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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
Jun 18, 2018, 8:12 pm
#3346
Join Date: May 2013
Location: DTW
Programs: AMEX, Ritz LT-Plat Prem, Hyatt Plat, SPG Plat, Hilton Diamond, Delta Plat, United Gold, Sixt Plat
Posts: 866
I think Marriott will convert the cat 1-5 floating certificate to the 45,000 points. This is the current rate if you no longer want the hotel stay. I also think Marriott will give us 3 months to attach a reservation to our floating certificate. After all, the idea of converting a floating certificate to points is not well advertise.
Jun 18, 2018, 8:25 pm
#3347
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,083
I'm treating it as a gamble where the odds are stacked in my favour. I think I'll get full value back (or a 7-night certificate mapped across to the new award chart) - because I don't believe Marriott want to screw their members that badly - but worst case scenario I'd have converted 75K SPG into 120K Alaska or 132K United and I can easily live with that as well.
Jun 18, 2018, 10:17 pm
#3348
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: SPG/Marriott Platinum
Posts: 5
I'm guessing craigthemif included the 45k refund on the certificate (15k spg).
Jun 19, 2018, 6:49 am
#3349
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Cullman, Alabama
Programs: Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold, IHG Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 648
So I am curious about T & P packages at Any Marriott Property, Any Where in the world. What is the best way to maximize this program given you have airfare and hotels up to category 8? What T & P packages have been the readers most enjoyable experiences at any type of destination. I am looking to utilize a T & P package in 2019 and want to get it assigned to a room prior to July 31 but am having a real hard time deciding where in the world we want to use it. Looking for suggestions on people having used a T & P Package and loved their choices.
Jun 19, 2018, 8:18 am
#3350
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: YYC
Programs: SPG Gold, Emerald Club Executive, Hertz 5 Star
Posts: 103
Jun 19, 2018, 8:23 am
#3351
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: FL
Programs: AA, BA, HH
Posts: 173
Are we all overthinking this........... I imagine they just move the hotel certificate down a category or two in the new system and provide a grace period for those hotels that tracked to a new category while your certificate went in the opposite direction. 13 categories down to 8 with some winners and some losers..... Converting the certificate to points may be an option but no way would they do that across the board it would create unhappy members or cost Marriott too many points....
Jun 19, 2018, 8:31 am
#3352
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: MCI
Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AS MVP, UA Silver, WN A-List, Marriott LT Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 52,575
I just finished a Cat 5 stay last week that would have been about $1200 paid. Not the sexiest award nor one where I chased max value-per-point - it was a trip more out of necessity than fun - but I would definitely seek to use the hotel portion as opposed to redepositing it.
Jun 19, 2018, 8:32 am
#3353
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 736
Are we all overthinking this........... I imagine they just move the hotel certificate down a category or two in the new system and provide a grace period for those hotels that tracked to a new category while your certificate went in the opposite direction. 13 categories down to 8 with some winners and some losers..... Converting the certificate to points may be an option but no way would they do that across the board it would create unhappy members or cost Marriott too many points....
Jun 19, 2018, 8:47 am
#3354
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: FL
Programs: AA, BA, HH
Posts: 173
Can someone point me in the direction of SPG Lurker's comments? Thanks!
Jun 19, 2018, 10:38 am
#3355
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 110
Certs can be downgraded for the difference in points right? Ie: If I buy a cat 6 cert I can move it to a cat 1-5 cert and be refunded 30k marriott?
I will more than likely have a long stay in a cat 6 in March, but am wondering what the new mappings will be (courtyard marriott miami downtown/brickell). I'm thinking about getting the cat 6 cert now, attaching to the reservation, and then once we find out more about the certs/hotel mappings in July decide what makes best sense.
I will more than likely have a long stay in a cat 6 in March, but am wondering what the new mappings will be (courtyard marriott miami downtown/brickell). I'm thinking about getting the cat 6 cert now, attaching to the reservation, and then once we find out more about the certs/hotel mappings in July decide what makes best sense.
Jun 19, 2018, 11:14 am
#3356
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: GVA
Programs: BA Silver (OW Sapphire), A3 Gold (*G), Bonvoy LTTE, HHonors Diamond, LeClubAccor Silver, UA Silver
Posts: 1,778
10. Question on the "floater certificates" being canceled and points redeposited into the account on Aug 1st. Does this include outstanding Marriott Travel packages here: Flight and Hotel Packages Marriott Hotel Packages
Floater certificates, including outstanding Marriott Travel Packages, will be cancelled and converted to equivalent points, credited to the member’s account for future redemption. <added by Starwood Lurker 18May18>
Jun 19, 2018, 11:46 am
#3357
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: FL
Programs: AA, BA, HH
Posts: 173
That is an interesting read and I'm going to assume we have a few people playing the long game on this and they will have multiple floats. If I had the points I'd dump a few million in..... No way they cancel and give you 45k when you have a piece of paper that says seven night stay....... 5th night free at 150k current so what is the equivalent? On the flip side SPG Lurker may be misinformed....
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Jun 19, 2018, 11:47 am
#3358
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Join Date: May 2001
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Programs: AA lifetime GLD; UA Silver; Marriott LTTE; IHG Plat,
Posts: 14,518
It seems the most obvious and fairest solution would have been to convert the certs to whatever new category best matches the old one, in terms of which hotels it would be valid for. The mapping wouldn't be perfect, but probably you could get fairly close, some small percentage of hotels that you're now short for, and a similar number of hotels that were above the category before but are now within it. But assuming William's answer is valid, they've decided not to do this for whatever reason.
So that really leaves only two possibilities. Convert to enough points to redeem a 7 night stay in the aforementioned approximately-mapped category, or convert to less. If they convert to less, the existing voluntary return level (e.g. 45K for the cat 5) seems most likely.
But if they convert for less, that would incur the ire of those who hold the floater certs, especially those who actually planned to redeem for a stay at property in that category in the program. Imagine the non-Flyertalker who redeems this month for the promise of a 7 night stay reservable for a year, only to be told 6 weeks later that all of a sudden, that cert is cancelled and to actually book that stay, you need to come up with over 100K more points.
So my hunch is that they'll cash out at full value (150K for cat5, etc.). But as others have pointed out, this presents a huge valuable opportunity to do a straight conversion of MR points 1:1 to much more valuable air miles. So if I'm right, there's no way there will be any advance notice of this. The disclosure of the value of the floater certs won't come until after it is no longer possible to redeem for the old travel packages, it can't. Most likely that's August when the new program launches, but I suppose it could come earlier, if MR is ok having some interim weeks when neither old now new travel packages are available.
For those hoping for the chance at a bargain MR to mile conversion, do you take that risk? I'm undecided but tempted.
So that really leaves only two possibilities. Convert to enough points to redeem a 7 night stay in the aforementioned approximately-mapped category, or convert to less. If they convert to less, the existing voluntary return level (e.g. 45K for the cat 5) seems most likely.
But if they convert for less, that would incur the ire of those who hold the floater certs, especially those who actually planned to redeem for a stay at property in that category in the program. Imagine the non-Flyertalker who redeems this month for the promise of a 7 night stay reservable for a year, only to be told 6 weeks later that all of a sudden, that cert is cancelled and to actually book that stay, you need to come up with over 100K more points.
So my hunch is that they'll cash out at full value (150K for cat5, etc.). But as others have pointed out, this presents a huge valuable opportunity to do a straight conversion of MR points 1:1 to much more valuable air miles. So if I'm right, there's no way there will be any advance notice of this. The disclosure of the value of the floater certs won't come until after it is no longer possible to redeem for the old travel packages, it can't. Most likely that's August when the new program launches, but I suppose it could come earlier, if MR is ok having some interim weeks when neither old now new travel packages are available.
For those hoping for the chance at a bargain MR to mile conversion, do you take that risk? I'm undecided but tempted.
Jun 19, 2018, 12:04 pm
#3359
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
That is an interesting read and I'm going to assume we have a few people playing the long game on this and they will have multiple floats. If I had the points I'd dump a few million in..... No way they cancel and give you 45k when you have a piece of paper that says seven night stay....... 5th night free at 150k current so what is the equivalent? On the flip side SPG Lurker may be misinformed....
SPG Lurker is THE ONLY SOURCE that we can get ANY OFFICIAL Information from Marriott. You should READ a lot more (and carefully) that Williams has said very early on, ANY of his comments has to be read and approved by the Marriott Loyalty Team before it can be posted.
Based on the fact that you are not aware where to get the official information thru the only (and unusual channel) until now, you may want to get up to speed versus wishful thinking / speculation on what might happen.
The FACT is, SPG Lurker is the "voice" Marriott chose, to give out official answers. He cannot give out any info that is not approved by Marriott Loyalty Team and he definitely is the one most informed, outside Marriott Loyal Team itself.
Jun 19, 2018, 12:10 pm
#3360
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
It seems the most obvious and fairest solution would have been to convert the certs to whatever new category best matches the old one, in terms of which hotels it would be valid for. The mapping wouldn't be perfect, but probably you could get fairly close, some small percentage of hotels that you're now short for, and a similar number of hotels that were above the category before but are now within it. But assuming William's answer is valid, they've decided not to do this for whatever reason.
So that really leaves only two possibilities. Convert to enough points to redeem a 7 night stay in the aforementioned approximately-mapped category, or convert to less. If they convert to less, the existing voluntary return level (e.g. 45K for the cat 5) seems most likely.
But if they convert for less, that would incur the ire of those who hold the floater certs, especially those who actually planned to redeem for a stay at property in that category in the program. Imagine the non-Flyertalker who redeems this month for the promise of a 7 night stay reservable for a year, only to be told 6 weeks later that all of a sudden, that cert is cancelled and to actually book that stay, you need to come up with over 100K more points.
So my hunch is that they'll cash out at full value (150K for cat5, etc.). But as others have pointed out, this presents a huge valuable opportunity to do a straight conversion of MR points 1:1 to much more valuable air miles. So if I'm right, there's no way there will be any advance notice of this. The disclosure of the value of the floater certs won't come until after it is no longer possible to redeem for the old travel packages, it can't. Most likely that's August when the new program launches, but I suppose it could come earlier, if MR is ok having some interim weeks when neither old now new travel packages are available.
For those hoping for the chance at a bargain MR to mile conversion, do you take that risk? I'm undecided but tempted.
So that really leaves only two possibilities. Convert to enough points to redeem a 7 night stay in the aforementioned approximately-mapped category, or convert to less. If they convert to less, the existing voluntary return level (e.g. 45K for the cat 5) seems most likely.
But if they convert for less, that would incur the ire of those who hold the floater certs, especially those who actually planned to redeem for a stay at property in that category in the program. Imagine the non-Flyertalker who redeems this month for the promise of a 7 night stay reservable for a year, only to be told 6 weeks later that all of a sudden, that cert is cancelled and to actually book that stay, you need to come up with over 100K more points.
So my hunch is that they'll cash out at full value (150K for cat5, etc.). But as others have pointed out, this presents a huge valuable opportunity to do a straight conversion of MR points 1:1 to much more valuable air miles. So if I'm right, there's no way there will be any advance notice of this. The disclosure of the value of the floater certs won't come until after it is no longer possible to redeem for the old travel packages, it can't. Most likely that's August when the new program launches, but I suppose it could come earlier, if MR is ok having some interim weeks when neither old now new travel packages are available.
For those hoping for the chance at a bargain MR to mile conversion, do you take that risk? I'm undecided but tempted.
If they really care about the fairness to the members who hold the floater certs, they would have announced the conversion mechanism by now, as the questions raided were back in Late April - we are in late June now - 2 months gone by and there is no answer.
On top of that, Marriott has said it would provide new hotel category charts effective Aug 1st, sometime in June - even leaked out some examples - again we are in late June already - where is the new chart information? Nada!
I am surprised after 2 months have gone by there are still folks seemingly have no idea of what is going on and there are still folks have all the wishful thinking on the conversion.
Those who speculate the 45K pts refund thus exchanged SPG pts to miles at a somewhat bargain rate, would most likely be on the target. Anything above that seems to be very wishful thinking at this stage of the "game".
For those who really want to use the hotel certs instead of getting point refunds, the most prudent way is to attach the cert to a hotel stay as far in the future as possible, so no floater cert subj to involuntary conversion.