I just wanted to continue this thread in the right place? Now where is that Oneworld Forum when you need it?

3544quebec: I was a little confused as to why not all the segments were used up in each continent (always looking for ways to maximize miles!)--I know it might be difficult to find a Oneworld carrier with enough carriage rights on some continents, e.g. Africa only used 3 of 4 and South America only used 2 of 4,
but on Southwest Pacific--only used 3 of 4 segments (or did you intend to go back to Sydney from Cairns before going on to Auckland--there are no Oneworld flights CNS-AKL?).
North America only used 2 of 6 segments-- I know it says that you can only do one transcon in N. America and only stops allowed in continent of origin are in intercontinental arrivals and gateways--with a stop defined as 24 hours or more, that gives you lots of leeway with the schedules in North America. This would add more points and probably some pleasure.

OK:
Europe used 4 of 4 (incl 2 of 2 to Middle East)
Asia used 5 of 5

Last question -- do "real world" flight schedules allow you to do this without going over the 3 maximum stopovers allowed per continent?

It would be great if Star Alliance would use this segment based method.

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Now in which Oneworld carrier's frequent flyer program or programs would you claim your points?

Do any of the carriers count 200% miles and status bonus for first class like Lufthansa in Star Alliance? With first class bonus, this one RTW trip looks to me like you would qualify for top tier elite (i.e Emerald) on Qantas, American or Canadian if you flew first class, I presume also on BA but don't know their rules?

[This message has been edited by BlondeBomber (edited 03-07-99).]

None of the carriers have the kind of bonuses that LH give. Class of service makes a difference to top tier qualification on AA, BA & QF. It does not make a difference on the lower levels for AA or any level with CP. CX I'm not sure about. Also see my response on the United thread regarding lack of First Class services on some routes.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to move this thread over (no comment about facists here!!)

BlondeBomber, I'd hate to be your travel agent - you sound like you're even worse than me in wanting to get every single mile you pay for out of a fare. One of my Star Alliance 38000 mile RTW fares came to ...38000 miles on the button. The Thai International rep was in at my travel agents and was so impressed with the itinerary that she took a copy so she could use it in a training workshop.

As to the points raised getting segments in Africa is really difficult as Johannesburg - Harare on QF is the only internal African segment that a OneWorld carrier has traffic rights over. Comair flys Capetown and J'burg to Windhoek and Vic Falls with BA flight numbers and BA livery but I think these would count as codeshare flights.So my including CPT in the first itinerary may not have been possible. BA also flies from Nairobi to the Seychelles and Mauritius which would be wonderful to do (and just think of those extra miles)but you would need to fly back to Nairobi and make your own way to J'burg to pick up your next intercontinental flight.

Southwest Pacific used all 4 segments PER-DRW-SYD-CNS-AKL- assuming QF has a CNS-AKL flight (NZ do for sure so I'd be surprised if QF didn't) and unless you were staying for less than 24 hrs at one of these cities you'd need to pay for an extra stopover.

South America is again limited by lack of a Latin American partner airline but apparently Iberia have signed up so this may open up more possibilities. The only possible sectors at the moment here I think are SCL to EZE on BA and EZE to GRU on CP.

North America -well you can work your extra non-stopover segments out yourself. I'd think that the last thing I'd be interested in doing after this sort of a trip would be flying around North America stopping less than 24 hours in each city for a couple of thousand miles more - my travel agent would have me committed (or admit herself to a psych hospital)

"Real World" flight scedules would certainly allow that itinerary without going over the stopover limit.

Which frequent flyer program to credit in??
I'd go for Canadian plus myself and I'll explain why below.

Given you weren't satisfied with my last itinerary as being worthy of a true mileage hound I'll give you another one which by my reckoning must be close to the maximum mileage - you can add some North/Central American segments if you like!!

From To Distance
26 segment path: 82950 mi
YVR (49�11'N 123�10'W) JFK (40�38'23"N 73�46'44"W) 2447 mi
JFK (40�38'23"N 73�46'44"W) SCL (33�14'S 70�28'W) 5086 mi
SCL (33�14'S 70�28'W) EZE (34�29'S 58�19'W) 703 mi
EZE (34�29'S 58�19'W) GRU (23�16'S 46�17'W) 1061 mi
GRU (23�16'S 46�17'W) LAX (33�56'33"N 118�24'29"W) 6158 mi
LAX (33�56'33"N 118�24'29"W) DFW (32�53'49"N 97�02'33"W) 1234 mi
DFW (32�53'49"N 97�02'33"W) LHR (51�17'N 00�16'W) 4763 mi
LHR (51�17'N 00�16'W) MCT (23�21'N 58�10'E) 3626 mi
MCT (23�21'N 58�10'E) LHR (51�17'N 00�16'W) 3626 mi
LHR (51�17'N 00�16'W) LCA (34�31'N 33�22'E) 2034 mi
LCA (34�31'N 33�22'E) LHR (51�17'N 00�16'W) 2034 mi
LHR (51�17'N 00�16'W) JNB (26�04'S 28�08'E) 5598 mi
JNB (26�04'S 28�08'E) HRE (17�33'S 31�04'E) 615 mi
HRE (17�33'S 31�04'E) JNB (26�04'S 28�08'E) 615 mi
JNB (26�04'S 28�08'E) HKG (22�11'N 114�07'E) 6643 mi
HKG (22�11'N 114�07'E) BOM (19�03'N 72�31'E) 2694 mi
BOM (19�03'N 72�31'E) HKG (22�11'N 114�07'E) 2694 mi
HKG (22�11'N 114�07'E) JKT (06�04'S 106�23'E) 2011 mi
JKT (06�04'S 106�23'E) HKG (22�11'N 114�07'E) 2011 mi
HKG (22�11'N 114�07'E) AKL (37�00'S 174�28'E) 5658 mi
AKL (37�00'S 174�28'E) PER (31�34'S 115�34'E) 3337 mi
PER (31�34'S 115�34'E) SYD (33�34'S 151�06'E) 2067 mi
SYD (33�34'S 151�06'E) PPT (17�20'S 149�22'W) 3832 mi
PPT (17�20'S 149�22'W) SYD (33�34'S 151�06'E) 3832 mi
SYD (33�34'S 151�06'E) LAX (33�56'33"N 118�24'29"W) 7478 mi
LAX (33�56'33"N 118�24'29"W) YVR (49�11'N 123�10'W) 1079 mi


So ther you are 83000 miles - does that satisfy you? Of course you'd have to want to go to Oman and Cyprus.

And for MGM who was worried about paying a first class ticket and being forced to slum it in Business class all segments except EZE-GRU,LHR-LCA,JNB-HRE, HKG-BOM,SYD-PPT and there return flights would be in 1st Class. So about 63000 miles in 1st and 20000 in Business.

Now to the points. On Canadian Plus base miles and class of service bonus count toward elite status and that includes American,QAntas and I presume now all ONEWORLD partner flights.

If you're starting from scratch in Canadian PLUS you'll earn 63000 x 1.5 + 20000 x1.25 =120000 status miles. After your first 35000 until you reach 85000 you'll be Gold and after 85000 miles Executive Platinum. For your status miles as Gold you get a 50% bonus and as EP 100% - I think on all ONEWORLD flights not just CP ones and if this is the case you'd get 60000 bonus points, meaning that your one RTW ticket -at a cost of $12000 AUS or CDN give or take a bit would get you Top Tier ONEWORLD status and 180000 Canadian Plus points and it costs 150000 CP points for a 1st class ticket from North America to Australia with a stop allowed in London on BA.

Anyone not satisfied with this???????

I'm going into retirement now!!!!!

Quebec:

I just wanna say it was a great post !

Thanks for that ..


MMM

Whew again! Thanks. By the way, my brother and mother really liked Oman and would like to take me there.

So. Are you drowning in saliva yet BB?

for people who want to compare different oneworld programs...if you credit the same itinerary to CX (Asia Miles / The Marco Polo Club)...you will only be getting 120k miles (only base miles and class of service bonus, no elite bonus)...and, depending on the exact number of miles (120k), you may or may not get top tier oneworld status, because we need 120,000 miles to reach the top tier, not 85k or 100k...

tedhl
My understanding (perhaps flawed) is that the Marco Polo Club is separate from Asia Miles and that you can earn Marco Polo status without having your mileage credited to Asia Miles. Is this correct?
Does this mean that for the above itinerary you could get top tier status in the Marco Polo Club (just), top tier status in Canadian and the 180000 CanadianPlus miles?
Also does MPC run by calendar year or membership year?
Thanks for any info.

[This message has been edited by 3544quebec (edited 03-09-99).]

yes, The Marco Polo Club (or, in short, The Club) is separate from Asia Miles...at least it's the way I see it...as an elite member of The Club, you don't really get any benefits in Asia Miles...no elite bonus, no priority in getting awards, etc...but you get the same membership number in both programs and I think internally they should be keeping the record together...just that they try to show them as two separate programs...

and, they would anticipate most people to join only Asia Miles and not necessarily The Club...only the more frequent travelers would do so because there's an application fee of US$50 to join The Club...Asia Miles is free...

regarding getting credits in two programs...the only situation in which you can earn status miles/sectors (Club Miles / Sectors) in The Club and have the actual mileage credited to another oneworld program is with BA's Executive Club, or at least it's the only one that I'm aware of...but even in this case, they have stated explicitly that you won't get status with the Executive Club...and you have to be a resident of certain countries to be eligible for this arrangement...

I think The Club runs by membership year...and, in fact, I'm still not 100% how it works exactly...I've heard that, for example, when you have 30k Club Miles or 20 Club Sectors and reach Silver, the count will be reset and starts from 0 again...you will then have to earn 60k Club Miles or 40 Club Sectors within the next 12 months to get to the next (Gold) level, and not really the incremental 30k/20...but, as I said, I'm still not sure...

I'm still kind of new to the programs (The Club / Asia Miles)...and I think their rules are not really that well spelled out...

I like that RTW thread - thank you. I myself know nothing about the Oneworld RTW - and I am happy to learn and compare. I feel quite competent with the StarAlliance RTW-possibilites:

3544quebec: "One of my Star Alliance 38000 mile RTW fares came to ...38000 miles on the button". You can get credit for more miles (and status miles) with StarAlliance than the ticket-limits. On short segments the tarifs are calculated on effectif miles, the credits on minimum miles - in january I only paid the 32'000 miles tarif - but the base miles credit totalized 33'680 (plus bonus of 100% for paying/flying business), because we had some small (european) segments: Zurich-Copenhague and Frankfurt - Zurich.




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thanks for the feedback tedhl. It all sounds too complicated. Besides Lounge access are there any real benefits to Club membership?
You're right Rudi.
The actual mileage was 38000 but crediting in Miles and More with 1000 mile minimums brought it up to 43761 multiplied by class of service bonuses.
I actually had the shorter segments credited to my Mileage Plus account to get the 50000 mile Star Alliance bonus and the 10000 mile Anniversary Quiz bonus. So with a 1st class ticket I ended up with 100000 M+M status points plus 27000 elite level qualifier points and 70000 Mileage Plus points.
A few weeks back while I was in Ecuador you asked about the Senator upgrade cheque books. The coupons are valid for a pre-confirmed or standby upgrade on any published fare and the points are deducted as listed in the M+M award table.
As a bonus at Xmas Lufthansa sent a free system-wide standby upgrade certificate with the same rules valid for 12 months.

thank you for the LH Senator Info - I am getting closer and closer to it.