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travel light Mar 22, 2012 10:26 am

Actually buying stuff on Amazon
 

Originally Posted by beachmiles (Post 18243609)
I've been using my AP account to actually buy stuff on Amazon.

How is that an improvement on paying for the purchase with a CC?

Ken in Phx Mar 22, 2012 5:37 pm


Originally Posted by Astrophsx (Post 18089604)
What the heck are you talking about?? These people have mentioned nothing about getting shut down by their credit card. "Cardinal Fang" and "Spanish Inquisition" are these your code words for American Express?

There are people who do not know how to stay under the radar like Marathon Man making 8 amazon payment accounts and then there are people who know how to stay under the radar. One will find with most deals if you stay under the radar... overall you will get more out of a deal then going overboard from the beginning and getting banned.

AZ payments has been going on for awhile now and I think it has a fighting chance of continuing if:

1) People limit discussion on the boards.

2) Stay under the radar.. If you don't know how to stay under the radar PM someone and ask.

3) Don't get greedy. If it's working don't try and go beyond the limits.

4) If you get banned don't call Amazon. I don't think there has been one person who I've talked to or who has posted on here that was able to get a reversal from Amazon after getting shut down. If you get shut down move on! I wouldn't waste my time begging or asking why I got banned. Move on to Serve, Venmo, etc...

I hate to quote a blogger, but there are people like MommyPoints who don't use these payment services because of what has happened to people like AlohaDaveKennedy. If you have the financial info to get you out of a financial review great! But if you don't, just remember that getting 50k from Amazon payments is not nearly as easy as getting 50k from a credit card sign up.

Some people will say thankfully you've come around to learning how to negotiate the programs. Others will say that your pimping of BigCrumbs and the AX GC thing helped push the Mint gig to the front pages of WSJ and the likes. Either way, Im glad you finally figured it to be quiet about the good deals. "They" do watch and "they" do learn and "they" shutdown any deals that are beneficial to their cause.

beachmiles Mar 22, 2012 9:17 pm


Originally Posted by travel light (Post 18251503)
How is that an improvement on paying for the purchase with a CC?

I have had no problems with my AP account. I think throwing in some actual commerce, and doing some real business with Amazon, using my AP log in might keep the love alive a little longer.

johndoe123 Mar 22, 2012 11:15 pm

Forget this for the points... it's a waste of time to pick up 950 at a whack for the hassle.

What it's good for is meeting minimum spend.

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 23, 2012 8:51 am

FYI: Cardinals, Fang, Biggles, Ximenez/Ximinez, and The Spanish Inquisition refer to the grand inquistors portrayed in the classic Monty Python comedy skits. They are the redbirds who pop up out of nowhere to deal with heretics - which is anyone who questions or does not follow their religion, which is spelled out in the good book, which is comprised of the terms and conditions of the credit accounts. Since the terms and conditions are necessarily vague and typically allow changes at will, The Spanish Inquisition tends to pop up unexpectedly as in "Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition." The AMEX Spanish Inquisition is just one of many - every credit card issuer has its own staff charged with monitoring credit accounts. The Inquistion is made up of the fraud, loss prevention, audit, risk and compliance professionals. Their trinity is prevention of fraud, waste and abuse.

Several folks on FT are redbirds, BTW. I suspect one or two are bluebirds (law enforcement professionals) as that flock is on the look out for money laundering and fraud.

Originally Posted by Astrophsx

What the heck are you talking about?? These people have mentioned nothing about getting shut down by their credit card. "Cardinal Fang" and "Spanish Inquisition" are these your code words for American Express?

JudyJFLA Mar 23, 2012 9:23 am


Originally Posted by beachmiles (Post 18243609)
I've been using my AP account to actually buy stuff on Amazon.


and don't forget to go thru the Hawaiian Miles mall for a mile a buck for the purchase... They have partners, so max it out....

Of course I use the Gift Cards to buy Best Buy cards at 5-6% off at Plastic Jungle (mypoints for that purchase) then use those at Best Buy to buy Kindle gift cards for Amazon....
JudyJFLA

pcharles Mar 23, 2012 9:33 am


Originally Posted by AlohaDaveKennedy (Post 18257212)
Several folks on FT are redbirds, BTW. I suspect one or two are bluebirds (law enforcement professionals) as that flock is on the look out for money laundering and fraud.

Yep, met one of them. The loaded questions that were asked showed their feathers right off. I'm not sure which flock they flew with, but a bird of mole-feathers if I ever knew one. ;)

Dangjr213 Mar 23, 2012 10:38 am


Originally Posted by JudyJFLA (Post 18257415)
and don't forget to go thru the Hawaiian Miles mall for a mile a buck for the purchase... They have partners, so max it out....

Of course I use the Gift Cards to buy Best Buy cards at 5-6% off at Plastic Jungle (mypoints for that purchase) then use those at Best Buy to buy Kindle gift cards for Amazon....
JudyJFLA

Interesting.... tried something like this before but best buy wouldn't let me use a gift card to buy another gift card. Pretty sure it just depends on the cashier. Was just trying to get rid of the best buy gift card I had gotten as a gift since I'd rather buy from amazon

Did you mean use a credit card to buy best buy gift cards at plastic jungle? If not, what gift card are you referring to?

thehawk75 Mar 23, 2012 3:40 pm

For those who haven't provided a SSN yet
 
I notice that in addition to this question on the main page:


Originally Posted by amazon
As a result of changes to federal regulations, Amazon Payments requires that you provide your tax identity information. Start now.

They now additionally have this question (right underneath):

Originally Posted by amazon
Important Message:

Please verify your account information as soon as possible to maintain your account privileges.
To complete this step - click here.

With a little red Octagon next to it too.

Strange thing is, the second question only asks for your last 4 digits of your SSN (where as the first one asks for the entire SSN).

So, is this a redundant question for everyone, or, are they now offering an alternate way to 'validate' without entering in all 9 digits.

kyunbit Mar 25, 2012 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by johndoe123 (Post 18087480)
Datapoint:

I pay a monthly recurring charge on the fifth of every month to a friend ($800-950 area, but it's a set amount).

He withdraws and hands me the cash.

Never any issues, and it's only used one-way.

Been doing this for years.

years? Hasn't AP been around for only a year or so?

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 26, 2012 7:46 am

Or maybe the cardinals are actually asking twice for the last 4 digits as a check against people entering just any old number for the requested social security number? Naw - Biggles would never think of that trick. And you could never expect Fang to use the social security number as a key field to detect multiple accounts by the same owner. And Ximinez never patrols the accounts looking for anomalies. Or do they, afterall "Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms...":D


Originally Posted by thehawk75 (Post 18259855)
I notice that in addition to this question on the main page:

They now additionally have this question (right underneath):

With a little red Octagon next to it too.

Strange thing is, the second question only asks for your last 4 digits of your SSN (where as the first one asks for the entire SSN).

So, is this a redundant question for everyone, or, are they now offering an alternate way to 'validate' without entering in all 9 digits.


Zamboni Driver Mar 26, 2012 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by kyunbit (Post 18272973)
years? Hasn't AP been around for only a year or so?

He probably meant second half of 2011 and Q1 of 2012 ;)

grlmopz Mar 26, 2012 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by kyunbit (Post 18272973)
years? Hasn't AP been around for only a year or so?

I made my first Amazon payment in November, 2010.
I'm pretty sure it didn't start much before then.

kfennell Mar 26, 2012 6:50 pm

When I used amazon webpay with my amex gold I had both my amex accounts shut off till I called, then I had to go through a FR, and then I got my limits lowered quite a bit on both accounts. In the end it's OK but it was a pain I guess.

mltno Apr 1, 2012 11:10 am

Im thinking to open a citicard premier ty card with 50k bonus but it requires 3k within 3 months, i heard this was a good way to meet it but not quite clear on process, do i need 2 amazon payment accounts, or can i just create 1 amazon payment account that can pull payments from my cc and send to my bank, whats the best way to avoid getting flagged, if info is to sensitive please pm me, from what i understand as well if you select service goods it wont be treated as cash advance for this card and chase freedom?
thanks


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