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Mar 22, 2026 | 4:04 pm

#3466

anabolism

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ernestnywang

From an availability point of view, it would theoretically be a workaround. However, for many airlines these days (certainly including JL), if a TA were to do that, the TA would get a very big fine and may have booking/ticketing access suspended. If an airline employee were to do that, I dunno... Maybe they can get away with it, but you will have to find one rookie/careless enough to do that for you without a good reason.

I was thinking that anyone might call an airline to setup an RTW, then when the price comes back, decide to change to the starting point. My guess is that the airline agent, knowing that point of commencement changes availability, would then redo the flights.

Mar 22, 2026 | 4:08 pm

#3467

link2

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Posts: 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer

That's very interesting info, especially for someone who tried (in vain) to book a DONE HND-JFK flight on JL with an OSL POC. Does D availability appear for those same flights with a TYO POC?

Two months ago I had a lot of trouble getting a SIN-HND on JL confirmed despite D class being wide open according to both EF and the AA RTW desk. The flight would simply always come back unconfirmed. That DONE had a POC of TYO so I feel like there must be more to the story — it seems unlikely to me that JL would restrict availability for TYO POC as surely that would affect simple TYO-SIN-TYO returns as well?

I remember one of the AA agents telling me explicitly that the flight I wanted to change to was no longer offered on RTWs fares but obviously they could have been mistaken.

Mar 22, 2026 | 4:43 pm

#3468

anabolism

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Quote:

Originally Posted by link2

I remember one of the AA agents telling me explicitly that the flight I wanted to change to was no longer offered on RTWs fares but obviously they could have been mistaken.

AA RTW agents have told me the same, that there is a type of fare limitation. ernestnywang has said there isn't such a mechanism, at least as far as he can tell (and has provided information to back that up), just the point of origin one.

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Mar 22, 2026 | 7:24 pm

#3469

ernestnywang

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer

That's very interesting info, especially for someone who tried (in vain) to book a DONE HND-JFK flight on JL with an OSL POC. Does D availability appear for those same flights with a TYO POC?

Availability is not as good as PoC JFK but definitely better than PoC OSL.

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snjl11sepjfkhnd/a+jl/pctyo
SNJL11SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             173 FR 11SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 A1 J9 C9 D9 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E7 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F3 AL J9 C9 D6 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   11SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
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SNJL12SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             174 SA 12SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E3 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F2 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   12SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL13SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             175 SU 13SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 AL J9 C9 D9 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E4 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O2 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F4 AL J9 C9 D6 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E2 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q6 OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   13SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL14SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             176 MO 14SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  FL AL J9 C9 D9 I9 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E6 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F3 AL J9 C9 D8 I2 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E6 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   14SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL15SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             177 TU 15SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F2 AL J9 C9 D9 I9 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E9 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F4 A1 J9 C9 D6 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E2 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   15SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL16SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             178 WE 16SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 AL J9 C9 D8 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E6 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O8 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F2 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R7 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   16SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL17SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             179 TH 17SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F3 AL J9 C9 D9 I3 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E9 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O4 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F5 A1 J9 C9 D7 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E7 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   17SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL18SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             180 FR 18SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 A1 J9 C9 D9 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E5 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL Z9 G3
 2   JL 005  F2 AL J9 C9 D4 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   18SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL19SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             181 SA 19SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E2 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F1 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E2 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   19SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL20SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             182 SU 20SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 AL J9 C9 D1 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E6 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL Z2 GL
 2   JL 005  F2 AL J9 C9 D5 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E1 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   20SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL21SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             183 MO 21SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F3 AL J9 C9 D9 I9 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E8 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O8 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F3 AL J9 C9 D9 I3 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E3 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   21SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL22SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             184 TU 22SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 AL J9 C9 D9 I9 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E9 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F1 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   22SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL23SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             185 WE 23SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F1 AL J9 C9 D8 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E7 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F4 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   23SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL24SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             186 TH 24SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F3 AL J9 C9 D8 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E4 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F3 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   24SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL25SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             187 FR 25SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F2 AL J9 C9 D7 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E4 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F2 AL J9 C9 D2 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   25SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL26SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             188 SA 26SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F2 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F1 AL J9 C4 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R1 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   26SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL27SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             189 SU 27SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F2 AL J9 C9 D4 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E4 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL ZC GL
 2   JL 005  F3 AL J9 C9 DL IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   27SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL28SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             190 MO 28SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F3 AL J9 C9 D9 I9 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E9 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O7 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F4 A1 J9 C9 D9 I5 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E3 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q1 OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   28SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL29SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             191 TU 29SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F3 AL J9 C9 D9 I9 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E4 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F4 AL J9 C9 D4 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W5 R1 EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   29SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST
>
mn
SNJL30SEPJFKHND/A+JL/PCTYO -MN-
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** HND TOKYO INTL HANE.JP             192 WE 30SEP 0000
 1   JL 003  F4 AL J9 C9 D9 I3 XL /JFK 8 HND 3  0130    0455+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E9 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O2 Z9 G9
 2   JL 005  F2 AL J9 C9 D3 IL XL /JFK 8 HND 3  1315    1640+1E0/351      14:25
             W9 R9 E1 PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   30SEP JFK HND
USE DECODE ENTRY TO DISPLAY ALT*ORIG*DEST

A quick look suggests that the TYO-NYC-TYO D fare is much cheaper than the NYC-TYO-NYC D fare, so that's probably the reason.

Code:

FQTYONYC15SEP-JL¥BD/USD«

    TYO-NYC       CXR-JL       TUE 15SEP26                     USD
    AM  0/ 0/ 3  AA  3/ 0/48  IB  0/ 0/19  EK  0/ 0/ 9  UA  4/ 0/99
    KE  0/ 0/11  SQ  1/ 0/18  AC  0/ 0/17  KL  0/ 0/17  EY  0/ 0/ 2
    DL  0/ 0/30  BA  1/ 0/13  AZ  0/ 0/ 2  LH  0/ 0/ 6  QR  0/ 0/ 6
    AY  0/ 0/ 4  NH  4/ 0/17  LO  0/ 0/ 3  AF  0/ 0/11  CI  0/ 0/ 4
    AI  0/ 0/ 6  JL  3/ 0/11  PR  0/ 0/ 2  TG  1/ 0/ 0  CX  0/ 0/22
    OZ  0/ 0/10  TK  0/ 0/ 6  BR  0/ 0/ 5  
    //SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
      SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
    JPY CONVERTED TO USD USING BSR 1 JPY - 0.0062981 USD           
    JL-JLC/BIZSPSV - BUSINESS SPECIAL SAVER
    JL     TYONYC.PA       15SEP26          MPM  8086
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      1    DHX42ZN1   ¥            5964.00 D¥17JUL-31OCTSU/12M PA01
      2    DHW42ZN1   ¥            7539.00 D¥17JUL-31OCTSU/12M PA01
    JL-JLC/BIZSEMFLX - BUSINESS SEMI FLEX
    JL     TYONYC.PA       15SEP26          MPM  8086
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      3    DHX42ZN8   ¥            6594.00 D¥17JUL-31OCTSU/12M PA01
      4    DHW42ZN8   ¥            8169.00 D¥17JUL-31OCTSU/12M PA01
      5    DHX40ZN8   ¥  4617.00           D¥17JUL-31OCT -/12M PA01
                                                                   ¥

FQNYCTYO15SEP-JL¥BD/USD«

    NYC-TYO       CXR-JL       TUE 15SEP26                     USD
    AM  0/ 0/ 4  ET  0/ 0/ 1  AA  3/ 0/64  IB  0/ 0/33  EK  0/ 0/ 8
    UA  4/ 0/99  KE  0/ 0/ 4  SQ  1/ 0/17  AC  0/ 0/25  KL  0/ 0/12
    EY  0/ 0/ 2  DL  0/ 0/25  BA  1/ 0/37  AZ  0/ 0/ 3  OS  0/ 0/ 1
    LH  0/ 0/16  LX  0/ 0/ 4  QR  0/ 0/ 6  AY  0/ 0/ 2  NH  4/ 0/26
    LO  0/ 0/ 5  SK  0/ 0/ 3  AF  0/ 0/11  AI  0/ 0/ 4  CA  0/ 0/ 6
    JL  3/ 0/15  TG  1/ 0/ 0  CX  0/ 0/ 9  OZ  0/ 0/ 6  TK  0/ 0/ 9
    BR  0/ 0/ 2  
    //SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
      SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
    JL-JLS/BIZSPPL - BUSINESS SPECIAL PLUS
    JL     NYCTYO.PA       15SEP26          MPM  8086
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      1    DHX03IN4   ¥           10806.00 D¥05SEP-17NOV¥¥/12M PA01
      2    DHY03IN4   ¥           11606.00 D¥05SEP-17NOV¥¥/12M PA01
      3    DHS03IN4   ¥           11806.00 D¥05SEP-17NOV¥¥/12M PA01
      4    DHX08IN4   ¥           11806.00 D¥05SEP-17NOV¥¥/12M PA01
      5    DHY08IN4   ¥           12606.00 D¥05SEP-17NOV¥¥/12M PA01
      6    DHS08IN4   ¥           12806.00 D¥05SEP-17NOV¥¥/12M PA01
      7    DHX09IN4   ¥  7024.00           D¥05SEP-17NOV -/  - PA01
    JL-JLS/BIZFLX - BUSINESS FLEX
    JL     NYCTYO.PA       15SEP26          MPM  8086              ¥

Quote:

Originally Posted by anabolism

I don't have so much confidence in airline agents these days (though AA RTW still seems good on average), so I wouldn't be surprise if you find some that don't know about PoC restriction. However, I believe even if such booking change was able to be completed or even ticketed at first, within a few hours (if not minutes) the revenue integrity system would detect it and force a void transaction or refund. Obviously, how one wants to argue with the airline at that point is beyond me. Chances are there won't be enough time for the booking to be sent for ticketing in the first place before the revenue integrity system detects it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by link2

Availability is somewhat different on this route also between POC TYO and unspecified POC (effectively POC SIN).

Code:

>
SNJL11SEPsintyo/A+JL/PCTYO
SNJL11SEPSINTYO/A+JL/PCTYO
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** TYO TOKYO.JP                       172 FR 11SEP 0000
 1   JL 038  J9 C9 D9 I8 X9 Y9 B9 /SIN 1 HND 3  0155    0950  E0/767       6:55
             H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 ZC GL
 2   JL 712  J9 C9 D9 I1 XL Y9 B9 /SIN 1 NRT 2  0805    1610  E0/767       7:05
             H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC G7
 3   JL 036  J9 C9 D2 IL XL W9 R8 /SIN 1 HND 3  2150    0545+1E0/789       6:55
             EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OL ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   11SEP SIN TYO
>
SNJL11SEPsintyo/A+JL
SNJL11SEPSINTYO/A+JL
** JAPAN AIRLINES - SN ** TYO TOKYO.JP                       172 FR 11SEP 0000
 1   JL 038  J9 C9 D9 I9 X3 Y9 B9 /SIN 1 HND 3  0155    0950  E0/767       6:55
             H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OC ZC G9
 2   JL 712  J9 C9 D9 I7 XL Y9 B9 /SIN 1 NRT 2  0805    1610  E0/767       7:05
             H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O7 ZC G9
 3   JL 036  J9 C9 D9 IL XL W9 R9 /SIN 1 HND 3  2150    0545+1E0/789       6:55
             EL PL Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QC OC ZC GL
NO MORE LATER FLTS   11SEP SIN TYO
>

Again, for J cabin, TYO-SIN-TYO fares are lower than SIN-TYO-SIN, but not by as much.

Code:

FQTYOSIN11SEPBB-JL/USD«

    TYO-SIN       CXR-JL       FRI 11SEP26                     USD
    EK  0/ 0/ 3  QF  3/ 0/ 7  KE  0/ 0/16  SQ 11/ 2/ 2  TR  2/ 2/ 0
    GA  0/ 0/11  QR  0/ 0/37  AY  0/ 0/ 8  NH  9/ 0/39  CI  0/ 0/10
    AI  0/ 0/ 7  CA  0/ 0/42  PG  0/ 0/10  JL  3/ 0/ 2  PR  0/ 0/22
    TG  0/ 0/16  CX  0/ 0/71  OZ  0/ 0/22  CZ  0/ 0/ 7  MU  0/ 0/20
    MH  0/ 0/12  VN  0/ 0/16  MF  0/ 0/ 2  TK  0/ 0/ 3  BI  0/ 0/ 1
    BR  0/ 0/ 6  ZH  0/ 0/ 5  3U  0/ 0/ 7  HO  0/ 0/ 2  
    //SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
      SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
    JPY CONVERTED TO USD USING BSR 1 JPY - 0.0062981 USD           
    JL-JLS/BIZSP - BUSINESS SPECIAL
    JL     TYOSIN.EH       11SEP26          MPM  3974
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      1    XNN02AMH   ¥            1688.00 X¥   ---      2/ 1M EH01
      2    INX76ACH   ¥            2242.00 I¥   ---     SU/12M EH01
      3    INW76ACH   ¥            2557.00 I¥   ---     SU/12M EH01
      4    INX7OACH   ¥  1575.00           I¥   ---      -/12M EH01
      5    DNX42ACH   ¥            3237.00 D¥   ---      2/12M EH01
      6    CNX3NACH   ¥            3609.00 C¥   ---      -/12M EH02
      7    DNW42ACH   ¥            3741.00 D¥   ---      2/12M EH01
      8    JNX3NACH   ¥            4094.00 J¥   ---      -/12M EH02
      9    CNW3NACH   ¥            4113.00 C¥   ---      -/12M EH02
     10    DNX4OACH   ¥  2267.00           D¥   ---      -/12M EH01¥

FQSINTYO11SEPBB-JL/USD«

    SIN-TYO       CXR-JL       FRI 11SEP26                     USD
    EK  0/ 0/ 4  QF  3/ 0/ 8  KE  0/ 0/11  SQ 11/ 2/ 1  TR  2/ 2/ 0
    GA  0/ 0/24  QR  0/ 0/38  AY  0/ 0/10  NH  9/ 0/31  CI  0/ 0/ 6
    AI  0/ 0/ 8  CA  0/ 0/33  PG  0/ 0/16  JL  3/ 0/ 2  PR  0/ 0/25
    TG  0/ 0/21  CX  0/ 0/40  OZ  0/ 0/13  CZ  0/ 0/ 6  MU  0/ 0/24
    MH  0/ 0/21  VN  0/ 0/28  MF  0/ 0/ 3  TK  0/ 0/ 4  UL  0/ 0/ 1
    BR  0/ 0/ 8  NX  0/ 0/ 1  ZH  0/ 0/ 4  3U  0/ 0/ 5  HO  0/ 0/ 2
    //SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
      SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
    SGD CONVERTED TO USD USING BSR 1 SGD - 0.78067373 USD          
    JL-JLD/BIZSP - BUSINESS SPECIAL
    JL     SINTYO.EH       11SEP26          MPM  3974
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      1    XLN0NGDH   ¥            2162.00 X¥01APR-19OCT -/12M EH01
      2    ILN0NGDH   ¥            2756.00 I¥01APR-19OCT -/12M EH01
      3    ILN0OGDH   ¥  1788.00           I¥01APR-19OCT -/12M EH01
      4    DLN0NGDH   ¥            3919.00 D¥01APR-19OCT -/12M EH01
      5    DLN0OGDH   ¥  2545.00           D¥01APR-19OCT -/12M EH01
    JL-JLD/BIZSEMFLX - BUSINESS SEMI FLEX
    JL     SINTYO.EH       11SEP26          MPM  3974
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      6    XLN0NGDD   ¥            2256.00 X¥01APR-19OCT -/12M EH01¥

Quote:

Originally Posted by link2

I remember one of the AA agents telling me explicitly that the flight I wanted to change to was no longer offered on RTWs fares but obviously they could have been mistaken.

I think the AAgent might be confused after handling a lot of ex-OSL tickets, thinking that's all the RTWs out there, haha? Just kidding.

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Mar 23, 2026 | 3:19 pm

#3470

LilZeppelin

Join Date: Feb 2007

Location: New York, NY

Posts: 2,056

For the AA JFK-DEL flight is it considered as the Atlantic crossing when you travel North America-Asia or as the Pacific crossing. Despite the actual flightplan, I think traveling TC1-TC3 it's Pacific, TC3-TC1 it's Atlantic. No?

Mar 23, 2026 | 5:40 pm

#3471

littlevoices

Join Date: Jul 2008

Location: HKG

Programs: Marriott Ambassador (Titanium Lifetime), BA GfL, EK Gold, HH Diamond, Ex-BD*G

Posts: 3,736

Thanks ernestnywang for those investigations / demonstrations. I think the sooner that ExpertFlyer adds a POC option the easier it will be to at least understand/plan around this particular challenge.

Particularly in JAL's case there is clearly something else going on as well beyond POC - as most of my RTW tickets are ex-TYO, but you still can't see space on most JAL flights in A or D, though it would show on the JAL website even for a direct sale - but hey, it is appreciated that you have experimented.

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Mar 23, 2026 | 9:10 pm

#3472

pandaperth

Join Date: Mar 2008

Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere

Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD

Posts: 3,687

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilZeppelin

It is treated as a trans-pacific flight by the online booking tool.

I played around with itineraries that included this flight back when it first started.
I wanted to know if it was being considered as TC1-TC3 overflying TC2, which is how the ORD-DEL flight was treated back when AA flew it.
That treatment opened up some interesting possibilities - Musings ORD-DEL flight on a xONEn - it's like a Circle Pacific ticket - only better - FlyerTalk Forums

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Mar 24, 2026 | 6:24 pm

#3473

ernestnywang

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: TPE / HSZ

Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National

Posts: 7,220

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlevoices

May I confirm if you mean, for example, you want to have an ex-TYO DONE3 for an HND-LHR-DOH-LAX-JFK-HND itinerary, and you want JL3/01AUG for JFKHND, assuming JFK is a stopover. JL says there is no D available on JL3/01AUG/JFKHND in this case. However, at the same time, you are able to buy a JL D class round-trip ticket for HND-JFK-HND (not JFK-HND-JFK), using JL3/01AUG for the return? Thanks!

Mar 26, 2026 | 7:43 pm

#3474

anabolism

Join Date: Aug 2004

Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)

Posts: 9,131

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlevoices

Ran into another flight with no 'D' inventory as part of an ex-OSL RTW but plenty of 'D' standalone: the two QF flights SIN-BNE in late January (one daily, one twice a week). Not even a waitlist available for either of the dates I could use (I'm filling in segments that were initially left open as they were beyond the booking window, and I have upgrade and award flights already booked for the ends so there isn't much room to shift dates).

Mar 27, 2026 | 7:52 am

#3475

izzik

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Aug 2001

Posts: 10,614

Late January is probably end of summer holidays for Australian schools.

Mar 27, 2026 | 3:32 pm

#3476

Mwenenzi

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Apr 2001

Location: MEL CHC

Posts: 22,913

Quote:

Originally Posted by anabolism

In AU schools and universities start the new academic year late Jan - early Feb. So 1000's returning home and foreign students to AU.

QF are currently changing routes - aircraft. Less capacity to USA and more to Asia-EU.
AFF thread Qantas Moves Capacity to Europe July 2026
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/tag/QANTAS
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/260327-qfns26inc

Last edited by Mwenenzi; Mar 28, 2026 at 1:54 pm Reason: added AeroRoutes

Mar 28, 2026 | 6:11 am

#3477

madrooster

Join Date: Mar 2012

Location: SYD

Programs: QF Plat, BA GGL, HH Diamond, Accor Plat, Hertz PC

Posts: 508

Quote:

Originally Posted by anabolism

I wonder if someone were to try and work around a point of commencement restriction by using, for example, a U.S. point of commencement, and then adding additional flights to the front, if the restricted flights would stay confirmed.

Some airlines have their revenue integrity systems setup to go in and just cancel your flight segments, ticketed or not ticketed. Over time I expect more and more to do this, along with incorrect/invalid uses of codeshares where traffic restrictions are being violated.

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Mar 28, 2026 | 6:28 am

#3478

anabolism

Join Date: Aug 2004

Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)

Posts: 9,131

Quote:

Originally Posted by izzik

Late January is probably end of summer holidays for Australian schools.

The flights have plenty of 'D' availability except in an ex-OSL RTW.

Mar 28, 2026 | 6:58 am

#3479

izzik

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Aug 2001

Posts: 10,614

Quote:

Originally Posted by anabolism

The flights have plenty of 'D' availability except in an ex-OSL RTW.

I thought we were discussing this already -- the idea that availability is restricted by fare types. You may be restricted from using those flights during peak season because you are on a RTW fare product.

Mar 28, 2026 | 5:52 pm

#3480

anabolism

Join Date: Aug 2004

Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)

Posts: 9,131

Quote:

Originally Posted by izzik

Yes, we have been discussing inventory restrictions; it's clear that there is a point of commencement/origination restriction; the AA RTW desk says there is a type of fare limitation but TAs in this thread can't find evidence of this. Most recently, I mentioned another flight that is available in 'D' except as part of an ex-OSL RTW, which attracted a comment to the effect that of course such flights are unavailable because it's a very busy time, to which I clarified that the flight has plenty of 'D' except as part of an ex-OSL RTW.

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