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December:
31: STR-HEL (princesstravel, topperchris+1)

January:
1: HEL-CAN (princesstravel, topperchris+1)
9: CAN-HEL (princesstravel)
10: HEL-STR (princesstravel)
10 STR-HEL (beyounged)
11 HEL-CAN (beyounged)
12: CAN-HEL (topperchris+1)
13: HEL-STR (topperchris+1)

February:
02 CAN-HEL (beyounged)
03 HEL-STR (beyounged)
04: STR-HEL(jarza)
05: HEL-CAN (jarza)
09: CAN-HEL (jarza)
10: HEL-STR (jarza)
11: STR-HEL (Pabloco + MrsPabloco)
12: HEL-CAN (Pabloco + MrsPabloco)
18: AY1452 STR-HEL (ChocolateFactory)
18: AY97 HEL-CAN (ChocolateFactory)
21 STR-HEL (beyounged)
21: HAJ-HEL (nilsrtw)
22 HEL-CAN (beyounged, nilsrtw)
23: AY98 CAN-HEL (ChocolateFactory)
23: AY1453 HEL-STR (ChocolateFactory)
27: CAN-HEL (Pabloco + MrsPabloco)
28: HEL-STR (Pabloco + MrsPabloco)

March:
01: CAN-HEL (nilsrtw)
02: HEL-HAJ (nilsrtw)
06: AY1460 HAJ-HEL (ChocolateFactory)
07: AY97 HEL-CAN (ChocolateFactory)
15: AY98 CAN-HEL (ChocolateFactory)
16: AY1459 HEL-HAJ (ChocolateFactory)
19 CAN-HEL(beyounged)
20 HEL-HAJ (beyounged)
27 HAJ-HEL (beyounged)
28 HEL-CAN (beyounged)

April:
08: BLQ-HEL (sam2511, IrishStephen+3, mster+1,)
08: HEL-CAN (sam2511)
08: HEL-HKG (mster+1)
09: HEL-HKG (IrishStephen+3)
14: HKG-HEL (mster+1)
15: HEL-BLQ (mster+1, HypnoticSpector)
15: BLQ-HEL (mster+1)
15: HEL-HKG (mster+1)
15: HEL-CAN (HypnoticSpector)
17: STR-HEL (topperchris+1)
18: HEL-CAN (topperchris+1)
21: HKG-HEL-BLQ (sam2511 + beyounged, mster+1)
21: AY1452 STR-HEL (Nancy)
21: HKG-HEL (IrishStephen+3)
22: AY97 HEL-CAN (Nancy)
22: AY BLQ-HEL-HKG (piotrger, mster+1)
22: AY BLQ-HEL (dimitriyremerov+1)
22: HEL-HKG (NextWhiteDeath)
23: AY101 HEL-HKG (dimitriyremerov+1)
28: AY100 HKG-HEL (Nancy, piotrger, NextWhiteDeath)
28: AY102 HKG-HEL (mster+1)
29: AY1771 HEL-BLQ (Nancy, mster+1)
29: AY BLQ-HEL-HKG (NGX)
30: AY102 HKG-HEL (dimitriyremerov+1)

May:
02: AY1774 BLQ-HEL (Majuki)
03: AY101 HEL-HKG (Majuki)
03: CAN-HEL (topperchris+1)
04: HEL-STR (topperchris+1)
05: AY HKG-HEL (NGX)
06: BLQ-HEL (Carnaby, Calchas, Woodbinerich)
06: HEL-HKG (Carnaby, Calchas, Woodbinerich, NGX)
08: STR-HEL (justin1123)
09: BLQ-HEL (sydneyguy1234)
10: HEL-HKG (sydneyguy1234)
10: AY1458 HAJ-HEL (ChocolateFactory)
10: AY97 HEL-CAN (ChocolateFactory)
10: HKG-HEL (Calchas)
11: HEL-CAN (justin1123)
12: HKG-HEL (Woodbinerich)
12: CAN-HEL (HypnoticSpector)
13: AY100 HKG-HEL (Majuki)
13: BLQ-HEL-CAN (Danusa86)
13: AY1771 HEL-BLQ (Majuki, Woodbinerich)
13: AY1772 BLQ-HEL (MKBshaw, spiiker+1)
13: AY97 HEL-CAN (MKBshaw, spiiker+1)
15: HKG-HEL (Carnaby)
16: HEL-BLQ (Carnaby)
16: BLQ-HEL (surbitonflyer+1, HypnoticSpector, Isochronous)
17: AY 97 STR-CAN (Lizie)
17: AY98 CAN-HEL (ChocolateFactory)
17: AY1459 HEL-HAJ (ChocolateFactory)
17: HEL-HKG (surbitonflyer+1, HypnoticSpector, Isochronous)
19: AY98 CAN-HEL (MKBshaw, spiiker+1, Danusa86)
20: AY1771 HEL-BLQ (MKBshaw, spiiker+1, Danusa86);
21: STR-HEL (ICPUI, multivitamin, w00tzen, zumabeach)
22: AY97 HEL-CAN (multivitamin, w00tzen, ICPUI)
23: BLQ-HEL (joeyzzz)
23: HEL-CAN (zumabeach)
24: HEL-HKG (joeyzzz)
24: CAN-HEL (ICPUI)
25: HEL-STR (ICPUI)
26: HKG-HEL (surbitonflyer+1, sydneyguy1234)
27: AY1772 BLQ-HEL (skycruiserNL, flightgrabber)
27: AY101 HEL-HKG (skycruiserNL, flightgrabber)
27: HEL-BLQ (surbitonflyer+1, sydneyguy1234)

30: CAN-HEL (joeyzzz)
30: HEL-BLQ (joeyzzz)
30: BLQ-HEL (armouredant+1, seantheman)
31: HEL-HKG (armouredant+1, seantheman)
31: CAN-HEL (multivitamin, w00tzen)

June:
01: HEL-STR (multivitamin, w00tzen)
02: HKG-HEL (skycruiserNL)
02: CAN-HEL (justin1123)
03: BLQ-HEL (elpuerto)
03: HEL-HKG (elpuerto)
03: HEL-BLQ (skycruiserNL)
03: HEL-STR (justin1123)
09: HKG-HEL (elpuerto, seantheman)
10: HKG-HEL (armouredant+1)
10: HEL-BLQ (armouredant+1, seantheman)
10: BLQ-HEL (skycruiserNL)
10: HEL-CAN (skycruiserNL)
12: AY100 HKG-HEL (flightgrabber)
13: AY1773 HEL-BLQ (flightgrabber)
13: HEL-BLQ (elpuerto)
14: CAN-HEL (zumabeach)
15: HEL-HAJ (zumabeach)
16: CAN-HEL (skycruiserNL)
16: HKG-HEL (Isochronous, HypnoticSpector)
17: HEL-BLQ (skycruiserNL, Isochronous, HypnoticSpector)
18: STR-HEL (davem4, thebigben)
19: HEL-CAN (davem4, thebigben)
24: BLQ-HEL (GetSetJetSet)
24: HEL-CAN (GetSetJetSet, sluneckov)
25: CAN-HEL (davem4, thebigben,)
26: HEL-STR (davem4, thebigben)
28: CAN-HEL (sluneckov)
28: CAN-HEL (GetSetJetSet)

September:
18: STR-HEL (kiez)
19: HEL-CAN (kiez)
26: CAN-HEL (kiez)
26: HEL-STR (kiez)
30: BLQ-HEL (davistev)
30: HEL-HKG (davistev)

October:
07: HKG-HEL (davistev)
07: HEL-BLQ (davistev)

November:
04: DUS-HEL (kevinflyaway+1)
04: HEL-HKG (kevinflyaway+1)
08: HKG-HEL (kevinflyaway+1)
08: HEL-DUS (kevinflyaway+1)

February 2023
24: ZRH-HEL (flylikelinz+1)
24: HEL-HKG (flylikelinz+1)

March 2023
05: HKG-HEL (flylikelinz+1)
05: HEL-ZRH (flylikelinz+1)

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Jan 25, 2021, 1:13 pm

#1231

Short hair Francis

Join Date: Sep 2007

Location: HKG/YVR/NYC

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Quote:

Originally Posted by keitherson

Can't make any voluntary changes unless there's a cancellation is what the last few Finnair chat representatives have told me. Entire thing reprices, ticket is out of validity, etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by ck_cologne

Same issue here, went to the international page, went to my booking. Only one button available "Cancellation"

Refresh my memory, was this ticket ever "Voluntary Changeable" at any given moment due to waiver?
I always remember the original ticketing rules was rather strict "No Change, No Refund, No Nothing"

Every single time I've made a re-issue was "Invol" due to schedule changes, which has continued to save my Bacon

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonMacPherson

I called AY UK on either 13 or 14 Jan to change the flight departing 15th returning earlying Feb to coming xmas returning new year with no issues to HKG.

Wanted to change destination to japan but had not been successful for the last 4 months.

Another data point to report back.
Method Used - US Chat

Rebooked to End of Schedule, still IT - HKG.

Took the agent about 15 mins to rebooked, auto-rebook apparently accepted the last schedule change even though I didn't agree to it.
And that change was flying +4 days later, uh... I don't think so

I just keep changing origins between MXP and FCO and Finnair has never blinked an eye

Jan 25, 2021, 8:44 pm

#1232

Majuki

Join Date: Jul 2009

Location: SJC

Programs: AA, AS, Marriott

Posts: 6,064

Quote:

Originally Posted by Short hair Francis

Refresh my memory, was this ticket ever "Voluntary Changeable" at any given moment due to waiver?
I always remember the original ticketing rules was rather strict "No Change, No Refund, No Nothing"

I'm wondering if this will go longer than the CX Vietnam fare.

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Jan 26, 2021, 3:55 pm

#1233

Short hair Francis

Join Date: Sep 2007

Location: HKG/YVR/NYC

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Posts: 3,697

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majuki

I'm wondering if this will go longer than the CX Vietnam fare.

LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

Hard to say, its got a shot. 😀

CX Vietnam was 1/1/2019 original ticketing.
AY was 10/27/2019, at least for my tickets.

However, CX is only rebooking for the 1st few days when the route gets reinstated (repeatedly deferred) 🤣.
AY HKG is moreso 99.7% of the world is not qualified for entry, despite HEL-HKG is still running 2x weekly right now.

AY also seems to be willing to do INVOLs and look the other way on alot of rules provided your origin/destination country remains the same.
- Add/Remove HEL >24 hrs stopovers
- Switch different IT cities
- Change from Round trip to Open jaw A-B-C to Open Jaw C-B-A

I say AY tickets have a chance of lasting longer, if you catch the right time to use an INVOL and travel curtain starts drawing down.
Way happier to have my hands clean with CX and just need to deal with AY going forward.

And of course one's willingness to embrace HK's Ministry of Love

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Jan 26, 2021, 11:08 pm

#1234

Majuki

Join Date: Jul 2009

Location: SJC

Programs: AA, AS, Marriott

Posts: 6,064

Quote:

Originally Posted by Short hair Francis

AY was 10/27/2019, at least for my tickets.

I refunded at the earliest opportunity - made some money on the exchange rate too!

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Feb 3, 2021, 8:29 am

#1235

GordonMacPherson

Join Date: Sep 2020

Programs: BA Gold; ex JAL JGCP

Posts: 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by Short hair Francis

And of course one's willingness to embrace HK's Ministry of Love

since AY admits HK is a seperate country from china, there is not a lot of places you can reroute your destination outside of Hong Kong. (Allegedly someone moved to BKK or sth when travel restrictions were first initiated last year)

Feb 17, 2021, 6:18 am

#1236

kaskas

Join Date: Nov 2017

Posts: 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by keitherson

Can't make any voluntary changes unless there's a cancellation is what the last few Finnair chat representatives have told me. Entire thing reprices, ticket is out of validity, etc

I had a chat last week and was told by the rep that even if one is not allowed to enter the country due to restrictions, AY wont offer a free rebooking (anymore?). Only a refund may be possible.

So was happy to receive a "schedule change" mail from AY yesterday. They seem to have cancelled AY101 to HKG for whole 2021. Shouldnt be a problem to rebook to 2022 now? (or is there a max ticket validity?)

Feb 17, 2021, 8:26 am

#1237

claus4321

Join Date: Mar 2016

Posts: 29

The validity of the ticket is twelve months. That's what it says in small print. I was denied a rebooking based on this regulation. It also didn't help to refer to the EU rules and laws. I was simply ignored. My impression was that they now want to get rid of these tickets and also do not want to waste time and nerves to constantly worry about the rebooking.

Feb 17, 2021, 11:35 am

#1238

Granite64

Join Date: Feb 2014

Programs: Star Alliance Gold, AS MVP

Posts: 990

Quote:

Originally Posted by claus4321

I really don't get that, we are the only pax on the world who don't want a refund.. Then there are invol changes which means EC261 and they ignore it..

Just let us rebook, so we can fly and they get to keep the cash; so everyone is happy.

Feb 18, 2021, 3:24 am

#1239

Calchas

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Location: London

Posts: 17,007

Quote:

Originally Posted by claus4321

Twelve month validity is an IATA regulation, not AY’s choice.

It’s also a technical irrelevance, because AY can reissue (replace) the ticket in this situation though.

Feb 18, 2021, 3:31 am

#1240

KARFA

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Location: Leeds, UK

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Posts: 42,982

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calchas

Twelve month validity is an IATA regulation, not AY’s choice.

Overcome by re-issuing a new ticket?

I keep hearing this point and yet there are plenty of reports from various airlines of people getting bookings moved well beyond a year from when they were originally made (me included) and yet the sky hasn’t fallen in despite this IATA rule?

Feb 20, 2021, 3:31 pm

#1241

NextWhiteDeath

Join Date: Mar 2019

Location: DK

Programs: A3 Gold, BA Silver

Posts: 869

Quote:

Originally Posted by KARFA

It is a rule on the ticket but reissuing the ticket resets its validity in the system. It is just a limitation on that specific ticket. Reissuing is a airline decision as the airline can set whatever price they like and whatever flexibility they want to offer.

Feb 21, 2021, 3:02 pm

#1242

Granite64

Join Date: Feb 2014

Programs: Star Alliance Gold, AS MVP

Posts: 990

Quote:

Originally Posted by NextWhiteDeath

I get that, but an INVOL change is an INVOL change so EC261 applies.

Feb 22, 2021, 10:16 am

#1243

NextWhiteDeath

Join Date: Mar 2019

Location: DK

Programs: A3 Gold, BA Silver

Posts: 869

Quote:

Originally Posted by Granite64

I get that, but an INVOL change is an INVOL change so EC261 applies.

Still depends on the airline. Some airlines will allow you to extend the trip after the validity ends. While other will say that you can do it till end of schedule. It might not be completely compatible with EU 261 but to make them go past the validity would push you to take legal action.

Feb 22, 2021, 5:09 pm

#1244

Calchas

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Location: London

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KARFA

Indeed, it can be fixed with a reissue -- what I intended to say is, I think that's where this idea of a twelve month rule comes from.

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Feb 28, 2021, 2:16 pm

#1245

thanaset

Join Date: Feb 2014

Location: Munich

Programs: TK Elite, Hilton Diamond

Posts: 244

The Live Chat on the Finland site was really hard for me, it was so easy before but I was able to change it to the end of October via the UK site.

The Finnish Live Chat told me that I have to rebook in the original departure and destination, even thought my ticket has been rebooked in MUC-HKG already for about 2 times. I then asked her, what should I do if I already flown one of the flights and then she replied back that she would have to consult with her supervisor!!! She also said that this policy has been approved by her supervisor and there is no need to escalate the issue to the upper level! She told me to accept the new flights (still MUC-HKG) that have been rebooked for me or get the full refund!!!