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Sep 2, 2025 | 4:01 am

#3001

wijibintheair

Join Date: May 2009

Location: Bath, UK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mwenenzi

What route? Airlines? Stopover vs transit.
It may be an invalid xONEx route, but OK for GLOB.. But the "34000 miles" is often a generic error messgae:

The route I was trying to work on was OSL-xHEL-HND-SIN-HKG-LAX-ANC-DFW-SFO-JFK-xDOH-MAD-xDOH-OSL - as far as I understand a perfectly valid XONE3 - doing it that way won't even let me get to the choose dates screen as it says I cannot have more than 2 stopovers in the continent of origin. When I try inputting OSL-HND-SIN-HKG-LAX-ANC-DFW-SFO-JFK-MAD-DOH-OSL it will allow me to go to choosing flights but then displays the message in the pic shown.

Sep 2, 2025 | 8:20 am

#3002

flyhurl

Join Date: Jul 2024

Location: DFW

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Check the airpots?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wijibintheair

I once had trouble with the Tokyo airports. The tool used both HND and NRT causing extra land segments. Once I made sure to have just HND in my case, the catch all error message went away. Good luck.

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Sep 2, 2025 | 3:15 pm

#3003

UserMark

Join Date: Apr 1999

Location: Andover, MA, 01810

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dvs7310

You're indeed correct, it is a Sabre issue. The travel agent I am working with was able to find the errors in the route map that you mentioned and has elevated them to Sabre support, but they need to talk to QR and RJ (the airlines involved in the examples we presented). We got it to price in Amadeus finally, but had to remove one TYO stopover to get it, so even Amadeus still seems imperfect on this routing.

That is great that you are doing something to fix the problem. I tried asking sabre once and they just said, not out problem, it's the airlines' problem. Maybe your agent can ask sabre to look at the issues I found too. And.... can you ask your agent where I can find documentation to understand the numerical route maps? I haven't been able to find it anywhere.

Sep 2, 2025 | 7:20 pm

#3004

ernestnywang

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: TPE / HSZ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UserMark

And.... can you ask your agent where I can find documentation to understand the numerical route maps?

I have the recollection that there's a Sabre command for this, but I can't remember it anymore. Anyway, I found the definition here: https://support.travelport.com/webhe...ones_Areas.htm

Sep 2, 2025 | 11:28 pm

#3005

dvs7310

Join Date: Dec 2006

Location: NRT / HND

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wijibintheair

How are you entering it into the tool? OSL-TYO or OSL HEL TYO? If the later, it's why it's failing later, because even though you have a transit it will see it as a stopover. But otherwise your itinerary looks perfectly fine, you might have to go through an agent or AA desk.

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Sep 2, 2025 | 11:57 pm

#3006

danger

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Is there any particular reason we're discussing experiences (frustrations) of the online tool in this thread, rather than the thread dedicated to that very topic?

Sep 3, 2025 | 12:20 am

#3007

UserMark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ernestnywang

I have the recollection that there's a Sabre command for this, but I can't remember it anymore. Anyway, I found the definition here: https://support.travelport.com/webhe...ones_Areas.htm

Wow, thank you so much for that, it's really interesting. Now I understand half of what I'm seeing. Maybe someone can fill in the rest, and I hope others find this info useful too. I looked at the routing rules for a DONE3 from CAI. There are 4 options, and this is one of them:
220-*O-210/220-*O-210/220-*O-310/320/330/350-*O-310/
320/330/350-*O-310/320/330/350-*O-310/320/330/350-*O-
310/320/330/350-*O-000/140/160-*O-000/140/160-*O-000/
140/160-*O-000/140/160-*O-000/140/160-*O-000/140/160-
*O-*PA-*O-*LY-*O-*LY-*O-220

Now I know what the 3 digit codes are, but what are things like *O, *PA, and *LY ?

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Sep 3, 2025 | 12:42 am

#3008

ernestnywang

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UserMark

*O means oneworld. This one I know for sure.

I believe *PA and *LY mean Panama and Libya, respectively. They are specifically written out because Panama is part of North America for xONEx purposes but part of South America according to IATA, while Libya is part of Middle East for xONEx purposes but part of Africa according to IATA. Note the routings list "allowed" points (except origin and final destination), not points you have to travel through. There are 499 (not 4) allowed routings for an ex-CAI DONE3. You cannot mix and match from these 499 possibilities, but you can skip any point in between.

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Sep 3, 2025 | 4:53 am

#3009

zoombee

Join Date: Mar 2008

Location: London, UK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danger

Is there any particular reason we're discussing experiences (frustrations) of the online tool in this thread, rather than the thread dedicated to that very topic?

I believe it is no more complicated than some people don't notice in a busy thread, some people don't overly agree with rules and being organised, some people care but less so than replying when they have someone to contribute. I've been shot down a few times trying to nudge things to the dedicated thread so no longer bother. The mods set the tone and have the authority and power to do so.

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Sep 3, 2025 | 4:56 am

#3010

danger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombee

I believe it is no more complicated than some people don't notice in a busy thread, some people don't overly agree with rules and being organised, xome people care but less so than replying when they have someone to contribute. I've been shot down a few times trying to nudge things to thr dedicated thread so no longer bother. The mods set the tone and have the authority and power to do so.

Helpful. Thank you. I like to be organised too but if that's not the approach here, at least I know.

Sep 3, 2025 | 5:35 am

#3011

wijibintheair

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danger

Helpful. Thank you. I like to be organised too but if that's not the approach here, at least I know.

You indeed pointed me to the correct thread which I appreciated. Although I have been using FT for a while, I am technologically inept, and don't really know how to link things from one thread to another. Mwenenzi asked a question about my post and I had the choice of, as I see it, being rude and not answering or answering, so I answered. As far as I know I am not able to move what I had posted over to the other thread you recommended, but perhaps the mods can?

Sep 3, 2025 | 4:09 pm

#3012

milhouse10000

Join Date: Dec 2013

Posts: 9

Privilege Club calculation

LilZeppelin - thanks for the advice and just curious, how did you come up with the 712 Qpoints number? Running things through the Privilege Club calculator I got something like 500 Qpoints (enough for Gold but not Platinum) but I certainly may have missed something.

(edit: oops I didn't quote the original message but — AA codes on HND-DFW-DTW-ORD-SFO-JFK-DOH; then QR on DOH-TBS-DOH-MUC-DOH-BKK; then AA on BKK-HND, all in D class)

Last edited by milhouse10000; Sep 3, 2025 at 4:12 pm Reason: add itinerary

Sep 8, 2025 | 4:41 pm

#3013

LilZeppelin

Join Date: Feb 2007

Location: New York, NY

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milhouse10000

LilZeppelin - I got something like 500 Qpoints (enough for Gold but not Platinum)

Your calculation is correct: The ticket will give you 524 Qpoints, of which 118 earned and operated by QR (76qpoints short of Platinum, in addition 2 Qpoints short of QR marketed and operated flights).
Booking as AA codeshare gives more Qpoints, but in addition to not meeting the condition to have 20% of QR-marketed and operated flights, one also cannot easily assign Qsuites as the middle aisle ones are blocked for QR-marketed bookings in my experience.

Sep 8, 2025 | 9:11 pm

#3014

dvs7310

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Location: NRT / HND

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Posts: 6,368

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilZeppelin

QR's requirement is 20% or 4 segments (either / or), which as I understand it, they have 5 QR marketed segments.

So really they just need to find another 76 Qpoints from any source on a separate ticket(s) if they want Platinum

The 20% clause is really only useful if someone were doing something like only 2x really long haul QR segments on a RTW, like LAX-DOH-AKL as an example. That'd cover your 20% as you need 120 and that gives 186.

Sep 8, 2025 | 10:19 pm

#3015

LilZeppelin

Join Date: Feb 2007

Location: New York, NY

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dvs7310

QR's requirement is 20% or 4 segments

As late as earlier this year it was "and" and not "or" in their T&C 4.4 as evidenced by post #107 and the wayback machine. But it indeed is "OR" now in T&C updated March 2025.