Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
#3406
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Programs: AA LT PLT; QRPC PLT/OW EMD; Bonvoy LT Titanium
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In my experience many of their [the AMEX] agents are not well-trained, so I'd expect it to be hit-or-miss or may require asking for a different agent. However, if you know what you are doing, I'd expect it to be possible by telling the agent what the rules are and how to do it.
#3407




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,131
Thank you, Dr. HFH, for your comments. Indeed I have learned something helpful. It is very unlikely that I will use the same TA. We have more trips in the pipeline, so fingers crossed to find a knowledgeable and fair price agent. Normally I would do all the bookings directly with the airlines for point to point travel - both cash and points. Only used TA for RTW routes. Will pay fee for TA's time and effort, but want transparency.
#3408




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,131
I have a question re advance seat selection on codeshare flights. In the original booking, there were 2 flights: one with CX and another with JL (same booking reference for both CX and JL). Then I decided to change the dates for both flights to later dates (TA said no fee involved in changing dates). TA found 2 seats on CX with a new date, but could only find 1 seat available on JL for another new date. However he could find 2 seats on the same JL flight under AS codeshare. I agreed to book under AS codeshare flight, and did not realise that the seat selection for codeshare flights was a real nightmare. AS codeshare booking has a link to JL (and JL booking reference) for seat selection. However that link did not work. I have posted a question on this in the JL forum and got one reply confirmed that "Seat selection on AS codeshare has been a mess for a while by now. Basically, you can request window or aisle. That's about it in advance." Somewhat disappointed. Contacted AS who said they are not operating carrier, so could not help. Contacted JL who said booking ticked with AS, contact AS !!
Another problem was that when I tried to 'manage booking' in JL website, it said reservation cancelled / could not be found
TA said he did not know why that should be ..
If I could not find the booking in JL, then how would I be able to do online checkin for the flight?
Lesson learnt: Will stay away from codeshare flights in the future.
Another problem was that when I tried to 'manage booking' in JL website, it said reservation cancelled / could not be found
TA said he did not know why that should be ..If I could not find the booking in JL, then how would I be able to do online checkin for the flight?
Lesson learnt: Will stay away from codeshare flights in the future.
#3409




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,131
Try the AA RTW desk. These fares are all that the agents there do, and they're pretty knowledgeable about the rules. Not perfect, but much more knowledge and experience with these tickets than a travel agent. And getting your ticket from the AA RTW desk is free, no add-on fee. 800-247-3247.
#3410




Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New York City + Vail, CO
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#3411
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That actually works for me. I credit to QRPC, where AA coded flights earn considerably more than QR coded flights, even on QR metal. That's why I always get AA codes on my U.S. - DOH flights.
#3412


Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,022
Try the AA RTW desk. These fares are all that the agents there do, and they're pretty knowledgeable about the rules. Not perfect, but much more knowledge and experience with these tickets than a travel agent. And getting your ticket from the AA RTW desk is free, no add-on fee. 800-247-3247.
#3413


Join Date: Sep 2004
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#3414


Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,022
I book codeshares all the time and rarely have problems with seat selection. I haven't tried an AS code on a JL-operated flight, but your TA as well as AS and JL should be able to allocate seats for you. With a codeshare, there will often be a different record locator for the operating carrier of that specific flight, so there might be a JL record locator for the overall itinerary plus a second JL-only record locator for the JL flight that's booked as an AS flight in the main itinerary. In this second record, the JL flight will be a JL prime flight, but it is a "limited services record," meaning that it can only be used for seat assignments, checking in, meal selection, and potentially an upgrade once under airport control. So first I'd try to have your TA allocate seats in their booking engine. If that fails, have them dig in and see if there's a separate JL PNR for that one flight. If so, try using the JL booking management web tool with that record locator. if that fails, try calling JL and giving them that record locator. You can also try using the Qantas or Finnair websites to manage the booking, using either the overall record locator (same as for JL) or the limited services one. You can also try calling AS back or using their website to allocate seats,using the AS record locator for the overall itinerary (which will be different from the JL one).
#3415




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
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#3416




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,131
#3417




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
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Thanks, anabolism, for explaining that there might be a JL record locator for the overall itin PLUS a second JL-only record locator for the JL flight that's booked as an AS flight in the main itin (used for seat assignment). This makes sense as to why I have not been able to 'manage booking' using the JL record locator (JL website show booking not found or cancelled). I have contacted AS but they were unhelpful. Therefore, I may contact JL as to why I was unable to find my booking under the JL record locator given by AS (and the TA), hoping they will give me a second record locator for seat selection. I have used QF website but no joy. Could not find booking in Finnair as there was no AY flight involved.
#3418




Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New York City + Vail, CO
Programs: American Airlines Executive Platinum, Marriott Bonvoy Ambassador Elite
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Each airline files their carrier overcharges ("fuel surcharges") in the GDS. I am not aware of any handy tool to see this, although matrix shows it but only for "normal" itineraries, not RTWs. Many airlines charge per segment for their own flights, while some impose an additional surcharge over the whole trip. In my experience, AA charges all carrier overcharges, while some airlines (e.g., JL) seem to not charge quite as many. In addition, I think (but am not sure) that some airlines impose their own overcharges for the whole trip when booked through them. So, AA is in the middle. Booking with JL may save several hundred USD, and booking with BA may cost a few hundred more.
#3419



Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
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I have a question re advance seat selection on codeshare flights. In the original booking, there were 2 flights: one with CX and another with JL (same booking reference for both CX and JL). Then I decided to change the dates for both flights to later dates (TA said no fee involved in changing dates). TA found 2 seats on CX with a new date, but could only find 1 seat available on JL for another new date. However he could find 2 seats on the same JL flight under AS codeshare. I agreed to book under AS codeshare flight, and did not realise that the seat selection for codeshare flights was a real nightmare. AS codeshare booking has a link to JL (and JL booking reference) for seat selection. However that link did not work. I have posted a question on this in the JL forum and got one reply confirmed that "Seat selection on AS codeshare has been a mess for a while by now. Basically, you can request window or aisle. That's about it in advance." Somewhat disappointed. Contacted AS who said they are not operating carrier, so could not help. Contacted JL who said booking ticked with AS, contact AS !!
Another problem was that when I tried to 'manage booking' in JL website, it said reservation cancelled / could not be found
TA said he did not know why that should be ..
If I could not find the booking in JL, then how would I be able to do online checkin for the flight?
Lesson learnt: Will stay away from codeshare flights in the future.
Another problem was that when I tried to 'manage booking' in JL website, it said reservation cancelled / could not be found
TA said he did not know why that should be ..If I could not find the booking in JL, then how would I be able to do online checkin for the flight?
Lesson learnt: Will stay away from codeshare flights in the future.
I book codeshares all the time and rarely have problems with seat selection. I haven't tried an AS code on a JL-operated flight, but your TA as well as AS and JL should be able to allocate seats for you. With a codeshare, there will often be a different record locator for the operating carrier of that specific flight, so there might be a JL record locator for the overall itinerary plus a second JL-only record locator for the JL flight that's booked as an AS flight in the main itinerary. In this second record, the JL flight will be a JL prime flight, but it is a "limited services record," meaning that it can only be used for seat assignments, checking in, meal selection, and potentially an upgrade once under airport control. So first I'd try to have your TA allocate seats in their booking engine. If that fails, have them dig in and see if there's a separate JL PNR for that one flight. If so, try using the JL booking management web tool with that record locator. if that fails, try calling JL and giving them that record locator. You can also try using the Qantas or Finnair websites to manage the booking, using either the overall record locator (same as for JL) or the limited services one. You can also try calling AS back or using their website to allocate seats,using the AS record locator for the overall itinerary (which will be different from the JL one).
#3420




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,131
JL is more cumbersome to deal with for an RTW than AA, for sure. With AA, you call, wait, and get an RTW-experienced agent. With JL, if you call the U.S. number exactly when they open at 5am Pacific, you usually have no or a short wait, but it's luck of the draw if you get a Los Angeles or overseas agent. The L.A. agents all seem capable and experienced with RTWs, while an overseas agent will first try to help, then put you on hold to "consult the relevant department," then transfer you. If lucky, they transfer you to L.A. or an agent in Japan who knows RTWs. If unlucky, it's one more transfer. A transfer typically involves a lengthly hold (I call when I have other stuff to do while the call is on speaker). If you don't call the U.S. number the instant they open, there is usually a lengthly wait. You can also call Japan, but they often bring a translator on the line.
That said, I have purchased several RTWs over the past few years with JL, typically AONE5 or DONE5, with open-dated segments, and have made changes multiple times. It just isn't as easy as with AA.



