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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
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MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
IMPORTANT! Possible Points Advance Implications of March 5 category changes: There’s a (potential) issue with the category changes and Points Advance reservations. Marriott included the following information when they emailed some of us about the upcoming changes: “Points Advance — Members who wish to book a points advance redemption under the current Marriott Rewards and SPG award chart are encouraged to order redemption certificates before March 5 to lock in the rate. On March 5, redemption bookings are subject to the new unified program award chart.” We’ve reached out to Marriott to confirm the practical implications of this verbiage, as it sounds like Points Advance reservations will revert to the new pricing if they don’t have certificates attached prior to March 5. To be on the safe side, if your hotel is increasing in category be sure your TP certificate is attached to the reservation before March 5.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
- OC5=530T/P530 is now NC4 QP53
- OC6=570T/P570 is now NC4 QP53
- OC7=610T/P610 is now NC5 QP61 (refund value: 45K)
- OC8=650T/P650 is now NC5 QP?? (Refund value: 75k)
- OC9=690T/P690 is now NC6 QP69
- NC4 QP83 = OC5 830T/P830 (refund value: 45K)
- NC4 QP87 = OC6 870T/P870 (refund value: 75K)
- NC5 QP91 = OC7 910T/P910 (refund value: 105K)
- NC5 QP95 = OC8 950T/P950 (refund value: 135K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC9 990T/P990 (refund value: 165K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC Tier 1-3 L830 (refund value: 195K)
- NC7 QL87 = OC Tier 4-5 L870 (refund value: 315K)
- NC5 QP88 = OC7 P880 (refund value: 135K)
- NC5 QP92 = OC8 P920 (refund value: 165K)
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
************************************************** *******
MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
New data point for the new year.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
The new award redemption chart will not impact Travel Packages. After these changes go into effect, you'll be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.
Travel Package General Discussion Thread
#1081
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 706
I have a question - in theory, what would happen if you have a hotel booked on a points advance reservation and it goes up in price but don’t have the certificate attached. Are you still able to attach to existing reservation if it goes up?
#1082
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: DFW
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium, HH Gold, AA Lifetime Gold, United Silver, BA Gold
Posts: 864
#1083
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: DFW
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium, HH Gold, AA Lifetime Gold, United Silver, BA Gold
Posts: 864
Thats a 2 category upgrade. I believe you need 120K points
#1084
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Programs: Marriott Titanium Elite (Lifetime Gold), United 1K
Posts: 128
#1085
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Barcelona, London, on a plane
Programs: BA Silver, TK E+, AA PP, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 13,047
#1086
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 600
I have an OC9 attached to a reservation. If I detach the reservation from the OC9, I believe it will become an NC6 based on the data here. Now my question is if the NC6 (which should have a new expr date) can be used to book a category 7 hotel which currently costs 60k per night.
For example, I want to book W Maldives using NC6 before March 2019 (before it goes up above 70k). Does anybody know or want to share your thoughts?
For example, I want to book W Maldives using NC6 before March 2019 (before it goes up above 70k). Does anybody know or want to share your thoughts?
#1087
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
I have an OC9 attached to a reservation. If I detach the reservation from the OC9, I believe it will become an NC6 based on the data here. Now my question is if the NC6 (which should have a new expr date) can be used to book a category 7 hotel which currently costs 60k per night.
For example, I want to book W Maldives using NC6 before March 2019 (before it goes up above 70k). Does anybody know or want to share your thoughts?
For example, I want to book W Maldives using NC6 before March 2019 (before it goes up above 70k). Does anybody know or want to share your thoughts?
#1088
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Simply having the points cost go up should not be a factor with an existing reservation. I am not sure what happens if the hotel goes up in category and the cert you want to apply does not cover the new category. Is the existing res tied to the category at the time the reservation was made? Someone should have previous experience with this from the OC travel packages.
#1090
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 706
I believe once you make the reservation and lock in the price the price will not change unless you make a change to the reservation that would cause it to reprice the points required (which the certificate does not do). Looking at it another way, once you lock in the points price by making the reservation with a points advance, if you pay for the reservation later in points the cost will not change. Similarly, if you pay later with a cert the cost should not change so long as the cert covers the points cost needed by the existing reservation.
Simply having the points cost go up should not be a factor with an existing reservation. I am not sure what happens if the hotel goes up in category and the cert you want to apply does not cover the new category. Is the existing res tied to the category at the time the reservation was made? Someone should have previous experience with this from the OC travel packages.
Simply having the points cost go up should not be a factor with an existing reservation. I am not sure what happens if the hotel goes up in category and the cert you want to apply does not cover the new category. Is the existing res tied to the category at the time the reservation was made? Someone should have previous experience with this from the OC travel packages.
#1092
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,762
I guess for upgrade to only one level up is easier than jumps two levels. Hope the poster have better luck with UK agents and achieve a 2 levels upgrade.
#1093
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,762
ahh yes you're right
That's how I interpreted this as well. Not really a travel package question but a 35k free night w/ credit card question. I'm locking in a few nights at 35k and am hoping to use a certificate or two to cover. I'm assuming the thinking is the same regardless of which certificate you have though.
That's how I interpreted this as well. Not really a travel package question but a 35k free night w/ credit card question. I'm locking in a few nights at 35k and am hoping to use a certificate or two to cover. I'm assuming the thinking is the same regardless of which certificate you have though.
#1094
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Programs: Marriott Platinum, HH Diamond, BW Diamond Select
Posts: 469
Advice - I have a OC7 that expires in early Aug. Was planning on using it the NC5 in June, but plans have changed and would like to use it for late Aug (after expiration date). Should I 1) book for something before the expiration to convert the cert and hope the expiration is extended and then rebook for Aug trip or 2) ask the rep to convert and hope I can just book for the trip I want there and then? What's the easiest way to do this?
#1095
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
Advice - I have a OC7 that expires in early Aug. Was planning on using it the NC5 in June, but plans have changed and would like to use it for late Aug (after expiration date). Should I 1) book for something before the expiration to convert the cert and hope the expiration is extended and then rebook for Aug trip or 2) ask the rep to convert and hope I can just book for the trip I want there and then? What's the easiest way to do this?