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Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.

Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:

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 DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22
 FRA LH TO LH
 FRA-FRA      FROM          -             TO             D/D  D/I  I/D  I/I
 CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM
 LH                BUS      -                            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -                  TRN       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH           BR            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           EG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ET            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           IN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           JP            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           QA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           TH            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           US            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ZA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -             US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           KJR           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KWQ           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QDU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH 0400-0799               -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                        Y-                  TRN       0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KJR          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KWQ          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QDU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKL          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           ZWS          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH                       CA-                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       AC-                  TRN       ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH           PL          LO-                            ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH           PL          LO-             SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 0100 0100
 -LH           BR             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           EG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ET             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           IN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           JP             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           QA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           SG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TH             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ZA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TLV            ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRN      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH                          0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH                BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                TRS      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   BUS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           XER  BUS      -LH           SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           TLV            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 SG             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 ZA             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                BUS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH                        Y-LH                BUS       ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                       AC-LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0200 ----
 LH           US          UA-LH                          ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       UA-LH           BY             ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH                       EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0100
 -LH                       AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 -LH           PL          LO ---- 0100 ---- ----
 -LH           BR          OS ---- 0100 ---- ----
 SC            -LH           PL          LO ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 LH                BUS      -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           BY            -LH                       UA ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH           QDU           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH                       LG-LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH                       LG ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH           AT          OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
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Old Aug 28, 2010, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by djMEL
Will be flying LH from TXL-FRA, connecting to SQ from FRA to SIN, on two different PNRs in Jan 2011. Is 1h15m likely to be an adequate time to make this connection in winter? Are TXL or FRA susceptible to weather delays at this time of year?

Also, will I be able to check my baggage through from TXL-SIN, or will I have to recheck at FRA?
I was going to suggest you check the SQ forum as well but you have cross posted the same question there already, which of course is against the FT TOS.

If you can't through check your baggage there's little chance of making this connection.

Even if it's possible to through check baggage I wouldn't attempt this connection myself on two separate PNRs.
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Originally Posted by djMEL
Hi all,

Will be flying LH from TXL-FRA, connecting to SQ from FRA to SIN, on two different PNRs in Jan 2011. Is 1h15m likely to be an adequate time to make this connection in winter? Are TXL or FRA susceptible to weather delays at this time of year?

Also, will I be able to check my baggage through from TXL-SIN, or will I have to recheck at FRA?

Thanks in anticipation of your assistance.
Given that your flights are on time and that you can check your luggage through, you should be able to make it easily!
You will most likely arrive in Terminal 1 A and your SQ flight will leave from B. There is a tunnel between A and B and it would take you around 15-20 min to get to the B gates.
Even if your flight from TXL would be on an apron position you would be bussed to B that would be even closer.
Additionally you do not have to clear security again so the only "bottleneck" is immigration!
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Originally Posted by djMEL
Hi all,

Will be flying LH from TXL-FRA, connecting to SQ from FRA to SIN, on two different PNRs in Jan 2011. Is 1h15m likely to be an adequate time to make this connection in winter? Are TXL or FRA susceptible to weather delays at this time of year?

Also, will I be able to check my baggage through from TXL-SIN, or will I have to recheck at FRA?

Thanks in anticipation of your assistance.
As others have said, this is a pretty dangerous connection to have on separate PNRs. I'd only do it this way if you're prepared for the possibility that you no-show the FRA-SIN segment (could be penalty + fare difference to rebook on another flight). Considering how frequent TXL-FRA service is, it shouldn't be hard to make the connection a bit more comfortable.

You also asked if TXL or FRA are susceptible to weather delays in January...you do know that winter is the time of year when it snows, right?
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I have a similar question, so I figured I would just post it here.

I have *G status and I would be taking SQ25 FRA-SIN in J departing at 1235. Is it possible to check in at the airport the night before and hang around in the transit area before the SEN lounges open the next morning? I would be travelling in from Berlin via Deutsche Bahn and I would prefer not to have to spend the night at Sheraton in FRA. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by eriond
I have *G status and I would be taking SQ25 FRA-SIN in J departing at 1235. Is it possible to check in at the airport the night before and hang around in the transit area before the SEN lounges open the next morning? I would be travelling in from Berlin via Deutsche Bahn and I would prefer not to have to spend the night at Sheraton in FRA. Thanks!
I can't answer your question about checking in the night before but there are cheaper hotels near the airport, e.g.

http://www.parkinn.com/airporthotel-frankfurt

If you insist on sleeping at the airport there's this website:

http://www.sleepinginairports.net/europe/frankfurt.htm

Frankfurt Airport publishes a leaflet called "Your overnight stay in FRA" and lists rest areas with divan beds but I think these are probably airside and may not be of use to you:

T1, between Area B and C, Level 3
T1, CD-Pier, Levels 2 and 3
T2, Areas D and E, Level 3
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I'm arriving HKG-ZRH-FRA on LH (LX F connecting to LH C), and connecting to AB (FRA-TXL) on a rail-and-fly ticket (overnight in Berlin Mitte, train the next day to Leipzig). Yes, I know, shouldn't mix tickets, well, the arrival for FRA is mid-morning; departure is mid-afternoon (so a 5-ish hour layover). Oh, and the whole combo was 64 euros. I figure if things go completely pear-shaped to the point where I miss the AB flight I'll just swallow hard and buy a DB ticket to Berlin.

So...

- Since I'll have cooled my heels a bit in ZRH's FCL already (and this will be a Schengen flight) and my return flight to home (FRA-SEA) is also in F and would be eligible for the whole FCT/car ride etc. thing, I may skip the FRA FCL*- I have other things in FRA I'd like to see. If I don't, though, are the ZRH flights in A, and close to the A lounge/LH Welcome lounge or train into the city, or sort of randomly scattered through T1, or even remote standed?

- Realistically, when should I arrive at FRA T2 for a midafternoon weekday domestic departure? Is the terminal a zoo at that hour? Does AB have stupid long lines for checkin at that point (I'll have "you peon" status)? I may have to check a bag (since AB is rather draconian on carryon rules- ONE item, even though I plan to travel just using carryons). I realize I'll need to reclear security, and apparently AB will need to print my rail ticket for me at the checkin desk (since mailing it to me isn't going to work- I'll have been out of the country for weeks by the time it gets there). I know AB's guideline is "45 minutes"- just need to know if I should pad that some.

- I'm thinking if I do the reverse going home, buy an AB rail/fly combo and take the train from Leipzig to Berlin my last day in Germany, and then use another cheap AB flight, that I should arrive in FRA the night before on the AB late flight and crash at a nearby airport hotel? The alternative is about a 2.5 hour connection, and having to possibly claim luggage AND schlep terminals in short order (ugh), plus getting to TXL at oh-dark-hundred for an early flight... plus the risk of once again things going pear-shaped (and while missing the AB flight to TXL would suck, missing the LH flight to SEA is a non-starter and simply cannot happen).

* I realize they may revoke my "US DM LH Experience Maximizer card" for this. I can live with that.
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
I'm arriving HKG-ZRH-FRA on LH (LX F connecting to LH C), and connecting to AB (FRA-TXL) on a rail-and-fly ticket (overnight in Berlin Mitte, train the next day to Leipzig). Yes, I know, shouldn't mix tickets, well, the arrival for FRA is mid-morning; departure is mid-afternoon (so a 5-ish hour layover). Oh, and the whole combo was 64 euros. I figure if things go completely pear-shaped to the point where I miss the AB flight I'll just swallow hard and buy a DB ticket to Berlin.

So...

- Since I'll have cooled my heels a bit in ZRH's FCL already (and this will be a Schengen flight) and my return flight to home (FRA-SEA) is also in F and would be eligible for the whole FCT/car ride etc. thing, I may skip the FRA FCL*- I have other things in FRA I'd like to see. If I don't, though, are the ZRH flights in A, and close to the A lounge/LH Welcome lounge or train into the city, or sort of randomly scattered through T1, or even remote standed?

- Realistically, when should I arrive at FRA T2 for a midafternoon weekday domestic departure? Is the terminal a zoo at that hour? Does AB have stupid long lines for checkin at that point (I'll have "you peon" status)? I may have to check a bag (since AB is rather draconian on carryon rules- ONE item, even though I plan to travel just using carryons). I realize I'll need to reclear security, and apparently AB will need to print my rail ticket for me at the checkin desk (since mailing it to me isn't going to work- I'll have been out of the country for weeks by the time it gets there). I know AB's guideline is "45 minutes"- just need to know if I should pad that some.

- I'm thinking if I do the reverse going home, buy an AB rail/fly combo and take the train from Leipzig to Berlin my last day in Germany, and then use another cheap AB flight, that I should arrive in FRA the night before on the AB late flight and crash at a nearby airport hotel? The alternative is about a 2.5 hour connection, and having to possibly claim luggage AND schlep terminals in short order (ugh), plus getting to TXL at oh-dark-hundred for an early flight... plus the risk of once again things going pear-shaped (and while missing the AB flight to TXL would suck, missing the LH flight to SEA is a non-starter and simply cannot happen).

* I realize they may revoke my "US DM LH Experience Maximizer card" for this. I can live with that.
Anything wrong with the direct train FRA-Leipzig and Leipzig-FRA? The routing via Berlin does not make a lot of sense to me except you are there for a reason.
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Anything wrong with the direct train FRA-Leipzig and Leipzig-FRA?
Yes. I want to go to Berlin as part of my trip to Germany. (I plan on hitting Dresden, too, but I can do that as a day trip while staying in Leipzig for the festival I'm attending there.) I realize a couple of days there bookending my time in Leipzig won't be enough to get much more than a taste, but I can always come back. I've spent a decent amount of time in western Germany (the surrounding area of Frankfurt/Mainz/Taunus, the NRW in Koeln and Duesseldorf, going up the Rhine, even), but I'd like to hit Eastern Germany on this trip.
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
I'm arriving HKG-ZRH-FRA on LH (LX F connecting to LH C), and connecting to AB (FRA-TXL) on a rail-and-fly ticket (overnight in Berlin Mitte, train the next day to Leipzig). Yes, I know, shouldn't mix tickets, well, the arrival for FRA is mid-morning; departure is mid-afternoon (so a 5-ish hour layover). Oh, and the whole combo was 64 euros. I figure if things go completely pear-shaped to the point where I miss the AB flight I'll just swallow hard and buy a DB ticket to Berlin.

So...
And what's the question?
I'm afraid I don't know anything about FRA T2.

Your other question seems to be this:
If I don't, though, are the ZRH flights in A, and close to the A lounge/LH Welcome lounge or train into the city, or sort of randomly scattered through T1, or even remote standed?
If you check the Flight Status section of LH.com you will find that ZRH flights can arrive at an A gate or a bus gate. The Welcome Lounge (#5 on this map) is more or less on the way to the S-Bahn station. Unless you really want to maximize it may not be worth going to the A FCL.
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I'm afraid I don't know anything about FRA T2.
Should have guessed that might be the answer in the LH forum.

But hey, maybe someone flies one of Germany's OTHER airlines (inferior to LH though they might be, at least at FRA ) and goes through FRA T2 on a domestic flight. (I've actually arrived and flown out of T2- flew DL DTW-FRA and KL FRA-AMS. I wish the DL lounge was still there- it was quite nice. And I preferred DL in Y to LH in Y.)

I'm mostly just concerned if midafternoon on a weekday is rush hour in that part of the terminal- huge lines and so on. I travel light and move quickly, but knowing if I need to pad my schedule would be nice.

The Welcome Lounge (#5 on this map) is more or less on the way to the S-Bahn station.
Cool. That's where I'll stop, then, if I want to "maximize" things.
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
Yes. I want to go to Berlin as part of my trip to Germany. (I plan on hitting Dresden, too, but I can do that as a day trip while staying in Leipzig for the festival I'm attending there.) I realize a couple of days there bookending my time in Leipzig won't be enough to get much more than a taste, but I can always come back. I've spent a decent amount of time in western Germany (the surrounding area of Frankfurt/Mainz/Taunus, the NRW in Koeln and Duesseldorf, going up the Rhine, even), but I'd like to hit Eastern Germany on this trip.
It might be wise to avoid calling Berlin "Eastern Germany" at least as long as you will stay west of the Brandenburg Gate.
Anyway, you can't book rail&fly on AB in connection with a domestic ticket.
Enjoy the WGF and the great city of Leipzig.
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It might be wise to avoid calling Berlin "Eastern Germany" at least as long as you will stay west of the Brandenburg Gate.
Well, I used Eastern because I meant geography, not East (or the DDR)

And Leipzig and Dresden are most certainly not part of the former West Berlin...
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
But hey, maybe someone flies one of Germany's OTHER airlines (inferior to LH though they might be, at least at FRA ) and goes through FRA T2 on a domestic flight.
Yes, they certainly do and post in another forum.
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
I'm mostly just concerned if midafternoon on a weekday is rush hour in that part of the terminal- huge lines and so on. I travel light and move quickly, but knowing if I need to pad my schedule would be nice.
No need to worry. T2 is not even remotely as busy as T1. There are some peak times though.
There are normally no "huge lines" at the Air Berlin check in counter. And even if you're late, there is a thing called "fast track" at T2, which basically is a security lane dedicated for people on flights leaving soon so it is not for business pax etc...if you are leaving from T2 do not forget that you have to take a shuttle train or bus from T1 which takes about 10 min!
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Just wanted to post my thanks for this thread... immensely helpful for my recent trip. ^
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