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Old Sep 11, 2014, 11:07 am
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Current MCT to/from LH at MUC:

Code:
MUC-MUC      FROM          -             TO             D/D  D/I  I/D  I/I
CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM
LH                BUS      -                            0100 0100 0100 0100
LH                         -                  BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
LH                     2   -                       2    0040 0040 0040 0040
LH                BUS  2   -                       2    0100 0100 0100 0100
                  BUS      -LH                          0100 0100 0100 0100
                           -LH                BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
                       2   -LH                     2    0040 0040 0040 0040
                       2   -LH                BUS  2    0100 0100 0100 0100
                       1   -LH                BUS  2    0130 ---- 0130 ----
             SC        2   -LH           AL        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           BG        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           CY        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           EG        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           GB        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           GE        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           IE        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           ME        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           RO        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           RS        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           TN        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH           TR        2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
             SC        2   -LH 0400-0799           2    ---- ---- ---- 0050
LH                BUS      -LH                          0100 0100 0100 0100
LH                         -LH                BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
LH                BUS  2   -LH                     2    0100 0100 0100 0100
LH                     2   -LH                BUS  2    0100 0100 0100 0100
LH           AL        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           BG        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           CY        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           EG        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           GB        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           GE        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           IE        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           ME        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           RO        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           RS        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           TN        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           TR        2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH                BUS  2   -LH           IL        2    ---- 0100 ---- ----
LH                BUS  2   -LH           IN        2    ---- 0100 ---- ----
LH                BUS  2   -LH           US        2    ---- 0100 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           AL        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           BG        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           CY        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           EG        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           GB        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           GE        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           IE        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           ME        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           RO        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           RS        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           TN        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH           SC        2   -LH           TR        2    ---- 0050 ---- ----
LH 0400-0799           2   -LH           SC        2    ---- ---- 0050 0050
LH           SC        2   -LH 0400-0799           2    ---- 0050 ---- 0050     
LH 9439-9439           2  Y-LH                     2    ---- ---- 0045 ----     
LH 9469-9469           2  Y-LH                     2    ---- ---- 0045 ----     
LH                       XQ-LH                          ---- ---- 0130 0130     
                           -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130     
                       2   -LH                     2 A3 ---- ---- ---- 0045     
                       1   -LH                     1 EW 0035 0050 0100 0100     
                       2   -LH                     1 EW 0100 0130 0130 0130     
                       1   -LH                     2 EW 0100 0130 0130 0130     
                       2   -LH                     2 EW 0035 0050 0100 0100     
LH                         -LH                       XQ ---- ---- ---- 0130     
LH                     2   -LH                     2 EW ---- 0040 ---- ----     
LH                     2   -LH                     2 UA ---- ---- ---- 0040     
LH                     2 AC-LH                     2 LG ---- ---- ---- 0200
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Old Sep 19, 2016, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
LH434 MUC-ORD seemed to depart from an L gate in the satellite most days while flights from ATH usually arrive at G gates in the main terminal. 55 mins is tight but you should be fine as long as the flight from ATH is not late.
Thank you for the additional research! I am on Santorini with spotty wifi. Based on this new info, I think we should keep our original routing ATH-PHL-ORD. Longer day, but we need to be back in the U.S. on Wednesday. Really wanted to change to LH,but not worth the risk.
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Old Sep 22, 2016, 7:15 am
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Hello!

Is Japan (Haneda) considered non-clean? As in: if I'm connecting to a Schengen flight (HND-MUC-FRA-ARN in F), will I have to re-clear security at MUC? I'm assuming I can clear passport control in the FCL?
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Old Sep 22, 2016, 7:17 am
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Japan appears to be not clean, see this thread (which might also be merged here).
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Old Sep 22, 2016, 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by nollbit
Hello!

Is Japan (Haneda) considered non-clean? As in: if I'm connecting to a Schengen flight (HND-MUC-FRA-ARN in F), will I have to re-clear security at MUC? I'm assuming I can clear passport control in the FCL?
Originally Posted by malmostoso
Japan is indeed not clean. Arrivals from Japan and other non-clean non-Schengen countries arrive at I or M gates (above H and L gates) and passengers will have to clear transfer security.

I have not arrived at an M gate yet but when arriving in I after transfer security and entering H, there used to be an LH employee looking out for F passengers directing them to the FCL. Yes, passport control withing the FCL to enter Schengen.
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Old Sep 22, 2016, 11:47 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Japan is indeed not clean. Arrivals from Japan and other non-clean non-Schengen countries arrive at I or M gates (above H and L gates) and passengers will have to clear transfer security.

I have not arrived at an M gate yet but when arriving in I after transfer security and entering H, there used to be an LH employee looking out for F passengers directing them to the FCL. Yes, passport control withing the FCL to enter Schengen.
Thank you NewbieRunner! I tried searching, but must've missed the linked thread.
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Old Sep 24, 2016, 9:03 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
There should be no problem unless the incoming flight is more than 50 mins late. You only need to clear passport control and no security.
I'm on a delayed inbound LH459 landing 550p vs 505p. Connecting to LHR on LH2480 at 635p. It appears to be from gates H38 to H48.

For this, we come in "clean" and there's no passport control, correct? Should be fine? Thank you!
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Old Sep 24, 2016, 9:37 am
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Make sure you get off the plane first (if you are at the back of the bus ask the FAs if you can move close to the door) but yes, no security nor passport check, just walk to your gate.
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Old Sep 24, 2016, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by 1K-SFO
I'm on a delayed inbound LH459 landing 550p vs 505p. Connecting to LHR on LH2480 at 635p. It appears to be from gates H38 to H48.

For this, we come in "clean" and there's no passport control, correct? Should be fine? Thank you!
This turned out ridiculously easily.

Landed into H48. Walked the short distance to H38. No security, no passport, no nothing. Had a 25-min wait for boarding and kicking myself for not walking quickly to lounge for a coffee. And bags were off the belt and waiting for me at LHR after using the e-passport readers as a Registered Traveler. Simple stuff.
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Old Sep 27, 2016, 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by ksu
Both service centres are landside. The easiest and cheapest is to go to the lounge (Schengen, main terminal safest) and leave the carryon in one of the lockers there. They are supposedly for people staying in the lounge, so I go into the lounge and have a drink/snack before heading into town. Officially when leaving the lounge I am just doing some shopping in the terminal, but have never been asked. Obviously the carryon cannot be left overnight. The main advantage is less hassle in security when returning from town.
Originally Posted by klausa
When entering from landside, you will always enter to the Schengen area.

You'd go and pick up your bag from there and then go clear the passport control to go to non-schengen area. There is no additional security screening when going between Schengen and non-schengen parts of the airport (assuming you're already sterile.).
Just wanted to say thanks to you both for the walk-thru. It was seemless - dropped the bag in a locker in the main Schengen lounge around 8am, had a coffee and then off to Marianplatz and enjoyed a beautiful day in MUC. Came back about 2pm and moved to the non-Schengen lounge for a nice snack and a couple of German beers. Easy-peasey and a great day.
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Old Oct 13, 2016, 5:00 pm
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JP108 LJU-MUC 19:20-20:20 - 40 minute connection in MUC
LH123 MUC-FRA 21:00-22:00

with checked bags.. seems to be pretty normal from what I've seen here? They are the last flight of the days and will heading back fro the USA from FRA on the following morning. Any thoughts appreciated..
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Old Oct 13, 2016, 10:06 pm
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Originally Posted by frudd38
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JP108 LJU-MUC 19:20-20:20 - 40 minute connection in MUC
LH123 MUC-FRA 21:00-22:00

with checked bags.. seems to be pretty normal from what I've seen here? They are the last flight of the days and will heading back fro the USA from FRA on the following morning. Any thoughts appreciated..
Per se it's doable, but there are high stakes if something goes wrong. I'm assuming your FRA-US is on a separate ticket, so if possible I'd pick an earlier flight, or prepare a plan B of some sort.
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Old Oct 13, 2016, 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by malmostoso
Per se it's doable, but there are high stakes if something goes wrong. I'm assuming your FRA-US is on a separate ticket, so if possible I'd pick an earlier flight, or prepare a plan B of some sort.
Same ticket/award.. but I guess the next morning's MUC-FRA flight would make it but that would cost me the FRA hotel accommodation.
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Old Oct 13, 2016, 11:07 pm
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Originally Posted by frudd38
Same ticket/award.. but I guess the next morning's MUC-FRA flight would make it but that would cost me the FRA hotel accommodation.
If on the same ticket then LH should take care of you and possibly rebook you from MUC to the US. Unfortunately nobody will touch your ticket until something goes wrong, so for the moment just sit tight and hope for the best. If in LJU you see that you are delayed, get on the phone with whomever issued the ticket.
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Old Oct 16, 2016, 3:39 am
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Originally Posted by frudd38
JP108 LJU-MUC 19:20-20:20 - 40 minute connection in MUC
LH123 MUC-FRA 21:00-22:00
This is perfectly fine:
* Flights out of LJU are rarely delayed, being a smallish airport.
* LJU-MUC is about 35min flying time, but usually a remote stand in MUC. You can expect to be inside Terminal 2 1h after departure from LJU.
* The LH flight will be from the same terminal, so no time lost there.

Is there no award space on the nonstop LJU-FRA JP124?
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Old Oct 16, 2016, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
As an arriving F passenger you will have access to the First Class Lounge in MUC. Just make sure to go to the FCL nearest to your departure gate (T2 or T2 Satellite).
Followup to OP's question.

Planning on flying IAD-MUC in LH F. This appears to arrive in T2.

Then planning on flying MUC-DBV (also appears to depart from T2).

Can I access the LH F lounge in T2S? Or is it not possible to access T2S unless departing from T2S?

Thanks!
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