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AdamAlias Mar 19, 2014 11:09 am


Originally Posted by iahphx (Post 22550850)
I do wonder how big the "legitimate" market is for products like VRs. I mean, if you think about it, isn't the whole concept of a "reloadable" debit card a bit complicated for the type of people who might actually need it? Not to mention that it's not a great deal to actually use for its intended purpose.

I guess nobody has the numbers, but I would think the number of VRs sold for "non-intended purposes" (MS and whatever benefit they have for illegal activities) is a huge percentage of their business. After all, the target audience isn't loading these for $5K/month on all the BBs they've managed to accumulate.

It's really not that hard to use these prepaid reloadable products, and there is a HUGE legitimate market for them, which is why we are constantly seeing new ones. They're not making money off MSers who load and unload, which is why we get shutdown.

Aviator88 Mar 19, 2014 12:08 pm


Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 22549636)
No, I would actually speak to her manager about this.

none of those stupid touch pad machines can capture a sig the same way. Some dont even work. Tell the manager that if the darn thing doesnt work, that's their prob and the manufacturer (not the MSer lol) but not yours!

Ask the manager to have a talk with her and have her come around and try to sign HER name.

WT eff is wrong with some of these clerks!

Def call her out on this one man. Do not just walk away. :td:

I did not just walk away. I did get the beans I bought and I'm going to try one more time with a different cashier just to see if it's the cashier or the store manager. Not going to let this one down just yet.

sosamo Mar 19, 2014 12:39 pm

#1. for the signature thing. Every time I sign my signature on the touchpad, it's just a swiggly line. A few time, the pen thing doesn't work, I had to use my fingernail. The CVS cashier didn't care.

#2. for the serve load with CC. I went to my local CVS, and asked the cashier to load my Serve card. She said,"hhm..this is the first time I am doing this, not sure how to do it". I said,"Press the reload button, swipe card, enter amount...." I had to learn this method because another cashier didn't know how to do it, and I didn't know how to do it.

TheBOSman Mar 19, 2014 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by theacolyte (Post 22551284)
Sigh, people need to stop saying things like this. If they are requiring it for all pre-paid purchases over $1k, it's fine. They can require whatever they want. It's your choice as a customer whether or not you want to do business with them.

Even with that, visa/mastercard/amex doesn't care about merchants requiring ID for large purchases on CC. You will never see a complaint lodged against a business that actually goes somewhere. Sure, it's in their merchant contracts, but at the same time they respect that their customers are trying to prevent fraud, which is in everyone's interest.

So, again, why do you think visa/mc/amex care? Because I can assure you that they don't.

No, there are two different things going on here. CVS requires the ID as a condition of buying $1k+ of prepaids. That doesn't matter whether you are paying cash or credit. They can require this for that specific purpose, and you as a customer can decide whether or not you want to provide that and continue to do business with them.

Also, might not be in your state, but in a number of states it is against state law to require additional ID when paying with a credit card. And, in others such as CA, it is illegal to record any personal information relating to a credit card transaction (though not to visually confirm an ID): http://law.onecle.com/california/civil/1747.08.html

In addition, an employee looking at my ID exposes ME to fraud, as the employee could easily memorize all of my pertinent personal details and credit card numbers. With a little online research, I am quite sure this person could then steal my identity. The store is trying to prevent fraud, but I am trying to do the same. The store's methods of preventing fraud are not in my interest, and in fact conflict directly with my interest. And as well, someone stealing my identity and committing fraud is very important to Visa/MC/particularly Amex, as by law I won't be the one footing the bill for that fraud. But that money has to come from somewhere.

Red259 Mar 19, 2014 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by TheBOSman (Post 22553475)
No, there are two different things going on here. CVS requires the ID as a condition of buying $1k+ of prepaids. That doesn't matter whether you are paying cash or credit. They can require this for that specific purpose, and you as a customer can decide whether or not you want to provide that and continue to do business with them.

Also, might not be in your state, but in a number of states it is against state law to require additional ID when paying with a credit card. And, in others such as CA, it is illegal to record any personal information relating to a credit card transaction (though not to visually confirm an ID): http://law.onecle.com/california/civil/1747.08.html

In addition, an employee looking at my ID exposes ME to fraud, as the employee could easily memorize all of my pertinent personal details and credit card numbers. With a little online research, I am quite sure this person could then steal my identity. The store is trying to prevent fraud, but I am trying to do the same. The store's methods of preventing fraud are not in my interest, and in fact conflict directly with my interest. And as well, someone stealing my identity and committing fraud is very important to Visa/MC/particularly Amex, as by law I won't be the one footing the bill for that fraud. But that money has to come from somewhere.

I'd prefer not to give my id at CVS, but it seems the only way I can make larger purchases of prepaids. I know the cashier scans the license, but I am not certain how much information is retained from the scan. Furthermore, I would think any information that was scanned would not be accessible by the cashier after the transaction. CVS would be opening themselves up to massive liability if they exposed all their customers identification/credit card information to just any employee who may want to steal it. Therefore, I would hope they restrict access to this information to very few people (its probably only accessible by a back office).

Happy Mar 19, 2014 4:23 pm


Originally Posted by lwildernorva (Post 22551067)
Absolutely. I've seen the occasional comment questioning why someone would spend $3.95 to load a card if MS weren't involved. I've seen people pay $1.95 or $2.95 in ATM fees to withdraw $20. Most of us wouldn't do that, but Amex is going after a market that doesn't fit the FT profile and is really not close to their traditional market.

I have seen a older lady in front of me at grocery store check out line, paid $4.95 to buy a $25 master card. Then she used another master card to pay for her 10ish items of groceries. I am quite dumbfounded. I mean, if she is giving the $25 MC as a gift, why not just write a check? Or give plain old $25 cash?

More than a doz times seeing folks in front of me at CVS paying fees to load $200 or below amount to a reloadable cards.

I dont know whether these people are truly math challenge or completely lack of common sense, but these people do exist and the fee generated obviously is not insignificant. Else we would not see so many competing products on the market these days!

Happy Mar 19, 2014 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by iahphx (Post 22551364)
Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of poor people the VR folks can "take advantage" of, but remember, those folks are poor. They don't have thousands of dollars to load onto these cards, and they're certainly not giving them a very good deal that would "incentivize" such behavior.

In contrast, we're maxing out our VR purchases because we ARE getting a good deal. Bottomline, I don't think VRs can be hard to find because the poor are snapping them up like hotcakes. Indeed, I tend to go to the poorer neighborhoods to buy them because they are more likely to be in stock!

Complete opposite experiences in my area.

The better the neighborhood, the more availability of the VRs and the nicer the CVS employees' attitudes. Go up to Coral Springs and Parkland you would find all the VRs you need and the CVS employees are as nice as they can be. Go down to the ghetto neighborhoods in Lauderlake, State Road 7 and such, you will find a complete different picture.

ostornadoe1 Mar 19, 2014 6:31 pm

Kind of a data point, hoping nothing comes from it: I was buying some beans today and the cashier that is there 90+% of the time that I go there scanned the first bean and then messed up because something popped up on the screen that she had never seen before and was just automatically going through the process of loading my beans (apologies for the long sentence). She said it was some prompt that she had never seen before. No idea what it said, or what it was. Anyone else had this experience? I've been purchasing beans at this cvs for months, and this cashier knows what she's doing.

workindev Mar 19, 2014 7:12 pm


Originally Posted by ostornadoe1 (Post 22554518)
Kind of a data point, hoping nothing comes from it: I was buying some beans today and the cashier that is there 90+% of the time that I go there scanned the first bean and then messed up because something popped up on the screen that she had never seen before and was just automatically going through the process of loading my beans (apologies for the long sentence). She said it was some prompt that she had never seen before. No idea what it said, or what it was. Anyone else had this experience? I've been purchasing beans at this cvs for months, and this cashier knows what she's doing.

Yes, happened to me yesterday. Something popped up on the screen, the cashier asked the other cashier if she had seen that message before. She said she hadn't, and they both shrugged their shoulders and continued with the transaction.

gloreglabert Mar 19, 2014 7:14 pm

The prompt is asking the cashier whether the customer is standing in front of them. It's been added to cut down on phone scams where someone calls in pretending to be from corporate and tells the cashier to activate VRs or other reload products and read the numbers.

MarcusBWI Mar 19, 2014 8:00 pm

Edit: User's question answered already!

dontippet Mar 19, 2014 8:25 pm

Does anyone know the official rule from CVS concerning using cc's to pay for VR's? I've had great luck locally for a year and a half now. Tonight, the local manager said that it has never been the policy and was very surprised when I told my recent experiences, even in her own store.

Red259 Mar 19, 2014 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by ostornadoe1 (Post 22554518)
Kind of a data point, hoping nothing comes from it: I was buying some beans today and the cashier that is there 90+% of the time that I go there scanned the first bean and then messed up because something popped up on the screen that she had never seen before and was just automatically going through the process of loading my beans (apologies for the long sentence). She said it was some prompt that she had never seen before. No idea what it said, or what it was. Anyone else had this experience? I've been purchasing beans at this cvs for months, and this cashier knows what she's doing.

Yes there have been numerous prior posts about this subject with the same thing happening to others.

AveApostle Mar 19, 2014 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by dontippet (Post 22555075)
Does anyone know the official rule from CVS concerning using cc's to pay for VR's? I've had great luck locally for a year and a half now. Tonight, the local manager said that it has never been the policy and was very surprised when I told my recent experiences, even in her own store.

Rather than evidence of a new policy, I think this is yet more evidence of a very old human tendency to assume that however s/he personally does things today is not only how s/he've ALWAYS done things, but how EVERYONE ELSE does them too.

babalooie21204 Mar 19, 2014 9:00 pm

just picked up another 4k in beans about 30 minutes ago (1030pm est) no problems as normal.... even dealt with the store manager this time, my 5th time using him out of the many many times


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