Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
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DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Mar 14, 2010, 6:08 pm
#166
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First Time Connecting in FRA: Security?
Hi all,
I will be connecting in FRA later this month, coming in from the US and flying out to India with 1:05 connection time. Both flights are operated by LH.
1. Is this enough connection time in FRA?
2. I will be taking a desktop computer CPU tower with me in my carry-on. I have verified that I will not have an issue clearing security in the US. Will there be another security check in FRA? If so, will they allow me to carry the CPU with me?
Thanks,
sntrao
I will be connecting in FRA later this month, coming in from the US and flying out to India with 1:05 connection time. Both flights are operated by LH.
1. Is this enough connection time in FRA?
2. I will be taking a desktop computer CPU tower with me in my carry-on. I have verified that I will not have an issue clearing security in the US. Will there be another security check in FRA? If so, will they allow me to carry the CPU with me?
Thanks,
sntrao
Mar 14, 2010, 11:02 pm
#167
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I often take UA 933 with a connection from ARN, which usually landed me in the upper Schengen A gates. With the closure of the RCC then it appears that all the UA flights are from the upstairs non-Schengen A gates, which is very convenient if you get an A gate.
Once I took a shortcut by going through passport control up into the A gates and then taking the Sky train on the non-Schengen side to the C gates. Previosuly, I always took the train ride on the Schengen side, which dumps you in the check-in area and then quite a long walk to the passport control (and security in the past) for the C gates.
The LH/UA cooperation is dreadful. Last September 933 was cancelled so I headed to the A25 Senator lounge to try to get on the LH ORD flight. They could do nothing so I quickly call UA in the States (can't help me), so I hopped the Sky train to the check-in area. (Frist I tried to go upstairs but the passport control was unmanned and people were waiting for the police to return.) The elite check-in area had a dozen idle agents (LH staff) who could do nothing with 100 people in line for one or two UA staff doing rebooking. No premium lines, of course. So then I race over to C, go through passport and up to the RCC (this was 2 weeks before it closed). The guy in front of me is being rebooked to ORD and took the last seat. For me, no cigar.
To make matters worse they had kindly rebooked me automatically on Air India through EWR with a 7 hour layover. Gee, thanks, UA.
Do they have UA staff now in the Tower lounge?
Once I took a shortcut by going through passport control up into the A gates and then taking the Sky train on the non-Schengen side to the C gates. Previosuly, I always took the train ride on the Schengen side, which dumps you in the check-in area and then quite a long walk to the passport control (and security in the past) for the C gates.
The LH/UA cooperation is dreadful. Last September 933 was cancelled so I headed to the A25 Senator lounge to try to get on the LH ORD flight. They could do nothing so I quickly call UA in the States (can't help me), so I hopped the Sky train to the check-in area. (Frist I tried to go upstairs but the passport control was unmanned and people were waiting for the police to return.) The elite check-in area had a dozen idle agents (LH staff) who could do nothing with 100 people in line for one or two UA staff doing rebooking. No premium lines, of course. So then I race over to C, go through passport and up to the RCC (this was 2 weeks before it closed). The guy in front of me is being rebooked to ORD and took the last seat. For me, no cigar.
To make matters worse they had kindly rebooked me automatically on Air India through EWR with a 7 hour layover. Gee, thanks, UA.
Do they have UA staff now in the Tower lounge?
Mar 15, 2010, 12:46 am
#168
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According to this post in the UA forum, in January there was a UA rep in the Tower Lounge.
Mar 15, 2010, 3:02 pm
#169
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There will be another security check in FRA. As long as the bag with the PC is inside the size/weight limitations there is no problem. I am often travelling with all kind of electronic equipment. Sometimes they swab it and check for explosives etc.
1 hour is doable if your inbound is on time. Depending on where you arrive and depart it can be a loooooong walk (like arriving in C and departing in A or vv)
1 hour is doable if your inbound is on time. Depending on where you arrive and depart it can be a loooooong walk (like arriving in C and departing in A or vv)
Mar 15, 2010, 3:17 pm
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There might even be two additional security checks, if you are unlucky enough to depart from the B30 - B35 gates. They are used for non-schengen shorthaul (e.g. to the UK) and misteriously have a secondary security check. If this is the case, 1 hr 5 mins is really tough ...
Mar 15, 2010, 4:47 pm
#171
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A very specific FRA connection question
I'm deliberately starting a new thread because I got a lot of helpful advice a few days ago with my rather general question. But I have been following the daily FRA arrival gate of LH439 and while it's normally BNS (from where I assumed I would walk to C13 to connect to LH686), today the arrival gate was A60. Looking at the Beginners' Guide to Connecting at FRA," I see I should take the Sky Line Train to get to C13. Now I'm really confused. I thought the train linked terminals 1 and 2. Is the train also used for internal transfers within Terminal 1?
I see that LH686 very often has a late departure. Perhaps it's to accommodate all the passengers making legal-sixty-minute connections.
I see that LH686 very often has a late departure. Perhaps it's to accommodate all the passengers making legal-sixty-minute connections.
Mar 15, 2010, 5:16 pm
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Yes, it links T1A to T1C, too. Otherwise your walk would be pretty long.
Mar 15, 2010, 10:52 pm
#173
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The SkyLine train has 3 stops: T1 A, T1 B/C and T2 D/E. The T1 B/C stop is where concourses B and C meet as you will see on this map.
It's still quite a long walk from the B/C stop to C13 but much shorter than walking all the way from A60 as Flying Lawyer says. I don't even know if it's possible to walk all the way from A60 to C13 without entering the Schengen part of the terminal.
I once timed a walk from A63 to C15 (SEN lounge) via the SkyLine train and it took 17 mins.
It's still quite a long walk from the B/C stop to C13 but much shorter than walking all the way from A60 as Flying Lawyer says. I don't even know if it's possible to walk all the way from A60 to C13 without entering the Schengen part of the terminal.
I once timed a walk from A63 to C15 (SEN lounge) via the SkyLine train and it took 17 mins.
Mar 16, 2010, 12:35 pm
#174
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Hi all,
I will be connecting in FRA later this month, coming in from the US and flying out to India with 1:05 connection time. Both flights are operated by LH.
1. Is this enough connection time in FRA?
2. I will be taking a desktop computer CPU tower with me in my carry-on. I have verified that I will not have an issue clearing security in the US. Will there be another security check in FRA? If so, will they allow me to carry the CPU with me?
Thanks,
sntrao
I will be connecting in FRA later this month, coming in from the US and flying out to India with 1:05 connection time. Both flights are operated by LH.
1. Is this enough connection time in FRA?
2. I will be taking a desktop computer CPU tower with me in my carry-on. I have verified that I will not have an issue clearing security in the US. Will there be another security check in FRA? If so, will they allow me to carry the CPU with me?
Thanks,
sntrao
If not you won't have a chance.
2. I'm not completely sure. If there is a security check you will be probably asked to unpacked the PC to send it through the X-Ray. They might even give it a secondary check.
Mar 17, 2010, 8:01 am
#175
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Questions about Arrival at a Remote Apron Position and Bus Gates
I have been tracking the arrival gate of LH493 at FRA and for the longest time it has been BNS which of course means "Non-Schengen arrivals at Bus Gate". I have two questions:
(1) LH 493 is an A340-600. That must take alot of time to transfer all those passengers from a remote apron position and drive them to the main terminal by a bus. For those of us in economy class (ie. NO limousine), how long should it take for the whole process?
(2) By reading the "Beginner's Guide", I see that the most common BUS GATES are B3-8, B11-18, B30-33 and B50-62. As you exit the bus and go into these Bus Gates, is there an extra security check or just the same as if you had arrived at an ordinary arrival gate?
Our eventual destination is LH4086 which will depart most likely somewhere in the A Gates and least likely from the B Gates.
(1) LH 493 is an A340-600. That must take alot of time to transfer all those passengers from a remote apron position and drive them to the main terminal by a bus. For those of us in economy class (ie. NO limousine), how long should it take for the whole process?
(2) By reading the "Beginner's Guide", I see that the most common BUS GATES are B3-8, B11-18, B30-33 and B50-62. As you exit the bus and go into these Bus Gates, is there an extra security check or just the same as if you had arrived at an ordinary arrival gate?
Our eventual destination is LH4086 which will depart most likely somewhere in the A Gates and least likely from the B Gates.
Mar 17, 2010, 8:27 am
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It's hard to say how long it takes. May be up to 10 mins?
(2) By reading the "Beginner's Guide", I see that the most common BUS GATES are B3-8, B11-18, B30-33 and B50-62. As you exit the bus and go into these Bus Gates, is there an extra security check or just the same as if you had arrived at an ordinary arrival gate?
Our eventual destination is LH4086 which will depart most likely somewhere in the A Gates and least likely from the B Gates.
Our eventual destination is LH4086 which will depart most likely somewhere in the A Gates and least likely from the B Gates.
The bus gate numbers you mention are for departures. There is no security check when you get to B International Arrivals. If you are connecting to a Schengen flight you first go up to passport control (on level 3 I believe) then follow the signs to your departure gate. There will be security check after you go through passport control.
Mar 21, 2010, 12:01 pm
#177
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Question on FRA Connection
Hi all,
Will be flying ATL-xFRA-FLR on LH in a few weeks. Was wondering where I would be passing immigrations and customs?
I've heard that I'd pass immigration in FRA but customs upon landing in FLR?
Thanks.
Will be flying ATL-xFRA-FLR on LH in a few weeks. Was wondering where I would be passing immigrations and customs?
I've heard that I'd pass immigration in FRA but customs upon landing in FLR?
Thanks.
Mar 21, 2010, 12:31 pm
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Please check this thread if you haven't done so already.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...cting-fra.html
Mar 21, 2010, 12:37 pm
#179
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You heard it correctly. Strictly speaking you go through customs for your hand luggage in FRA but probably don't even notice it.
Please check this thread if you haven't done so already.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...cting-fra.html
Please check this thread if you haven't done so already.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...cting-fra.html
Can I assume that LH in ATL will be able to print the FRA-FLR boarding pass?
Mar 21, 2010, 12:54 pm
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