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Old Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
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Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.

Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:

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 DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22
 FRA LH TO LH
 FRA-FRA      FROM          -             TO             D/D  D/I  I/D  I/I
 CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM
 LH                BUS      -                            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -                  TRN       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH           BR            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           EG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ET            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           IN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           JP            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           QA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           TH            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           US            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ZA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -             US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           KJR           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KWQ           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QDU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH 0400-0799               -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                        Y-                  TRN       0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KJR          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KWQ          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QDU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKL          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           ZWS          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH                       CA-                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       AC-                  TRN       ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH           PL          LO-                            ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH           PL          LO-             SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 0100 0100
 -LH           BR             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           EG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ET             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           IN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           JP             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           QA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           SG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TH             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ZA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TLV            ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRN      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH                          0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH                BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                TRS      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   BUS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           XER  BUS      -LH           SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           TLV            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 SG             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 ZA             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                BUS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH                        Y-LH                BUS       ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                       AC-LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0200 ----
 LH           US          UA-LH                          ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       UA-LH           BY             ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH                       EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0100
 -LH                       AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 -LH           PL          LO ---- 0100 ---- ----
 -LH           BR          OS ---- 0100 ---- ----
 SC            -LH           PL          LO ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 LH                BUS      -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           BY            -LH                       UA ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH           QDU           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH                       LG-LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH                       LG ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH           AT          OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by clubman
Tuesday.

LH4739 arrives at FRA 21:35 and LH690 departs 22:25.

Thanks all, sounds like very mixed opinions as to how risky it is...
Really, I get a different impression from this thread.
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 1:36 pm
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Do let us know how it works out? Fingers crossed!
If you misconnect you'll have plenty of time to post about it...
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 1:40 pm
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Originally Posted by olm022
Out of curiosity, on which day are you flying? Like NewbieRunner, I can't find a 50-minute LHR-FRA-TLV option
I didn't say I could not figure out which flights the OP was planning to take. As you will see below I could not find any LH4739/LH690 connection for sale on lh.com.

Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
If your connection is offered for sale on lh.com it will be a legal connection. On a few random dates I have tried I cannot find the LH4739/LH690 combination.
Originally Posted by clubman
LH4739 arrives at FRA 21:35 and LH690 departs 22:25.

Thanks all, sounds like very mixed opinions as to how risky it is...
Originally Posted by mamb0
Really, I get a different impression from this thread.
Yes, I agree...
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by HJsimpson
This is what was told to me by LH over the phone as well (60 min MCT). But US Air didn't have any issues issuing the ticket.
In case of a tight LH to LH connection I would always check if lh.com sells that connection by trying a dummy booking. Here's another example of an airline (not LH) issuing a ticket for a very tight connection which may not be legal.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...will-i-ok.html
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by mamb0
Really, I get a different impression from this thread.
Reading the posts here again, yes you're right...
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Rambuster
If you misconnect you'll have plenty of time to post about it...
yes a whole night in fact!
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 2:22 pm
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Originally Posted by clubman
yes a whole night in fact!
There is LY 356 leaving Fra at 22:50cet which you should be able to reach easily if on LH 4739 or why not takeLY318 and BA0163 leaving LHR at 22:30gmt going directly to TLV

or in case you want m&m miles:

LX 467 18:20 LCY - 21:00 ZRH
LX 256 22:45 ZRH - 03:30 +1 TLV

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Old Jul 30, 2010, 9:35 am
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Do let us know how it works out? Fingers crossed!
Will have to let you guys know next time I book this...

Manages to change a meeting so taking a direct BA flight in the morning.

thanks for all your input.
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A few connection questions for you FRA experts

Arriving from CPH on SK in C and connecting to LH to JFK in F with a 75 min scheduled connection time.

SK from CPH seem to arrive all over the place and LH to JFK seems to leave from A. Should I go to the FCL B or go outside for some fresh air and a quick walk to the FCT?

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Originally Posted by SASDC8
Arriving from CPH on SK in C and connecting to LH to JFK in F with a 75 min scheduled connection time.

SK from CPH seem to arrive all over the place and LH to JFK seems to leave from A. Should I go to the FCL B or go outside for some fresh air and a quick walk to the FCT?
I was going to reply 75 mins should be enough for a Schengen to non-Schengen connection before realising this was a different question.

Since you are arriving from Schengen I think it will be easier to walk to the FCT to go through passport control and security there than to go to the FCL B.
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Thanks for swift and clear advise NewbieRunner ^

Looking forward to my transfer now
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Hello everyone,

I am not familiar with FRA (tend to avoid it as much as I can), so I could use some advice regarding an upcoming trip.

I have the following itinerary booked:
- LH4743 LHR-FRA 06:25-08:55
- LH3516 FRA-BEY 10:15-15:00

So, I have 80 minutes to transfer. I'm trying to estimate the risk of missing the connection (expertflyer's reliability figures on LH4743 suggest that the flight 82% on-time, with an average delay of 20 minutes).

My key question is: do you know whether flights to BEY (Beirut) are subject to special/long security screenings?

Also, from LH's website flights from LHR seems to get always B gates (mostly BNS, bus gates) and flights to BEY appear to depart from B gates too. However, on FRA airport webiste LH incoming flights from LHR are indicated as arriving to a variety of different gates (A, B, C...?), which could add considerable time to the connection.

What's your view? The alternative would be to do an overnight, hence a bit of a pain in the neck.

Thanks in advance for any input!
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Old Aug 2, 2010, 6:08 am
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Originally Posted by flying_pig
I have the following itinerary booked:
- LH4743 LHR-FRA 06:25-08:55
- LH3516 FRA-BEY 10:15-15:00

So, I have 80 minutes to transfer. I'm trying to estimate the risk of missing the connection (expertflyer's reliability figures on LH4743 suggest that the flight 82% on-time, with an average delay of 20 minutes).
A rule of thumb I'd apply in such a case is if lufthansa.com sells the itinerary. If they do and you are on one ticket they will look after you should the incoming flight be late and you misconnect. The worst that might happen is you'll be put on the 21:05 flight to BEY. If you are lucky they may reroute you via LHR.
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
A rule of thumb I'd apply in such a case is if lufthansa.com sells the itinerary. If they do and you are on one ticket they will look after you should the incoming flight be late and you misconnect. The worst that might happen is you'll be put on the 21:05 flight to BEY. If you are lucky they may reroute you via LHR.
Thanks for your reply NewbieRunner. I am trying to assess my chances; for example: is the connection doable with a 30-40 minutes delay (ie: with 40-50 minutes in FRA)?

From the information that I gathered here on FT and my memories of FRA, I have a feeling that it should be doable with plenty of time to spare IF the LHR flight arrives at B gates and the BEY one departs from B gates too (ie: a non-schengen to non-schengen B connection). But do all LHR flights arrive at B gates (who is correct, the LH site or the FRA airport one)? Or, will the BEY flight require additional security checks?

My problem is that I need to be in BEY in the afternoon, and all other possible flights arrive too late. Let's say that I wouldn't justify an overnight in FRA if my chances of making the connection were >90-95%.
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Old Aug 2, 2010, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by flying_pig
Thanks for your reply NewbieRunner. I am trying to assess my chances; for example: is the connection doable with a 30-40 minutes delay (ie: with 40-50 minutes in FRA)?

From the information that I gathered here on FT and my memories of FRA, I have a feeling that it should be doable with plenty of time to spare IF the LHR flight arrives at B gates and the BEY one departs from B gates too (ie: a non-schengen to non-schengen B connection). But do all LHR flights arrive at B gates (who is correct, the LH site or the FRA airport one)? Or, will the BEY flight require additional security checks?

My problem is that I need to be in BEY in the afternoon, and all other possible flights arrive too late. Let's say that I wouldn't justify an overnight in FRA if my chances of making the connection were >90-95%.
If you must be in BEY on a particular day I would go there the day before. Statistics are only statistics. Anything could happen on the day of travel.

Not all LHR flights arrive at a B gate or international arrival B (bus gate). For example, LH4727 and LH4739 arrrive(d) at a C gate today. On the Frankfurt Airport website I believe the letters A, B, C denote the hall in which passengers (and their luggage) arrive rather than the gates though there is some correlation. If you are connecting you won't go to an arrival hall, so this information is not relevant.

A connection (B non-Schengen to B non-Schengen) should be doable with 40-50 mins and I haven't heard of any additional security for BEY departure though I hope someone else will be able to confirm.
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