The Tokyo EDITION Toranomon, Minato-ku, Tokyo [Master Thread]
#61
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#64
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Has anyone else stayed here? I am considering staying at the Edition, Tokyo Aman or Tokyo Four Season Otemachi for a two night stay after a direct flight from DFW before leaving for Osaka.
Edition has the following rooms I am considering:
King Bed Balcony City View 546sf - $638 per night
Suite, 1 King Bed, City View 753sf - $708 per night
Premier Suite, 1 Bedroom City View 969sf $811 per night
Aman :
Deluxe Palace Garden View King 764sf -$863 per night
Premier King 861sf - $932 per night
Four Seasons Otemachi :
Superior Room, 1 King Bed, Garden View (Imperial) 527sf - $626 per night
Deluxe Room, 1 King Bed, Garden View (Imperial) 581sf - $742 per night
Studio, 1 King Bed 656 sf - $863 per night.
Thoughts?
Edition has the following rooms I am considering:
King Bed Balcony City View 546sf - $638 per night
Suite, 1 King Bed, City View 753sf - $708 per night
Premier Suite, 1 Bedroom City View 969sf $811 per night
Aman :
Deluxe Palace Garden View King 764sf -$863 per night
Premier King 861sf - $932 per night
Four Seasons Otemachi :
Superior Room, 1 King Bed, Garden View (Imperial) 527sf - $626 per night
Deluxe Room, 1 King Bed, Garden View (Imperial) 581sf - $742 per night
Studio, 1 King Bed 656 sf - $863 per night.
Thoughts?
#65
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I am here now for a week-long stay.
It's an endlessly interesting property and I am really impressed so far.
I booked a Terrace Loft and it's an outstanding category. I would recommend booking the two Twin in this cat, over the King. The Twin has a kitchenette and has a much better layout.
GM and exec team are very visible and engaged. I think like Andaz it will take time to adapt the Edition concept to Japanese culture.
It's an endlessly interesting property and I am really impressed so far.
I booked a Terrace Loft and it's an outstanding category. I would recommend booking the two Twin in this cat, over the King. The Twin has a kitchenette and has a much better layout.
GM and exec team are very visible and engaged. I think like Andaz it will take time to adapt the Edition concept to Japanese culture.
#66
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 1,217
OK, so I have stayed here a few times over the last three months. Overall, my impressions are mixed.
The hotel is mostly great, but it's completely lacking omotenashi, and it's not in the elite top tier of Tokyo luxury hotels (Aman, PHT, MO, Palace, Hoshinoya, and a few others. Sometimes Andaz.). In other words, this hotel could be in London or Los Angeles, and you would never know if you didn't look out the window.
The Tokyo Edition is also very influencer-driven, which makes my skin crawl. The crowd is odd, and the people watching is quite sad, actually.
Physical plant is high-quality, but the light color furnishings are already somewhat worn and stained.
The GM and rooms director are very accessible and eager to help. The concierge is well-intended but nothing special. They were competent are executing my detailed and specific instructions, and did propose some interesting options, but no "magic".
Location is solid if Minato City is where you want to be based.
Breakfast is table service, but buffet quality.
Some things I learned which were not proactively shared:
Here are some random photos. If there is something else you want to see, let me know.
Tower-side view.
Breakfast on terrace
PM's VIP helicopter landing atop his office.
The hotel is mostly great, but it's completely lacking omotenashi, and it's not in the elite top tier of Tokyo luxury hotels (Aman, PHT, MO, Palace, Hoshinoya, and a few others. Sometimes Andaz.). In other words, this hotel could be in London or Los Angeles, and you would never know if you didn't look out the window.
The Tokyo Edition is also very influencer-driven, which makes my skin crawl. The crowd is odd, and the people watching is quite sad, actually.
Physical plant is high-quality, but the light color furnishings are already somewhat worn and stained.
The GM and rooms director are very accessible and eager to help. The concierge is well-intended but nothing special. They were competent are executing my detailed and specific instructions, and did propose some interesting options, but no "magic".
Location is solid if Minato City is where you want to be based.
Breakfast is table service, but buffet quality.
Some things I learned which were not proactively shared:
- Inclusive breakfast can be taken in-room for a ~1000 JPY surcharge.
- The Virtuoso benefits are only F&B and spa, not other incidentals.
- There is often a high degree of variance in room size within categories. In suites and premium rooms, ask for kitchenette rooms as they are almost always the best in category.
- Upgrading is stingy, book the cat you need or want.
Here are some random photos. If there is something else you want to see, let me know.
Tower-side view.
Breakfast on terrace
PM's VIP helicopter landing atop his office.
Last edited by MattEvan; Dec 19, 2022 at 10:58 am Reason: Added words.
#67
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LA
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OK, so I have stayed here a few times over the last three months. Overall, my impressions are mixed.
The hotel is mostly great, but it's completely lacking omotenashi, and it's not in the elite top tier of Tokyo luxury hotels (Aman, PHT, MO, Palace, Hoshinoya, and a few others. Sometimes Andaz.). In other words, this hotel could be in London or Los Angeles, and you would never know if you didn't look out the window.
The Tokyo Edition is also very influencer-driven, which makes my skin crawl. The crowd is odd, and the people watching is quite sad, actually.
Physical plant is high-quality, but the light color furnishings are already somewhat worn and stained.
The GM and rooms director are very accessible and eager to help. The concierge is well-intended but nothing special. They were competent are executing my detailed and specific instructions, and did propose some interesting options, but no "magic".
Location is solid if Minato City is where you want to be based.
Breakfast is table service, but buffet quality.
Some things I learned which were not proactively shared:
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The hotel is mostly great, but it's completely lacking omotenashi, and it's not in the elite top tier of Tokyo luxury hotels (Aman, PHT, MO, Palace, Hoshinoya, and a few others. Sometimes Andaz.). In other words, this hotel could be in London or Los Angeles, and you would never know if you didn't look out the window.
The Tokyo Edition is also very influencer-driven, which makes my skin crawl. The crowd is odd, and the people watching is quite sad, actually.
Physical plant is high-quality, but the light color furnishings are already somewhat worn and stained.
The GM and rooms director are very accessible and eager to help. The concierge is well-intended but nothing special. They were competent are executing my detailed and specific instructions, and did propose some interesting options, but no "magic".
Location is solid if Minato City is where you want to be based.
Breakfast is table service, but buffet quality.
Some things I learned which were not proactively shared:
- Inclusive breakfast can be taken in-room for a ~1000 JPY surcharge.
- The Virtuoso benefits are only F&B and spa, not other incidentals.
- There is often a high degree of variance in room size within categories. In suites and premium rooms, ask for kitchenette rooms as they are almost always the best in category.
- Upgrading is stingy, book the cat you need or want.
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I kind of wanted a Tokyo tower view so looked on the app to see if there any available to potentially score an upgrade on the day of check in. There was, so I messaged in via the app -- no response. Then I inquired again during check-in several hours later, and they said the 'tower view' rooms were all fully booked.
Meanwhile a person next to me was getting upgraded to the room I wanted (I think perhaps they booked via Amex FHR and also had Elite status) -- and there were still rooms left on the app when I checked later. Too tired to make a scene so just decided to drop it. They did upgrade me from a regular deluxe base room to premier room (albeit without the tower).
Still I feel like there is no need to lie just to deny me an upgrade. But I guess it is easier to tell the white lie than to explain why. Perhaps the GM has told the front desk to be stingy with upgrades?
I ended up liking the RC Tokyo much better... and would probably choose that again if given the opportunity.
Edit: Had another stay more recently (RC was like twice the price for the same dates). The service was markedly better than the last (not sure if it was just dependent on which staff is on duty but from check in to the valet, the staff seemed more proactive and better trained). Still no upgrade though but it's busy in Tokyo now so can't blame them.
Last edited by supermintyfresh; Mar 19, 2023 at 12:44 am
#68
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I recently completed an one night stay at the EDITION in Tokyo (Toranomon) and have to agree with everyone that the hotel is lacking in omotenashi. This was my first stay at an EDITION and I was completely underwhelmed by the experience even though I knew that my Ambassador status would not get me anything except the guaranteed 4pm checkout. I was not offered a Terrace or Suite despite a colleague with only Platinum status receiving a Terrace upgrade over the same dates. They did however move me to a Tower facing room which was lovely to admire at all hours of the day and night.
I didn’t dine at the hotel but the restaurants and bars looked lovely in the lobby area with all the greenery and the outdoor terrace as well. I don’t think I would be able to justify staying at an EDITION in the future when I receive better service and recognition at St. Regis and the Ritz.
I didn’t dine at the hotel but the restaurants and bars looked lovely in the lobby area with all the greenery and the outdoor terrace as well. I don’t think I would be able to justify staying at an EDITION in the future when I receive better service and recognition at St. Regis and the Ritz.
#69
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Boston MA
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Need some input, I book the Tokyo Edition for a reward night stay this summer, for 2 queen bedroom for 2 guests. I have 2 kids 14, and 16 the total guest is 4. On the reservation, I only put 2 guests what is the chance I will be charged extra and could it be better if I just check in myself ask for 2 room keys then tell my kids to go to walk around first and then go meet at the room,
#70
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Need some input, I book the Tokyo Edition for a reward night stay this summer, for 2 queen bedroom for 2 guests. I have 2 kids 14, and 16 the total guest is 4. On the reservation, I only put 2 guests what is the chance I will be charged extra and could it be better if I just check in myself ask for 2 room keys then tell my kids to go to walk around first and then go meet at the room,
I would advise against being above the max occupancy number in the room....
#71
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Need some input, I book the Tokyo Edition for a reward night stay this summer, for 2 queen bedroom for 2 guests. I have 2 kids 14, and 16 the total guest is 4. On the reservation, I only put 2 guests what is the chance I will be charged extra and could it be better if I just check in myself ask for 2 room keys then tell my kids to go to walk around first and then go meet at the room,
#72
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Need some input, I book the Tokyo Edition for a reward night stay this summer, for 2 queen bedroom for 2 guests. I have 2 kids 14, and 16 the total guest is 4. On the reservation, I only put 2 guests what is the chance I will be charged extra and could it be better if I just check in myself ask for 2 room keys then tell my kids to go to walk around first and then go meet at the room,
#73
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LA
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Depends how obvious your kids are when they enter or how much attention they attract. You enter from the ground floor to the ?32 floor lobby. You do have to pass the concierge and check in desk but depending on time of day it may be quite busy. For a 200 room hotel, they can't pay attention to all the guests or what they look like. Who is to say they are not a day guest of a guest? I had friends who I escorted up to my room to visit and no one batted an eye.
I guess the most obvious part would be when they are towing luggage. Definitely give all the bags to the bell desk to send to your room, if you decide to proceed with this. (Again, not that you should)
Last edited by supermintyfresh; Mar 19, 2023 at 12:54 am
#74
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Agree it is risky, but very likely that you can indeed get away with it (not that you should proceed with this plan). Japan hotels are usually a stickler for occupancy counts unlike in the US. There are probably occupancy regulations/laws surrounding this.
Depends how obvious your kids are when they enter or how much attention they attract. You enter from the ground floor to the ?32 floor lobby. You do have to pass the concierge and check in desk but depending on time of day it may be quite busy. For a 200 room hotel, they can't pay attention to all the guests or what they look like. Who is to say they are not a day guest of a guest? I had friends who I escorted up to my room to visit and no one batted an eye.
I guess the most obvious part would be when they are towing luggage. Definitely give all the bags to the bell desk to send to your room, if you decide to proceed with this. (Again, not that you should)
Depends how obvious your kids are when they enter or how much attention they attract. You enter from the ground floor to the ?32 floor lobby. You do have to pass the concierge and check in desk but depending on time of day it may be quite busy. For a 200 room hotel, they can't pay attention to all the guests or what they look like. Who is to say they are not a day guest of a guest? I had friends who I escorted up to my room to visit and no one batted an eye.
I guess the most obvious part would be when they are towing luggage. Definitely give all the bags to the bell desk to send to your room, if you decide to proceed with this. (Again, not that you should)
You enter at the ground floor, staff will meet and greet you there, and send a message up to the lobby level. Unless they are not planning to go in and put a lot, but just staying out, there is no way they would not notice that the kids were coming and going.
OP, just pay for the rooms needed to stay four persons, and no shenanigans are needed!
Last edited by CPH-Flyer; Mar 19, 2023 at 2:02 am