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Alcibiades Jun 6, 2014 11:50 am


Originally Posted by edwards183 (Post 22989320)
The Fed caps the debit swipe fee at $.21 a swipe

Evolve usage does not require a PIN, so it is hard to be certain how they are processing things

ttlmmky Jun 6, 2014 11:55 am


Originally Posted by Alcibiades (Post 22989357)
Evolve usage does not require a PIN, so it is hard to be certain how they are processing things

You could use a PP Mastercard DC to see if you get points for it. But how could they possibly not do credit without pin? Also, I've never heard of a debit transaction online

josephstern Jun 6, 2014 11:56 am


Originally Posted by edwards183 (Post 22989320)
The Fed caps the debit swipe fee at $.21 a swipe. CC are a percentage based upon agreements and volumes.

Plus 0.05%, which is another 25 cents on a $500 card.

cdancer20 Jun 6, 2014 11:57 am


Originally Posted by edwards183 (Post 22989219)
Well, it was not like anyone was giving them any $$ to do this service. They are eating those swipe fees, and they identified the behavior costing them the most $$ and implemented a process to limit costs.

I guess the people who were hammering this loophole might have to start paying those bills with (oh, the horror!) ACH transactions that don't give them rebates.


Originally Posted by ttlmmky (Post 22989392)
You could use a PP Mastercard DC to see if you get points for it. But how could they possibly not do credit without pin? Also, I've never heard of a debit transaction online

I would assume that it's like using Serve or Bluebird with a miles debit card. You can still get points off it like a credit card purchase. (I think that's how it works at least lol)

cdancer20 Jun 6, 2014 11:58 am


Originally Posted by josephstern (Post 22989398)
Plus 0.05%, which is another 25 cents on a $500 card.

My question though was that if it's a set percentage, then they are still paying the same amount on 5 $200 GCs as 2 $500 GCs. But if it's a set rate PLUS percentage, then yes it's more expensive for them.

cdancer20 Jun 6, 2014 12:05 pm

I'm curious about what the deciding factor was: I have read that some had their accts suspended and other had them permanent locked. Is this correct? If so, how did they choose which one for each situation?

mplst Jun 6, 2014 12:23 pm

I made 46 payments to one biller this last month. With a Rep in this thread, they should have known what they were in for. I did not get an email, just a red error message to call them when trying to process #47. When I called, I waited about 10 minutes before someone informed me that they have changed the payment limit to 4 per month and it resets on the 1st of the month. I was told I did nothing wrong, just that they had changed their policy.

It sucks, as I had a nice little loop but back to the old way to liquidate/billpay.

edwards183 Jun 6, 2014 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by cdancer20 (Post 22989417)
My question though was that if it's a set percentage, then they are still paying the same amount on 5 $200 GCs as 2 $500 GCs. But if it's a set rate PLUS percentage, then yes it's more expensive for them.

No, each card swipe/entry that a person does costs $.21 +.05%. So two $500 cards costs $.92. Five $200 cards costs $1.55. So if a person was pushing though $30K/month in $200 cards it was costing evolve $46.50 per month + overhead.

cdancer20 Jun 6, 2014 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by edwards183 (Post 22989788)
No, each card swipe/entry that a person does costs $.21 +.05%. So two $500 cards costs $.92. Five $200 cards costs $1.55. So if a person was pushing though $30K/month in $200 cards it was costing evolve $46.50 per month + overhead.

Thanks!

my1stmile Jun 6, 2014 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by edwards183 (Post 22989320)
The Fed caps the debit swipe fee at $.21 a swipe. CC are a percentage based upon agreements and volumes.

That applies to institutions where the issuer has >$10B in assets. The ones issued by US Bancorp (~$360B) should be cheap. Metabank ($1.8B) is exempt from that rate and will be more expensive.

Average exempt issuer interchange is 1.33-1.49% VISA/MC. For $30k in Metabank cards, the fee would be $399-$447.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/paymen...change-fee.htm

raccah Jun 6, 2014 1:34 pm

Man - no one said a thing! I was happily paying down my mortgage using the 1K per day rule and now my account is fine, but my bill is closed - AKA I cannot pay that bill from any account! This sucks!

4 tx per bill is what they want per month - so the supervisor is not in today will call on Monday.

msiamsia Jun 6, 2014 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by ChuckHH (Post 22989211)
I think Evolve did this to limit abusers who are liquidating many $200 GCs. And if you are just doing a casual MS, you would be fine with the new rule.

Oh, when I read what everyone was talking about, my heart froze for a moment.
Then, realized YES, I can still live with 4 payments per payee/month.

WhiteRoom Jun 6, 2014 2:01 pm

FWIW, I did four payments to WF earlier this week. Despite NOT going over the new limit, I got the email today about being locked up until 7/1 as well. I suppose you could say that they are being proactive and "warning" me, but I thought it was a little strange to be locked despite not trying a fifth payment.

edwards183 Jun 6, 2014 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by my1stmile (Post 22989834)
That applies to institutions where the issuer has >$10B in assets. The ones issued by US Bancorp (~$360B) should be cheap. Metabank ($1.8B) is exempt from that rate and will be more expensive.

Average exempt issuer interchange is 1.33-1.49% VISA/MC. For $30k in Metabank cards, the fee would be $399-$447.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/paymen...change-fee.htm

Also from the fed site. " Transactions made using certain reloadable general-use prepaid cards and debit cards issued pursuant to government-administered payment programs are exempt from the interchange fee standard, even if the card is issued by a covered issuer."

Alcibiades Jun 6, 2014 2:22 pm

Yes, transactions made with EBT and unemployment debit cards would say Evolve some money


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