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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
Mar 23, 2014, 6:16 am
#991
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The amount of oil leaking from a crashed 777 would be minimal. The larger amount of jet fuel carried by a 777 acts more like diesel or gasoline when released in the water than lubricating or crude oil - it dissipates much faster, and the "slick" it leaves on the water would be much harder to find than an oil slick.
And if the plane flew to a position 1000 west of Australia, there wouldn't be much jet fuel left.
And if the plane flew to a position 1000 west of Australia, there wouldn't be much jet fuel left.
Mar 23, 2014, 6:33 am
#992
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Has it been mentioned/ anyone know IF OR HOW the ELT has been turned off or why no signal has been detected? Does this mean it's too deep under the water.... or it didn't crash, so no high G situation to initiate signal transmission?
(I did try a search but can't see how it points you to the right page or post)
(I did try a search but can't see how it points you to the right page or post)
Last edited by cassiewoofer; Mar 23, 2014 at 6:48 am
Mar 23, 2014, 6:36 am
#993
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From today's Malaysian Press Release
3. Update on ACARS transmission
a. The last ACARS transmission, sent at 1.07am, showed nothing unusual. The 1.07am transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing.
Does this not now debunk the "deliberate route change programmed into the FMS" theory? Would the ACARS not have picked it up, and the assertion today that "the 1:07 transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing" put paid to the earlier theory which led to the "deliberate act" conclusion?
3. Update on ACARS transmission
a. The last ACARS transmission, sent at 1.07am, showed nothing unusual. The 1.07am transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing.
Does this not now debunk the "deliberate route change programmed into the FMS" theory? Would the ACARS not have picked it up, and the assertion today that "the 1:07 transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing" put paid to the earlier theory which led to the "deliberate act" conclusion?
The assumed change in flight plan is thought to have occurred, or been reprogrammed, after 1:07 but before 1:37 am, when ACARS is scheduled to send its next signal, which never occurred.
Last edited by Wickerman; Mar 23, 2014 at 6:43 am
Mar 23, 2014, 6:36 am
#994
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1. Pilot's involvement is very high
2. Brought the plane up to 45000(approx)
3. Turns off the switch
4. Everyone knocked out no oxygen
5. Flight is on autopilot
6. Flights flies until it is out of fuel
7. Flight eventually crashes and breaks apart.
2. Brought the plane up to 45000(approx)
3. Turns off the switch
4. Everyone knocked out no oxygen
5. Flight is on autopilot
6. Flights flies until it is out of fuel
7. Flight eventually crashes and breaks apart.
Mar 23, 2014, 8:18 am
#995
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Size of newspaper - 1m²
So you'd need 73,556,000 x 1000 x 1000 newspapers to cover the Indian Ocean
You need to know where to look before you can read the newspaper - even if you were a metre off then your satellite would not see the newspaper
Mar 23, 2014, 8:25 am
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..... But the resolution of the images we have seen has been terrible,......I was going to say picture the object with a better sat. but Oh yes they were taken ages ago and only detected by eye recently! So there's no high resolution images of the area,.....Thanks Alan... I underand completely now.
Mar 23, 2014, 8:35 am
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But finding out where the plane went would also have been easier and quicker in that case. Based on the presumed path it appears that the intent was to hide the location.
Mar 23, 2014, 8:36 am
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Mar 23, 2014, 8:37 am
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Has it been mentioned/ anyone know IF OR HOW the ELT has been turned off or why no signal has been detected? Does this mean it's too deep under the water.... or it didn't crash, so no high G situation to initiate signal transmission?
(I did try a search but can't see how it points you to the right page or post)
(I did try a search but can't see how it points you to the right page or post)
I would like to know about the ELT's too. Some people on the news keep bringing it up, but nobody gives an answer!
Anyone?
Mar 23, 2014, 8:37 am
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If suicidal the pilot could just point the stick forward on the planned route, if terrorist the pilot just waits until they are flying to a place that is a target and rather than landing points the stick forward.
Like I said nothing will be perfect but that shouldn't prevent progress in this direction more than we have had because of the assumptions made.
Mar 23, 2014, 8:38 am
#1001
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(I don't advocate this theory, but I caution its easy dismissal)
Yes, several nations including India, Myanmar and Pakistan, have reported they have no data showing evidence of a large aircraft crossing over BBC and others).
"No data" does not mean they were awake, alert, actively looking for a renegade 'blip' at 3-4:00am.
All I can say is that searchers may have been a little too hasty in turning their attention south.
Last edited by Wickerman; Mar 23, 2014 at 8:45 am
Mar 23, 2014, 8:41 am
#1002
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but all the turns suggest someone was in control, sudden decompression apparently doesn't totally incapacitate you, and first action after decompression would be to drop to around 10k ft. There's nothing that explains all this,... unless it's landed somewhere, somehow avoiding all northern coast of indian ocean primary radar... though there is a gap in primary radar which was clear on a map of radar coverage posted ages back..... which I can't find now.
Mar 23, 2014, 8:45 am
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Second guessing is natural human reaction.
Mar 23, 2014, 8:50 am
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How is it these satellites and over the horizon radars can "see" debris but could not "see" the aircraft when it was in the air headed for the area of the debris sightings?