distance? If so, would you want to use AA code shares on shorter flights, partner codeshares on longer ones when available? Is there still an advantage to maximizing distance on partner flights? It's been so much less stressful "blowing" segments on getting to and from my "spoke" hometown--no worry about missing my nested flight to get to the hub.
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Originally Posted by skipaway
(Post 35343207)
I'm in the midst of my third DONE3 (from CAI) and planning a 4th as it is probably the most advantageous way to get home from Cairo. I am not sure how AA credits the flights on an Explorer fare. I've always ticketed them through AA's RTW desk. Does the whole trip then fall under the cost of fare x cabin bonus x status bonus? Or do they somehow sort it so the partner flights accrue LPs based on distance? If so, would you want to use AA code shares on shorter flights, partner codeshares on longer ones when available? Is there still an advantage to maximizing distance on partner flights? It's been so much less stressful "blowing" segments on getting to and from my "spoke" hometown--no worry about missing my nested flight to get to the hub.
When crediting to AA, basically for max mileage / LPs, the pecking order is 1) QR, BA, IB, AY codes 2) AA codes only if Special Fare 3) QF codes on flights to / from North America 4) Pretty much everything else since I think all other OW carriers credit D at 125% (+status bonus) to AA 5) AA codes if cost base |
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