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Is Aman building in Kyoto
I am just looking for somewhere else for another friend
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Yes they are.
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do you know the site?
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Likely ready only after AmanNY opens .. at the rate things have been going ( or not ) . Was hoping in time for RWC 19 , still hoping |
When I was at Amankila back in March I meet a gentlemen (forgot his name) who was head of fire safety for Aman globally. Based in SG, I believe, Aussie bloke. They were doing a fire drill at Kila and I met him then, then chatted with him a few times over the course of my stay. He commented that the Kyoto property would be open in 2019.
But then for Vari & NY to have spots on the website already, and even the Costa Rica one to have a promo video, yet nothing on Kyoto makes me think the 2019 date might be aspirational.... Although I hope not, as I am ready to visit that property as soon as it opens! |
Originally Posted by nmuva98
(Post 30006532)
When I was at Amankila back in March I meet a gentlemen (forgot his name) who was head of fire safety for Aman globally. Based in SG, I believe, Aussie bloke. They were doing a fire drill at Kila and I met him then, then chatted with him a few times over the course of my stay. He commented that the Kyoto property would be open in 2019.
But then for Vari & NY to have spots on the website already, and even the Costa Rica one to have a promo video, yet nothing on Kyoto makes me think the 2019 date might be aspirational.... Although I hope not, as I am ready to visit that property as soon as it opens! Maybe they'll just 'open' it and announce it, like with Amanruya (reopening) without a huge preview etc? Think Amandayan was opened in a similar manner too. |
dayan indeed example to use, under current owner
no residences at kyoto, also not north america |
Anyone know the location for the Aman Kyoto?
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Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30009154)
Anyone know the location for the Aman Kyoto?
Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
(Post 30002420)
do you know the site?
.. I know the area :) , perhaps should not post yet ? |
You can read a lot about Aman Kyoto in the book of Kerry Hill, the architect of the hotel. The renderings and location look very promising :)
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Originally Posted by thedesignhotel
(Post 30046370)
You can read a lot about Aman Kyoto in the book of Kerry Hill, the architect of the hotel. The renderings and location look very promising :)
Can you share link? |
Originally Posted by thedesignhotel
(Post 30046370)
You can read a lot about Aman Kyoto in the book of Kerry Hill, the architect of the hotel. The renderings and location look very promising :)
The fact that the book was published in 2012 and the designs I think had been around for a while at that point show how long this project has taken to get off the ground (and two other Japan Amans came first!) The project name if I remember right was Amaniwa? |
Originally Posted by FlyerEC
(Post 30009405)
Yes , trying to locate it again on Google earth . Forgot “ name “ , drove by area last year . Somewhere between Suiran / bamboo forest & RC Kyoto - sorry not much help here .. hopefully memory will be jolted sooner than later .. I know the area :) , perhaps should not post yet ? Sad that Kerry HILL can no longer oversee any of the refurbishments , of his Aman projects , etcetera . RIP . Near Golden Temple in Takagamine area |
Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
(Post 30002420)
do you know the site?
Originally Posted by FlyerEC
(Post 30002614)
Likely ready only after AmanNY opens .. at the rate things have been going ( or not ) . Was hoping in time for RWC 19 , still hoping
Originally Posted by nmuva98
(Post 30006532)
When I was at Amankila back in March I meet a gentlemen (forgot his name) who was head of fire safety for Aman globally. Based in SG, I believe, Aussie bloke. They were doing a fire drill at Kila and I met him then, then chatted with him a few times over the course of my stay. He commented that the Kyoto property would be open in 2019.
But then for Vari & NY to have spots on the website already, and even the Costa Rica one to have a promo video, yet nothing on Kyoto makes me think the 2019 date might be aspirational.... Although I hope not, as I am ready to visit that property as soon as it opens! But with Kerry HILL s passing it still seems like a construction site though . Suppose one can always make easy day trips from Osaka with more palatable hotel rates .. if not wanting to stay at FS , RC , ryokans or the PH - set to open next year .. But not an Aman ! Really will be a beautiful addition to the Amans in this lovely area with numerous UNESCO heritage sites . |
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Originally Posted by laoshu
(Post 30737370)
Regards |
Interesting. Opening Nov 2019.... announched adter Amanvari, NYC and Costa Rica but opening before all of them fdw |
Originally Posted by FlyingDoctorwu
(Post 30737891)
Interesting. Opening Nov 2019.... announched adter Amanvari, NYC and Costa Rica but opening before all of them fdw |
kyoto >
interior similar to 2013 kerry hill book http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/64943757jw1e2xka0uqhdj.jpg feb 2017 gallivanters guide heard resumed (below ise = nemu, opened mar 2016) 11/27/2013 nikkei article, says construction may 2014 dec 2012 >
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 19897723)
heard that Tokyo is opening in 2014 followed by Kyoto and Ise
during mar 2010 > mar 2013 DLF expended $3m on their 33% stake in aman kyoto in 2007 natural park sold to aman a 33% stake in aman kyoto (plus land in croatia) is / was called Kyoto Resorts YK and was originally land acquisition vs > new - new york (doronin acquired 2015) and cabo maybe never - costa rica - if residences dont presell |
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 30740998)
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. 1) Why not Kerry Hill? He is one of the few out there who pioneered LOCAL architecture and celebrated local building codes, craftsmanship and choices of material. 2) Who wants night life? I certainly don't. 3) I agree, this remains to be seen. 4) I think we have enough of these, don't you think? I am looking forward to the twist that the property brings to the scene. Both R-C and FS are very successful in Kyoto, but a totally different type of property. FS have been very open about trying to be market leader and aiming to raise the ADR in Kyoto over the next years and the Aman project certainly might help with it. I have waited a long time for Kyoto and am curious how it turns out. Certainly gets me more excited than New York or more typical "cities" he is trying to do. |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 30740998)
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. Most luxury properties in Kyoto require a taxi to go places and this isn't any different. I would hope they could do decent kyoryori since we're in Kyoto! |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 30740998)
Count me a skeptic. I'll probably be the first to go, but...
1) Why Kerry Hill. Not criticizing, but traditional Japanese architecture is magical. 2) Why out of the center of things. Long way to go out for Kyoto night life. 3) Highly unlikely they will be able to produce really outstanding Japanese cuisine. 4) Strikes me more as a poor Disneyland copy of what is supposed to be an authentic Japanese experience. This will probably still be a money maker because most foreigners are totally incapable of appreciating Japanese artistic and culinary culture (pearls to swine,) but for Amanjunkies or Japan aficionados, I'm betting this will be a big disappointment. 2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife 3) Remains to be seen 4) Remains to be soon It's an old Zecha/Kerry Hill project so let's see. |
There's only one way to know for sure...so I will go!!!
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Originally Posted by scented
(Post 30741042)
I can be critical of the 'new' Aman but...
1) Why not Kerry Hill? He is one of the few out there who pioneered LOCAL architecture and celebrated local building codes, craftsmanship and choices of material. 2) Who wants night life? I certainly don't. 3) I agree, this remains to be seen. 4) I think we have enough of these, don't you think? I am looking forward to the twist that the property brings to the scene. Both R-C and FS are very successful in Kyoto, but a totally different type of property. FS have been very open about trying to be market leader and aiming to raise the ADR in Kyoto over the next years and the Aman project certainly might help with it. I have waited a long time for Kyoto and am curious how it turns out. Certainly gets me more excited than New York or more typical "cities" he is trying to do.
Originally Posted by chinmoylad
(Post 30741803)
1) He's designed the other two Japanese Amans, and many other Amans - why Kerry Hill in Bali? There's already Hoshinoya, and a slew of actual local ryokans/inns. This brings a nice balance. From the photos at least, I find the Suiran and Four Seasons Kyoto (most rooms, though I do admit they have some themed rooms) far too cookie cutter/contemporary, and the Ritz Kyoto as a whole is actually a luxury international hotel in Kyoto with somee elements of Japanese architecture/design. This is taking it one step further - I'd probably liken it to Amanfayun, but of course it isn't built in a 200-odd year old village with remnants of the old structures.
2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife 3) Remains to be seen 4) Remains to be soon It's an old Zecha/Kerry Hill project so let's see.
Originally Posted by BESVISOR
(Post 30741945)
There's only one way to know for sure...so I will go!!!
Will go to ! Hoping no delays so will potentially run the gauntlet during RWC - what a decision at start of the Year of the Pig ! Blessed Lunar New Year :) Waiting to hear from HQ LON & .. |
Originally Posted by FlyerEC
(Post 30741983)
+1 Will go to ! Hoping no delays so will potentially run the gauntlet during RWC - what a decision at start of the Year of the Pig ! Blessed Lunar New Year :) Waiting to hear from HQ LON & .. |
Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 30741078)
Most luxury properties in Kyoto require a taxi to go places and this isn't any different.
Originally Posted by chinmoylad
(Post 30741803)
2) I don't think most people are going to Aman or Kyoto (on this forum) for its nightlife
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it definitely would have been interesting and unique if aman had done traditional ryokan style (if someone could design that) but with better regarded dining, service, etc in aman style
80 acres , 28 BR (28 room hiiragiya , 18 room tawaraya) 2 x 2BR villas 4 x 6 room buildings arrival, living, dining, spa buildings however bad, it's not larger box hotel always great to see alternative to box seems zecha used hill (the most), tuttle, gathy for different things presumably zecha could have picked tuttle for kyoto, but did not interesting jaya ibrahim also did (only) fayun and dayan in china https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post30407874 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxu...l#post11083953 |
Got an email from Aman about this hotel an hour ago. Any ideas on when they they will start taking reservations? Already planning to be in Kyoto in November so would love to spend a night there before resuming my trip. |
Originally Posted by Rusdude
(Post 30748508)
Got an email from Aman about this hotel an hour ago. Any ideas on when they they will start taking reservations? Already planning to be in Kyoto in November so would love to spend a night there before resuming my trip. Peak season (sakura etc) rates are going to be crazy - even more so than Amanemu which are already quite high. |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 30747998)
Tawaraya,Hiragiya?
Go to Kyoto and not visit Gion or eat in Pontocho? Phum Baitang is a long way from Siem Reap town/nightlife/food streets etc. I'm sure people will manage. |
Originally Posted by chinmoylad
(Post 30749275)
No date set yet, expected to be around March when they start taking reservations.
Peak season (sakura etc) rates are going to be crazy - even more so than Amanemu which are already quite high. |
Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 30749340)
Could start at 250000 or even 300000 yen ++ considering what a base room at RC, FS can be during that season. Hope they don't go nuts and double their Kyoto competitors' prices.
i wonder if Aman would offer ryokan-like packages (dinner & breakfast). |
Originally Posted by Rusdude
(Post 30749751)
i wonder if Aman would offer ryokan-like packages (dinner & breakfast). |
during peak they could charge anything they wanted
semi dynamic rates even more variable than giri/gani 26 rooms one of smallest aman, and vs FS RC etc seems outside peak kyoto demand is not crazy |
Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
(Post 30750323)
during peak they could charge anything they wanted
semi dynamic rates even more variable than giri/gani 26 rooms one of smallest aman, and vs FS RC etc seems outside peak kyoto demand is not crazy |
26 room aman includes 2 2BR villa
rooms will be bigger as well what are FS kyoto corp rates? other hotels have award guests aug 27 entry vs apr 5 peak 140 room FS (+30 more residences) _65 220 35 49-53m2 deluxe _70 226 40 53-61m2 premier _80 239 03 53m2 premier kyoto _80 239 22 52-53m2 premier garden _85 247 10 53m2 four seasons 125 290 07 71-76m2 exec suite 150 320 05 98-103m2 suite 180 350 04 83m2 residence 180 350 01 130m2 tatami dining 220 400 16 104-107m2 garden 280 480 04 150m2 2BR garden 300 510 02 160-180m2 2BR corner + 01 245m2 2BR presidential residences mention > dedicated ambassador rolls royce drop off 3km minibar welcome glass of champagne at tea house garment pressing on arrival spa treatments add 20 min optional in room chef (kitchen) 134 room RC _70 195 215 49 45m2 deluxe _75 200 220 13 45m2 deluxe garden _90 225 245 55 52m2 luxury 125 245 ___ 01 65m2 garden suite 145 265 275 01 62m2 garden terrace tatami 155 275 ___ 01 100m2 corner tatami 165 345 ___ 03 100m2 corner kita 175 355 ___ 04 62m2 garden terrace 195 385 ___ 02 115m2 corner minami 215 455 ___ 03 125m2 kamogawa 305 605 ___ 01 140m2 tsukimi + 01 212m2 ritz carlton 100m2 tatami suite can be less than 52m2 room 39 room suiran (low jun 17) _62 _95 40m2 suigetsu _72 105 39m2 tsukinone _87 120 38m2 yuzunoha 117 150 59m2 shirosumire 117 150 65m2 kyotsukikoto 167 200 62m2 akatokitsuyu exec 167 200 60m2 togetus exec 267 300 71m2 gyokuto suite 367 400 94m2 suiran extremely strange as not % premium 187 room hyatt regency _32 _ 28m2n room _38 _ 30-33m2 deluxe _57 _ 46-59m2 corner _77 _ 60m2 balcony 107 _ 70m2 exec 112 _ 90m2 regency 122 _ 88m2 kyoto IIRC room peaks over 60? or not? edit - ah, rates down after RC & FS 25 room hoshinoya 44 122 33-26m2 mizuone across river from suiran |
Hyatt Regency should be excluded from the big boys table in Kyoto luxury now. Just does not hold a candle to the other properties. The upcoming PH may be more appropriate.
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seem to recall regency having insane peak rates, could be wrong. above rates show suite entry rates are about same between regency, FS, RC.
Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 30752995)
The entry suites might be the same prices but the Regency suite quality isn't there. More business hotel than luxurious. Aman will definitely be in demand because the Kansai region has deep pockets, then, there's everyone else who will want to be there too.
26 room aman also means high buyout demand FS buyout says available january through early march but excludes public spaces, 3 restaurants, spa, gym perhaps buying out residences makes a difference one michelin star sushi seats 22, 3 seatings per day |
Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 30750061)
Personally, I wouldn't take it. Too many delicious places to go and enjoy in Kyoto.
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