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aegistar Mar 15, 2013 8:30 am

I would think it's easier for them to track by numbers then by name. The same credit card numbers will most likely throw the flag first. Not that I have any knowledge about this at all but just pulling in my knowledge of databases and possible pattern matching and ID retrieval. Names are usually not a reliable source for identification matching.

Dangjr213 Mar 15, 2013 10:29 am

I work closely with electronic payments. The name is embedded in the mag strip and is read by credit card terminals. In the case of online payments, retailers have the option of using the name as a fraud check, but some don't as it's a user entered field which can create false positives (due to typos, initials, etc). Wouldn't risk it...

mtftw Mar 15, 2013 11:13 am


Originally Posted by Dangjr213 (Post 20424691)
I work closely with electronic payments. The name is embedded in the mag strip and is read by credit card terminals. In the case of online payments, retailers have the option of using the name as a fraud check, but some don't as it's a user entered field which can create false positives (due to typos, initials, etc). Wouldn't risk it...

This is dependent on Amazon's gateway services, which they likely are running themselves given the size of their industry. There's no standard to include name information with an auth request - there are some processors that allow the info to be passed as "enhanced card data" (Amex is the most commonly seen with this), but it's not the standard. Compare that to the card number, which is absolutely, 100% necessary to authorize a card.

Some retailers would keep it either in-house for fraud purposes as was mentioned above or send it off to a third-party fraud aggregator, but most of the time your name isn't part of the request that makes it to your bank.

Don't do this.

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 15, 2013 12:50 pm

Ahem. Depends on the type of card involved. AMEX AUs have different numbers as can AUs on certain other cards.:cool:

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 15, 2013 12:52 pm

You ever attend SWATCHA?


Originally Posted by Dangjr213 (Post 20424691)
I work closely with electronic payments. The name is embedded in the mag strip and is read by credit card terminals. In the case of online payments, retailers have the option of using the name as a fraud check, but some don't as it's a user entered field which can create false positives (due to typos, initials, etc). Wouldn't risk it...


shoreline Mar 15, 2013 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by AlohaDaveKennedy (Post 20425544)
Ahem. Depends on the type of card involved. AMEX AUs have different numbers as can AUs on certain other cards.:cool:

This is exactly my thinking. Not all AU cards have the same number.
So, ADK, with that in mind, what are your thoughts about the OP's original question? Curious what you are thinking.;)



Originally Posted by AlohaDaveKennedy (Post 20425560)
You ever attend SWATCHA?

What is this?

sk8uno Mar 15, 2013 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by Snowpea98 (Post 20423889)
Hey guys, this is my first post.

I've been reading a lot the last few days, but i've never seen mention of AP used in this way. I have a friend that i added as an authorized user for my CSP I'm wondering if they can do AP->my AP with my authorized card without amazon or chase knowing that i'm basically sending to myself. Any thoughts on using this to meet min spend on new cards?(just always adding authorized user and doing this) This is the tightest circle and least amount of hassle i can think of, as i don't have much time to run around looking for VRs to meet min spend.

Looking forward to some input.

I've know someone who has been doing this for months using an AU on a CSP. No problems. That being said, Amazon is almost certainly capable of figuring it out if they wanted to.

For future reference, this kind of question should go in the existing AP thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manuf...-payments.html

philemer Mar 15, 2013 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by sk8uno (Post 20426077)
I've know someone who has been doing this for months using an AU on a CSP. No problems. That being said, Amazon is almost certainly capable of figuring it out if they wanted to.

For future reference, this kind of question should go in the existing AP thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manuf...-payments.html

Now merged.

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 15, 2013 2:46 pm

I'm thinking it would be a nice day in the Jungle if those were Citi cards....BTW, that group is an electronic payments resource for financial institutions, businesses, and payments industry stakeholders. The FBI often presents to this conclave of cardinals. Dunno how I would know that.:rolleyes:


Originally Posted by shoreline (Post 20425682)
This is exactly my thinking. Not all AU cards have the same number.
So, ADK, with that in mind, what are your thoughts about the OP's original question? Curious what you are thinking.;)

What is this?


AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 15, 2013 2:50 pm

Dunno, as their systems have significant internal control issues.:cool:


Originally Posted by sk8uno (Post 20426077)
That being said, Amazon is almost certainly capable of figuring it out if they wanted to.


Dangjr213 Mar 15, 2013 5:03 pm


Originally Posted by AlohaDaveKennedy (Post 20425560)
You ever attend SWATCHA?

Nope but have contacts that do. My job is just to negotiate pricing/contract clauses

Tinker25 Mar 18, 2013 11:25 am

Glad to have found this thread :)

Signed up AP account A - spouse, and B - me, emails, SS#, bank accounts are all different. Successfully done A > B for Feburary. Realizing that Now I need to meet spending requirement. Can I do B > A this month (March), and going forward? Anyone has succesfully revert the direction of AP account $ flow?

Appreciated...

CrazyInNYC Mar 18, 2013 11:29 am

Does an AP ban span all of Amazon or is it confined to AP? In other words, if I am banned from AP can I still buy stuff from Amazon?

If so, does it matter if I use a different email address for AP from Amazon.com?

Looking for some confirmation...thanks in advance

shoreline Mar 18, 2013 11:51 am


Originally Posted by CrazyInNYC (Post 20440640)
Does an AP ban span all of Amazon or is it confined to AP? In other words, if I am banned from AP can I still buy stuff from Amazon?

If so, does it matter if I use a different email address for AP from Amazon.com?

Looking for some confirmation...thanks in advance

AP (payments) vs. Amazon seems to work independently in this aspect.
So, banning from one doesn't seem to affect the other. I don't recall any reports ever being reported of such happening.

However, ymmv for various AP accounts (meaning 1 AP account may or may not affect another).

Different emails should be fine (from my understanding).

BTW, welcome to FT.

CrazyInNYC Mar 18, 2013 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by shoreline (Post 20440767)
AP (payments) vs. Amazon seems to work independently in this aspect.
So, banning from one doesn't seem to affect the other. I don't recall any reports ever being reported of such happening.

However, ymmv for various AP accounts (meaning 1 AP account may or may not affect another).

Different emails should be fine (from my understanding).

BTW, welcome to FT.

Thanks!


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