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This is ARCHIVE WEEK #1 (8 - 14 March UTC) of older posts from the original thread, MH 370 KUL-PEK Missing: now Search and Recovery [PLEASE SEE WIKI].
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MH 370 KUL-PEK Missing: 8 - 14 Mar 2014 UTC - ARCHIVE WEEK #1
#2596
Join Date: Jan 2014
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When all is said and done, and it eventually will, does anybody in Malaysia realize what image of a 4th world country they will emerge with, and for reasons totally unrelated to the tragedy itself? Methinks any difference with the Congo is that any such situation would not have started being investigated by the Congolese and that the French, Belgians, Brits and Americans would have stepped in from Minute 1.
Q. Who organizes and coordinates the search-and-rescue effort?
A.This is all coordinated by the Malaysian government. They coordinate both the water-space and the airspace management. I give them a lot of credit. They have done what I would call an exceptional job. It’s like a big chessboard out there. It’s really like moving chess pieces around, and that’s 3-D. You have three dimensions, you have the water-space and the airspace.
If you don’t do a good job of it, there is a very real possibility of an accident. I give a lot of credit to the Malaysian government. They have a very well-organized plan. They track all these assets coming in from all these countries, they make assignments, and they’re very efficient, very professional.
http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/...tw-share&_r=1&
#2597
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Malaysia SAR team may not have all the resources of the US but seem to be doing a reasonable job given the complete dearth of information about the flight.
However, their press handling has not been great. I don't see how that impacts whether or not the plane is actually found, only whether it satisfies uninterested international rubberneckers
However, their press handling has not been great. I don't see how that impacts whether or not the plane is actually found, only whether it satisfies uninterested international rubberneckers
#2598
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: AA, UA, Marriott Gold
Posts: 349
Vietnam resumed full scale air and sea searches for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane on Wednesday, after announcing in the morning that it was scaling back pending information from Malaysia about a new direction of the multi-nation hunt.
#2601
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I starting thinking from day#1 the Malaysians have been withholding a large amount of info .. for reasons still unknown.
MAS is government owned, and it seems they were panicked into not coming clean in case it cost them passenger business and reputation.
Their own Military have tracked the plane almost OUT of their airspace heading WEST roughly to the mountain ranges near ACEH Indonesia direction.
Maybe it was shot down by Indonesia is one not totally implausible theory, if cabin was not responding to radio challenges.
Or, if that did not occur and plane was on auto pilot for whatever reason, or deliberately, it crashed in the remote mountains of ACEH BANDA.
It also seems more and more clear from what I have read, the 5 who checked in and were no shows may NOT have had all their baggage removed. Malaysia does NOT seem to have officially ruled that out.
Right now the millions of $$$ of resources and wasting days searching near Vietnam was all un-necessary it seems, and Chinese relatives being flown to India in error really does make MAS look worse still.
Vietnam is now sending annoyed messages that it now seems the plane was nowhere near their air space as first advised and early search efforts in that area were probably un-called for.
MAS is government owned, and it seems they were panicked into not coming clean in case it cost them passenger business and reputation.
Their own Military have tracked the plane almost OUT of their airspace heading WEST roughly to the mountain ranges near ACEH Indonesia direction.
Maybe it was shot down by Indonesia is one not totally implausible theory, if cabin was not responding to radio challenges.
Or, if that did not occur and plane was on auto pilot for whatever reason, or deliberately, it crashed in the remote mountains of ACEH BANDA.
It also seems more and more clear from what I have read, the 5 who checked in and were no shows may NOT have had all their baggage removed. Malaysia does NOT seem to have officially ruled that out.
Right now the millions of $$$ of resources and wasting days searching near Vietnam was all un-necessary it seems, and Chinese relatives being flown to India in error really does make MAS look worse still.
Vietnam is now sending annoyed messages that it now seems the plane was nowhere near their air space as first advised and early search efforts in that area were probably un-called for.
#2602
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[QUOTE=ozstamps;22509398]I starting thinking from day#1 the Malaysians have been withholding a large amount of info .. for reasons still unknown.
MAS is government owned, and it seems they were panicked into not coming clean in case it cost them passenger business and reputation.
Their own Military have tracked the plane almost OUT of their airspace heading WEST roughly to the mountain ranges near ACEH Indonesia direction.
Maybe it was shot down by Indonesia is one not totally implausible theory, if cabin was not responding to radio challenges.
Or, if that did not occur and plane was on auto pilot for whatever reason, or deliberately, it crashed in the remote mountains of ACEH BANDA.
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Indonesia has indeed been rather silent about all this
MAS is government owned, and it seems they were panicked into not coming clean in case it cost them passenger business and reputation.
Their own Military have tracked the plane almost OUT of their airspace heading WEST roughly to the mountain ranges near ACEH Indonesia direction.
Maybe it was shot down by Indonesia is one not totally implausible theory, if cabin was not responding to radio challenges.
Or, if that did not occur and plane was on auto pilot for whatever reason, or deliberately, it crashed in the remote mountains of ACEH BANDA.
.........
[QUOTE]
Indonesia has indeed been rather silent about all this
#2603
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Posts: 87
It also seems more and more clear from what I have read, the 5 who checked in and were no shows may NOT have had all their baggage removed. Malaysia does NOT seem to have officially ruled that out.
#2604
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Their own Military have tracked the plane almost OUT of their airspace heading WEST roughly to the mountain ranges near ACEH Indonesia direction.
Maybe it was shot down by Indonesia is one not totally implausible theory, if cabin was not responding to radio challenges.
Or, if that did not occur and plane was on auto pilot for whatever reason, or deliberately, it crashed in the remote mountains of ACEH BANDA.
Or, if that did not occur and plane was on auto pilot for whatever reason, or deliberately, it crashed in the remote mountains of ACEH BANDA.
Moreover, how would the Indonesian military shoot them down? Just more nonsense.
It also seems more and more clear from what I have read, the 5 who checked in and were no shows may NOT have had all their baggage removed. Malaysia does NOT seem to have officially ruled that out.
Right now the millions of $$$ of resources and wasting days searching near Vietnam was all un-necessary it seems, and Chinese relatives being flown to India in error really does make MAS look worse still.
Vietnam is now sending annoyed messages that it now seems the plane was nowhere near their air space as first advised and early search efforts in that area were probably un-called for.
Vietnam is now sending annoyed messages that it now seems the plane was nowhere near their air space as first advised and early search efforts in that area were probably un-called for.
Sorry, but just because you read sensationalist rumors does not give you the right to armchair quarterback the SAR effort. It's getting really old people coming into this thread with conspiracy theories based off of 2nd and 3rd hand reports who suddenly decide that they know more than the SAR people.
#2605
Join Date: Dec 2007
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This SAR is canonical example how you do not do SAR and how anything could go wrong went wrong.
After this there will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
After this there will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
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#2606
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Based on Vietnam's own announcement yesterday they had ceased searching. Good enough for you?
They have started up again today it seems, at what intensity level I have my own thoughts on, but it seems more and more clear the plane had turned back well over Malaysia - for reasons none of us know.
They have started up again today it seems, at what intensity level I have my own thoughts on, but it seems more and more clear the plane had turned back well over Malaysia - for reasons none of us know.
#2607
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 9
This SAR is canonical example how you do not do SAR and how anything could go wrong went wrong.
After this three will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
After this three will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
Who organizes and coordinates the search-and-rescue effort?
A.
This is all coordinated by the Malaysian government. They coordinate both the water-space and the airspace management. I give them a lot of credit. They have done what I would call an exceptional job. It’s like a big chessboard out there. It’s really like moving chess pieces around, and that’s 3-D. You have three dimensions, you have the water-space and the airspace.
If you don’t do a good job of it, there is a very real possibility of an accident. I give a lot of credit to the Malaysian government. They have a very well-organized plan. They track all these assets coming in from all these countries, they make assignments, and they’re very efficient, very professional.
http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/...tw-share&_r=1&
#2608
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 302
This SAR is canonical example how you do not do SAR and how anything could go wrong went wrong.
After this three will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
After this three will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
#2609
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany
Programs: Miles & More, Amex
Posts: 678
This SAR is canonical example how you do not do SAR and how anything could go wrong went wrong.
After this three will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
After this three will be some very serious questions to:
- ICAO
- Malaysian authorities
- Military Command and Control centers and their operating procedures
- Airlines
It might sound too much exaggeration right now but I have a feeling that air travel from now on won't be the same as it was before.
First, the plane needs to be found. Then one has to understand what happend and why. After that, one can make conclusions. SAR can only be performed on information available.
#2610
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 9
Based on Vietnam's own announcement yesterday they had ceased searching. Good enough for you?
They have started up again today it seems, at what intensity level I have my own thoughts on, but it seems more and more clear the plane had turned back well over Malaysia - for reasons none of us know.
They have started up again today it seems, at what intensity level I have my own thoughts on, but it seems more and more clear the plane had turned back well over Malaysia - for reasons none of us know.