Apr 16, 2018, 4:15 pm
Last edit by: dayone
This thread (post #5 from Marriott Rewards Insider) has the official announcement of changes effective later in 2018.
An earlier, speculative discussion appears in the following closed thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...tus-tiers.html
An earlier, speculative discussion appears in the following closed thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...tus-tiers.html
Official announcement – See how our three loyalty programs will become one in August
Apr 16, 2018, 10:49 pm
#181
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: LA
Posts: 1,281
After reading their page, i see they state Platinum in August will become Platinum premier. It then states those with 100 nights and $20k spend with become PP with ambassador.
what do the current Platinum Premiers become then?
what do the current Platinum Premiers become then?
Apr 16, 2018, 11:47 pm
#182
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Charleston, SC, USA
Programs: Avis Pref+, Hyatt Explorist, Marriott Life Gold, Honors Silver, IHG Plat via MC.
Posts: 6,786
I bet Willbur's guesses are mostly right. But he made one small mistake of typing Starwood Cat. 5 twice where he obviously means Cat. 6 for the second one!
BTW, has anybody seen the contents of those boxes which were not to be opened early under penalty of who knows what?
BTW, has anybody seen the contents of those boxes which were not to be opened early under penalty of who knows what?
Last edited by Brendan; Apr 16, 2018 at 11:54 pm
Apr 17, 2018, 12:01 am
#183
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,989
As it is, the current Plat Premier qualification is unknown.
Could be due to high spent, could be due to high nights, could already be due to high spent + high nights that might already compares to new Plat Premiere (Ambassador)
I think ultimately just match against the new requirements and get an estimate.
But if I have to guess, it is most likely <PLATINUM PREMIER ELITE (100 NIGHTS + $20K QUALIFYING SPEND)>
Apr 17, 2018, 12:28 am
#184
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Milano (Italy)
Programs: Marriott TITANIUM, BWR Dia, IHG, Millemiglia Alitalia
Posts: 486
So, if everyone is also Marriott Gold (as per status match T&C), technically everyone will be Plat in the new programme, and no Golds will exist.
This is from a legal point of view.
Apr 17, 2018, 12:29 am
#185
Join Date: Jan 2018
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Ambassador Elite, United Premier Silver, National Executive Elite
Posts: 151
I currently have 437 lifetime nights and 1.7 million points on my Marriott account.
I have 20 lifetime nights on my SPG account.
If I want to qualify for Lifetime Gold (i.e. the new Lifetime Plat) before December 31, do I need 43 more nights or 63 more nights?
Does anyone know?
Thanks!
I have 20 lifetime nights on my SPG account.
If I want to qualify for Lifetime Gold (i.e. the new Lifetime Plat) before December 31, do I need 43 more nights or 63 more nights?
Does anyone know?
Thanks!
Apr 17, 2018, 12:37 am
#186
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Location: Pittsburgh
Programs: MR/SPG LT Titanium, AA LT PLT, UA SLV, Avis PreferredPlus
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Apr 17, 2018, 12:40 am
#187
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Until the hotels are assigned to the new category structure, there's no telling how it will be.
With just seven categories in the August 2018 structure -- and the need to reassign hotels from all the current Marriott categories, SPG categories, and RC tiers -- some will go up and some will down in points required. And, yes, it will be an opportunity to nudge some hotels upward, especially some Marriott category 9 properties.
My guess is that most hotels that are now 35,000 Rewards points (or 12,000 SPG points) will still be 35,000 points, but will have a different category assignment. After all, Rewards and SPG just did a category adjustment last month.
The people on this board who are predicting a massive devaluation are probably panicking needlessly.
With just seven categories in the August 2018 structure -- and the need to reassign hotels from all the current Marriott categories, SPG categories, and RC tiers -- some will go up and some will down in points required. And, yes, it will be an opportunity to nudge some hotels upward, especially some Marriott category 9 properties.
My guess is that most hotels that are now 35,000 Rewards points (or 12,000 SPG points) will still be 35,000 points, but will have a different category assignment. After all, Rewards and SPG just did a category adjustment last month.
The people on this board who are predicting a massive devaluation are probably panicking needlessly.
Apr 17, 2018, 12:50 am
#188
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Apr 17, 2018, 12:56 am
#189
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Is it just me or is there an alarming number of people who seem unable to read? The details are quite clear for most of the parameters in the new program. And yet so many people are asking questions about details that are patently clear from the Marriott new program website.
5th after night is gone!! I’m losing 2/3 of my SPG points!! 35k rooms are obviously now 90k!!
Apr 17, 2018, 1:00 am
#190
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,108
I don't see any way that this won't be a devaluation. The only question is how bad it will be. I hope the free toast and juice will compensate for that.
The popular Caribbean properties that are sitting at 40-45k for a dumpster/limited dumpster view currently will go to 50k minimum. That is a devaluation. That's on top of the cash and points fees implemented in the past few years if you want a partial ocean view, and resort fees at some locations.
The other group of properties that will likely get jacked up are the nice downtown properties that have no trouble selling rooms. NYC, LA, Miami, Charleston, San Diego, etc. are likely not going down in points. Those will go to 50k, and then eventually higher with peak pricing.
I'm glad I already booked my early 2019 travel. I will need to get the rest of my travel booked before August, to avoid devaluation.
The popular Caribbean properties that are sitting at 40-45k for a dumpster/limited dumpster view currently will go to 50k minimum. That is a devaluation. That's on top of the cash and points fees implemented in the past few years if you want a partial ocean view, and resort fees at some locations.
The other group of properties that will likely get jacked up are the nice downtown properties that have no trouble selling rooms. NYC, LA, Miami, Charleston, San Diego, etc. are likely not going down in points. Those will go to 50k, and then eventually higher with peak pricing.
I'm glad I already booked my early 2019 travel. I will need to get the rest of my travel booked before August, to avoid devaluation.
Apr 17, 2018, 1:11 am
#191
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: Hilton Diamond, Marriott Titanium, Radisson Gold, Hyatt Globalist, M life Gold, IHG Spire
Posts: 918
Background - I was PP for 8 years, then switched to SPG to get an ambassador because the PP 'benefits' were suspect, inconsistent and not tangible.
- Marriott's insistence of using the term 'Platinum' is annoying as the biggest issue I found was the front desk just read 'Platinum' and stopped there.
- Marriott's insistence of using the term 'Platinum' is annoying as the biggest issue I found was the front desk just read 'Platinum' and stopped there.
Apr 17, 2018, 1:14 am
#192
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Apr 17, 2018, 1:26 am
#193
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,108
I've been focusing on spending and earning for the Ritz program, anticipating a future trip to Hong Kong which I can now see will be far out of reach. Transferring my points back to SPG is useless as I've got around 100K in Marriott/Ritz and the transfer ratio would decimate that; I wouldn't be able to do anything with the leftover balance. When the programs merge in August, I expect my points to be equally worthless. I'm not complaining, but had I known a few months sooner, I'd have planned things differently. I wasn't planning to book any more travel in 2019 but now I'm trying to figure out how to run through my balance. Mexico City would've been easy since I'm in NorCal, but it's all SPG properties until the Ritz opens up next year. If SPG allowed members to book award stays before matching the necessary points (like Marriott/Ritz) I'd be all set. I may get on the horn with customer service tomorrow to ask whether that would somehow be feasible. I think I was able to do it for a trip to Italy a couple of years ago by calling Starwood directly.
Apr 17, 2018, 1:32 am
#194
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 2,120
So after working my way through this thread and the spg one I think I may have wrapped my head around things:
In 2017 I did a Platinum Challenge with Marriott, covering me for 2017+18. I matched to spg, so also spg Platinum 2017+18.
Come August I should be Platinum Premiere Elite for remainder of 2018 due to Marriott Platinum.
Now I had been planning on 25 stays with spg to requalify for 2019, but as I see it, there is no advantage to that over requalifying via 50 nights combined stays, as spg Plat = Plat Elite anyway. I already have some Marriott stays and a couple multinight stays with spg, so it's actually more of a pain for me to scrounge up 25 spg-specific stays. Is my logic correct?
In 2017 I did a Platinum Challenge with Marriott, covering me for 2017+18. I matched to spg, so also spg Platinum 2017+18.
Come August I should be Platinum Premiere Elite for remainder of 2018 due to Marriott Platinum.
Now I had been planning on 25 stays with spg to requalify for 2019, but as I see it, there is no advantage to that over requalifying via 50 nights combined stays, as spg Plat = Plat Elite anyway. I already have some Marriott stays and a couple multinight stays with spg, so it's actually more of a pain for me to scrounge up 25 spg-specific stays. Is my logic correct?
Apr 17, 2018, 1:40 am
#195
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: zurich
Programs: Miles&Smiles Gold
Posts: 509
A question:
In August I will be SPG Gold and Mariott Gold (through linking accounts)
What will be my new status in August Platinum or Gold ? How long will the status be vaild (My SPG Gold is to 02/2020) ?
Thanks
In August I will be SPG Gold and Mariott Gold (through linking accounts)
What will be my new status in August Platinum or Gold ? How long will the status be vaild (My SPG Gold is to 02/2020) ?
Thanks