Originally Posted by nacho

I totally agree with you that once the vaccine is available to everyone, that place should open. Asia and Australia have been really insisting on not opening until this year which is pretty insane.

I also said that for me it is to avoid overburdening the hospital and to get a choice to stay home if one feels the need to. Yes we all die from something but there is no reason to bombard our already seriously diminished healthcare system. The Danish government should never spend that kind of $ to do massive testing - testing for Covid was like a sport in Denmark (at least twice a week during peak time and then whenever there's a positive case). Instead they should invest in better resources when something like this happens again so we don't need to worry about burdening the healthcare system, and we know that we will be well taken care of in case we got hit by it.

From what I heard about CDC's advice is their recommendation is 100% related to burden to healthcare, if they deem an area where there is a risk to overflow their healthcare capacity they would like people to wear mask. I'm not a mask person (I don't like the way that people who use them don't use them properly and I don't know how much masks have been disposed and it's not recyclable) and I think their advice should be to warn the risk group about a possible outbreak and give them options on how to deal with it. BTW, UA crews on my flights were all wearing masks.



Yeah I was chatting with a mum of my kid's classmates during the lockdown, she was working from home and she said she needed her kids to go to school so that she could work in peace, and that was her reason wanting the schools to stay open so she can "park" her kids there (this term was from another mum who was a teacher). It wasn't fun that they couldn't go to school and it's true that they learned less than being at school (that's because we are in Scandinavia so there is 0 enforcement to do homework). My kids were at the age that their social lives were already online, I could hear my little gamer chatting with classmates all the time. At least DK was really quick at getting everyone vaccinated so we can go back to "Business as usual" before a lot of countries.

The reason for the Swedish government to force kids to schools is keep them away from the street and give them a warm lunch. Basically, the government thinks all parents are poor, stupid and don't care about their children. My kids were starving every single day when I picked them up and when Danish parents admiring about the free school lunch in Sweden I immediately tell them what it was like - limited budget and you need to cook for everyone (Hindu, Muslims, Vegans, Vegetarians etc.) and they have to cook something that everyone can eat so that they can save $, so what do you think they serve? They all said, "that's not good" and I said "Yep".

Originally Posted by GUWonder

I was told by someone in the local government across the bridge from CPH who should know this that they spend about 14 SEK per pupil meal. I have no idea what kind of weird budgeting they do to arrive at that cost per meal but they indeed did keep schools open in part to make sure kids had access to cheap food and provide a safe place for kids to be parked by parents/guardians with different needs/interests.

Originally Posted by GUWonder

There is no indication that Sweden’s school kids without a “lockdown” have turned out to have more stable or better health outcomes than Denmark’s school kids. The mental health, drug use and crime problems involving kids has had a worse increase in Sweden following the pandemic than it has had in Denmark when even controlling for demographic background.

Originally Posted by nacho

How can you compare accidents to children passing the virus to risk groups? This is like comparing an apple to an orange.

Originally Posted by js1993

It appears you learned nothing about relative risks during Covid.

You're right. The flu in 2019 had a HIGHER fatality rate for people under 60 than Covid in 2020.

Originally Posted by nacho

Obviously we have a different opinion about this. It depends on who you trust or take the information from - there are a group of concerned scientists in Sweden who formed a forum and wanting the Swedish government to do something.

Originally Posted by js1993

The Experts™ were wrong about Covid from start to finish, but you're still trusting them?



Wait, you're aware that the flu had a higher per capita fatality rate in 2019 for people under 60 than Covid in 2020, and you believe the "flu probably has a higher fatality rate now too since everyone is back to their old selves"? Why aren't you pulling your kids out of school and calling for lockdowns?

Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer

The question is not what was the flu fatality rate when it is running largely unchecked, vs what was the covid-19 fatality rate when we did our outmost to try and restrict the spread. The question is what was the covid-19 and flu rates while there was restrictions and full focus on preventing spread.

Do I want a lockdown for flu? No. Am I more focused on some of the simple preventative measure that we got used to during covid to reduce my risk of flu? For sure. Would I want another lockdown for another pandemic? Hard to say until we know the specifics

Originally Posted by js1993

We're talking about per capita rates, so none of that matters.

Originally Posted by nacho

When my kids were in a school run by Malmo stad, the food was horrible (my kids described it to me and it was pretty gross) that the majority of kids went to the pantry or outside to buy snacks. 14kr per pupil is a recent figure? I saw Malmo cutting school budget like crazy back since 2019 - they had a plan on how much to cut. The budget for school is already real tight and I don't know where they can cut. I have no new data as this is not relevant to me anymore fortunately.

Originally Posted by GUWonder

The Swedish “expert” was Tegnell. He didn’t do the country any big favor, and so much for all that pandemic period talk of Sweden’s “openness” during the pandemic setting up Sweden’s kids or its economy for success relative to its neighbors.

Originally Posted by js1993

Wait, you're aware that the flu had a higher per capita fatality rate in 2019 for people under 60 than Covid in 2020,

Originally Posted by nacho

Definitely not what I remember. At that time I kept my kids at home because the atmosphere of the school was pretty bad - teachers were scared and they had to force students to go to school. Lunds kommun was sending warning letters to parents to keep their kids at home. The border wasn't closed and Sweden has never banned flights from China. We were not even allowed to lockdown voluntarily. The only people that could do that were office workers - ask bus drivers, train conductors or a 65 years old if they did that.

The mortality rate is not the only thing to judge what is right or wrong. Also, the mortality rate is not the best to look at because how healthy a person is depends on multiple factors from how healthy they live, whether they have received proper healthcare services when it was needed and how much preventative measures they have provided by their healthcare provider.