Originally Posted by laoshu
(Post 30737370)
Regards |
Interesting. Opening Nov 2019.... announched adter Amanvari, NYC and Costa Rica but opening before all of them fdw |
Originally Posted by FlyingDoctorwu
(Post 30737891)
Interesting. Opening Nov 2019.... announched adter Amanvari, NYC and Costa Rica but opening before all of them fdw |
kyoto >
interior similar to 2013 kerry hill book http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/64943757jw1e2xka0uqhdj.jpg feb 2017 gallivanters guide heard resumed (below ise = nemu, opened mar 2016) 11/27/2013 nikkei article, says construction may 2014 dec 2012 >
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 19897723)
heard that Tokyo is opening in 2014 followed by Kyoto and Ise
during mar 2010 > mar 2013 DLF expended $3m on their 33% stake in aman kyoto in 2007 natural park sold to aman a 33% stake in aman kyoto (plus land in croatia) is / was called Kyoto Resorts YK and was originally land acquisition vs > new - new york (doronin acquired 2015) and cabo maybe never - costa rica - if residences dont presell |
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 30740998)
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. 1) Why not Kerry Hill? He is one of the few out there who pioneered LOCAL architecture and celebrated local building codes, craftsmanship and choices of material. 2) Who wants night life? I certainly don't. 3) I agree, this remains to be seen. 4) I think we have enough of these, don't you think? I am looking forward to the twist that the property brings to the scene. Both R-C and FS are very successful in Kyoto, but a totally different type of property. FS have been very open about trying to be market leader and aiming to raise the ADR in Kyoto over the next years and the Aman project certainly might help with it. I have waited a long time for Kyoto and am curious how it turns out. Certainly gets me more excited than New York or more typical "cities" he is trying to do. |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 30740998)
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. Most luxury properties in Kyoto require a taxi to go places and this isn't any different. I would hope they could do decent kyoryori since we're in Kyoto! |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 30740998)
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. 2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife 3) Remains to be seen 4) Remains to be soon It's an old Zecha/Kerry Hill project so let's see. |
There's only one way to know for sure...so I will go!!!
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Originally Posted by scented
(Post 30741042)
I can be critical of the 'new' Aman but...
1) Why not Kerry Hill? He is one of the few out there who pioneered LOCAL architecture and celebrated local building codes, craftsmanship and choices of material. 2) Who wants night life? I certainly don't. 3) I agree, this remains to be seen. 4) I think we have enough of these, don't you think? I am looking forward to the twist that the property brings to the scene. Both R-C and FS are very successful in Kyoto, but a totally different type of property. FS have been very open about trying to be market leader and aiming to raise the ADR in Kyoto over the next years and the Aman project certainly might help with it. I have waited a long time for Kyoto and am curious how it turns out. Certainly gets me more excited than New York or more typical "cities" he is trying to do.
Originally Posted by chinmoylad
(Post 30741803)
1) He's designed the other two Japanese Amans, and many other Amans - why Kerry Hill in Bali? There's already Hoshinoya, and a slew of actual local ryokans/inns. This brings a nice balance. From the photos at least, I find the Suiran and Four Seasons Kyoto (most rooms, though I do admit they have some themed rooms) far too cookie cutter/contemporary, and the Ritz Kyoto as a whole is actually a luxury international hotel in Kyoto with somee elements of Japanese architecture/design. This is taking it one step further - I'd probably liken it to Amanfayun, but of course it isn't built in a 200-odd year old village with remnants of the old structures.
2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife 3) Remains to be seen 4) Remains to be soon It's an old Zecha/Kerry Hill project so let's see.
Originally Posted by BESVISOR
(Post 30741945)
There's only one way to know for sure...so I will go!!!
Will go to ! Hoping no delays so will potentially run the gauntlet during RWC - what a decision at start of the Year of the Pig ! Blessed Lunar New Year :) Waiting to hear from HQ LON & .. |
Originally Posted by FlyerEC
(Post 30741983)
+1 Will go to ! Hoping no delays so will potentially run the gauntlet during RWC - what a decision at start of the Year of the Pig ! Blessed Lunar New Year :) Waiting to hear from HQ LON & .. |
Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 30741078)
Most luxury properties in Kyoto require a taxi to go places and this isn't any different.
Originally Posted by chinmoylad
(Post 30741803)
2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife
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it definitely would have been interesting and unique if aman had done traditional ryokan style (if someone could design that) but with better regarded dining, service, etc in aman style
80 acres , 28 BR (28 room hiiragiya , 18 room tawaraya) 2 x 2BR villas 4 x 6 room buildings arrival, living, dining, spa buildings however bad, it's not larger box hotel always great to see alternative to box seems zecha used hill (the most), tuttle, gathy for different things presumably zecha could have picked tuttle for kyoto, but did not interesting jaya ibrahim also did (only) fayun and dayan in china https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post30407874 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post11083953 |
Got an email from Aman about this hotel an hour ago. Any ideas on when they they will start taking reservations? Already planning to be in Kyoto in November so would love to spend a night there before resuming my trip. |
Originally Posted by Rusdude
(Post 30748508)
Got an email from Aman about this hotel an hour ago. Any ideas on when they they will start taking reservations? Already planning to be in Kyoto in November so would love to spend a night there before resuming my trip. Peak season (sakura etc) rates are going to be crazy - even more so than Amanemu which are already quite high. |
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