When We Can Travel Again
#31
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Agreed, international travel, in general, will take longer to bounce back and is likely to be a slow crawl more than a bounce. So many different nations will have so many different requirements and restrictions. Who knows how long mandated and monitored quaratines may be attached, either into and out of country.
Cruising will take even longer and will look different. Those mega-size passenger ships may not be in great demand whilst smaller ships may be more popular, thus more expensive to book.
In terms of travel, the only likely option in the U.S. in the relatively near term (say, mid fall) is domestic road-tripping to not-so-very distant locales.
Maybe jet charters will boom.
One variable to factor is the clear desire in D.C. to “save” the economy which, in theory, could give modest travel (especially road travel) some leeway. The downside being instigating a second wave of infection, not only through travel but through return to work for many, and a return to retail (in person). Or, say some sports events which are being considered for a November restart.
Why, yes, I think about this a lot.
Cruising will take even longer and will look different. Those mega-size passenger ships may not be in great demand whilst smaller ships may be more popular, thus more expensive to book.
In terms of travel, the only likely option in the U.S. in the relatively near term (say, mid fall) is domestic road-tripping to not-so-very distant locales.
Maybe jet charters will boom.
One variable to factor is the clear desire in D.C. to “save” the economy which, in theory, could give modest travel (especially road travel) some leeway. The downside being instigating a second wave of infection, not only through travel but through return to work for many, and a return to retail (in person). Or, say some sports events which are being considered for a November restart.
Why, yes, I think about this a lot.
Last edited by KatW; Apr 12, 2020 at 6:37 pm
#32
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I'm still holding onto my reservation for Sonora Resort for end of July, but unfortunately I might need to move that to next year, there's just so many unknown factor till there's a proven vaccine.
I saw that they extended the stay at home order till May in California, don't even know if that order will continue extending
I saw that they extended the stay at home order till May in California, don't even know if that order will continue extending
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Venues close to home likely will be most accessible whenever “reopening” takes place in one’s region. For me, that’s the San Francisco Bay Area. Which means I may return to places I swore never to visit again. Cases in point, Post Ranch Inn in Big Sur and Calistoga Ranch in Napa. Maybe even Ritz Carlton Half Moon Bay at which I’ve not stayed, put off by the corporate feel, lack of amenities, and, frankly, lack of interest.
Will others be motivated to patronize venues previously eschewed?
Will others be motivated to patronize venues previously eschewed?
Last edited by KatW; Apr 26, 2020 at 6:53 pm
#34
Venues close to home likely will be most accessible whenever “reopening” takes place in one’s region. For me, that’s the San Francisco Bay Area. Which means I may return to places I swore never to visit again. Cases in point, Post Ranch Inn in Big Sur and Calistoga Ranch in Napa. Maybe even Ritz Carlton Half Moon Bay at which I’ve not stayed, put off by the corporate feel, lack of amenities, and, frankly, lack of interest.
Will others be motivated to patronize venues previously eschewed?
Will others be motivated to patronize venues previously eschewed?
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#36
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Australian government is telling us that it is highly likely we won't be travelling internationally until 2021. We have interstate travel bans in Australia too - Qantas group is flying 3 aircraft domestically (instead of ~200), and Virgin Australia is flying one route, once daily (SYD-MEL). They're saying even domestic travel out of our states will take time to be allowed too... So hard to believe this is reality really.
So Paris/TLV in Sep/Oct is probably increasingly unlikely despite me staying positive we can go. Vienna/Lech for Christmas/New Year sounds at risk now too...
So Paris/TLV in Sep/Oct is probably increasingly unlikely despite me staying positive we can go. Vienna/Lech for Christmas/New Year sounds at risk now too...
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From what I read in the Greek press, there "may" be an opening of Greek hotels in two phases in late July - first the hotels that are open year round and a few weeks later the hotels that are seasonal. Also from what I read, again taking everything here with a mega-pinch of salt, initially international visitors from the Balkans and some surrounding countries will be allowed to enter the country. It is unclear whether residents of France, UK, US will be allowed in (and even if we are, it is unclear when flights will resume and whether there will be quarantine requirements).
This was a big year for my partner and I - 10 year anniversary since we met and both have milestone birthdays and consequently we had a number of celebratory "special" trips planned (and booked). Half are cancelled and the other half in limbo. I am fine with everything being cancelled but I cannot fathom the thought of spending the entire summer in London (notwithstanding that we have had nice weather the past couple of weeks).
This was a big year for my partner and I - 10 year anniversary since we met and both have milestone birthdays and consequently we had a number of celebratory "special" trips planned (and booked). Half are cancelled and the other half in limbo. I am fine with everything being cancelled but I cannot fathom the thought of spending the entire summer in London (notwithstanding that we have had nice weather the past couple of weeks).
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We are currently booked to see grizzlies at Khutzy outside Prince Rupert, British Columbia, in early July. I just received the following note:
We have been anxiously waiting for government restrictions to ease, but it seems there is a high chance travel restrictions will remain in place during your tour.
I wrote to the place we are to stay before asking about the anticipated situation this summer. Her response:
We are all taking it day by day, week by week. I know the border closure for non-essential travel with the US has been extended until the end of May. There is more enthusiasm on your side of the border to reopen than ours. Comparatively, Canada is doing quite well with COVID and most Canadians are following the guidelines clearly laid out by our provincial and federal health authorities. Two provinces are discussing small changes to open up a bit. BC has yet to make an announcement and for sure nothing before mid-May. Dr Bonnie, our provincial health officer, has been adopted by everyone as their second mother and we are paying attention.
We are currently closed until mid-June but I feel like we will open up for our summer visitors with some procedural changes like no contact check-ins etc. Most of our guests travel domestically and drive here. This is not the case for most international travellers.
We have been anxiously waiting for government restrictions to ease, but it seems there is a high chance travel restrictions will remain in place during your tour.
I wrote to the place we are to stay before asking about the anticipated situation this summer. Her response:
We are all taking it day by day, week by week. I know the border closure for non-essential travel with the US has been extended until the end of May. There is more enthusiasm on your side of the border to reopen than ours. Comparatively, Canada is doing quite well with COVID and most Canadians are following the guidelines clearly laid out by our provincial and federal health authorities. Two provinces are discussing small changes to open up a bit. BC has yet to make an announcement and for sure nothing before mid-May. Dr Bonnie, our provincial health officer, has been adopted by everyone as their second mother and we are paying attention.
We are currently closed until mid-June but I feel like we will open up for our summer visitors with some procedural changes like no contact check-ins etc. Most of our guests travel domestically and drive here. This is not the case for most international travellers.
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Venues close to home likely will be most accessible whenever “reopening” takes place in one’s region. For me, that’s the San Francisco Bay Area. Which means I may return to places I swore never to visit again. Cases in point, Post Ranch Inn in Big Sur and Calistoga Ranch in Napa. Maybe even Ritz Carlton Half Moon Bay at which I’ve not stayed, put off by the corporate feel, lack of amenities, and, frankly, lack of interest.
Will others be motivated to patronize venues previously eschewed?
Will others be motivated to patronize venues previously eschewed?
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Well , visit to Tassie - octogenarian aunt & Saffire - will have to wait then , along with Pumphouse . Hopefully , can get to Huka Lodge this year along with some others in NZ . Stay had to be aborted April / May .
#42
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It is looking more and more likely that hotels will reopen before airlines start flying again. Norwegian just announced that it will keep the majority of its flights grounded until spring 2021. This means that if and when travel resumes in the next couple of months, we will be restricted to staycations.
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It is looking more and more likely that hotels will reopen before airlines start flying again. Norwegian just announced that it will keep the majority of its flights grounded until spring 2021. This means that if and when travel resumes in the next couple of months, we will be restricted to staycations.
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