Plans for new Lufthansa longhaul flights from smaller airports
Jun 14, 2007, 6:12 am
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Originally Posted by supermasterphil
meaning that we don"t have to fly on LH, he just wants our money = keeping prices up 
bad for us, good for the share holders 
bad for us, good for the share holders 
Jun 14, 2007, 9:39 am
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LH tried to introduce this concept a little while ago on TXL-IAD and stopped it after a couple weeks. It is not easy to fill longhaul flights on point-to-point connections. Each airline may need connecting pax, which are given easily for any existing hub.
IMHO competition is only successful with discounted prices. Nobody can tell me EK can fill HAM-JFK daily just with Hamburgers.
IMHO competition is only successful with discounted prices. Nobody can tell me EK can fill HAM-JFK daily just with Hamburgers.
Jun 14, 2007, 1:38 pm
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Jun 14, 2007, 7:34 pm
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Yes, but there has been an event called 9/11, which triggered the decision to cut all avoidable loss making business. At this time, the priority was to survive, not to develop new business. Therefore they killed the connection and found some more profitable destinations for their metal in Asia afterwards.
Jun 15, 2007, 1:45 am
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Yes, but there has been an event called 9/11, which triggered the decision to cut all avoidable loss making business. At this time, the priority was to survive, not to develop new business. Therefore they killed the connection and found some more profitable destinations for their metal in Asia afterwards.
Jun 15, 2007, 1:51 am
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http://www.netzeitung.de/feuilleton/160577.html
So, TXL-IAD was flown from 25 March 2001 and cancelled on 17 September 2001. However, the article also mentions that the route was not profitable before 11/9/01.
SmilingBoy.
Jun 15, 2007, 2:05 am
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They could cancel the PrivatAir DUS-EWR and make it a CGN-LGA...
Just jokin', but at least CGN-ZRH would be nice and improve my opportunities a lot. And as fradoc said, it's a pretty important area for many companies.
Just jokin', but at least CGN-ZRH would be nice and improve my opportunities a lot. And as fradoc said, it's a pretty important area for many companies.
Jun 15, 2007, 2:06 am
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Not quite. Read here:
http://www.netzeitung.de/feuilleton/160577.html
So, TXL-IAD was flown from 25 March 2001 and cancelled on 17 September 2001. However, the article also mentions that the route was not profitable before 11/9/01.
SmilingBoy.
http://www.netzeitung.de/feuilleton/160577.html
So, TXL-IAD was flown from 25 March 2001 and cancelled on 17 September 2001. However, the article also mentions that the route was not profitable before 11/9/01.
SmilingBoy.
Jun 15, 2007, 3:16 am
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Jun 15, 2007, 3:44 am
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Maybe there are some Berliner (German doughnut) or Frankfurter on board Sorry only in German (from emirates.de):Der Name Emirates steht für erstklassigen Service und Entspannung. Und die beginnt nicht erst an Bord, sondern schon auf den Wegen dorthin. Genießen Sie alle Annehmlichkeiten, die eine 1. Klasse Bahnreise mit sich bringt.
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Jun 15, 2007, 4:12 am
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I would not call a single nonhub intercont. flight a new strategy.
Washington-Dulles from Berlin was introduced after year-long begging from certain political circles in Berlin ( not without a reason named Joschka-Shuttle )
The flight was expected to lose money for quite some time, because of poor premium class bookings ( Government discounts are steep, UA Codesharing to make it eligible for US Government employees was not yet on the agenda... ) , but on the other hand one should not underestimate the payback from the Government`s side of the table...
IIRC, there is a small airline from the U.A.E wanting more access to Germany since years, which is getting rejected from the German Government since quite some time...
Washington-Dulles from Berlin was introduced after year-long begging from certain political circles in Berlin ( not without a reason named Joschka-Shuttle )
The flight was expected to lose money for quite some time, because of poor premium class bookings ( Government discounts are steep, UA Codesharing to make it eligible for US Government employees was not yet on the agenda... ) , but on the other hand one should not underestimate the payback from the Government`s side of the table...
IIRC, there is a small airline from the U.A.E wanting more access to Germany since years, which is getting rejected from the German Government since quite some time...
Jun 15, 2007, 4:51 am
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Jun 15, 2007, 5:59 am
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Jun 15, 2007, 7:26 am
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In a local newspaper here in STR a regional LH manager ruled out any longhaul flights ex STR within the next 4-5 years. And even then only flights to NYC would make some sense to him. He explicitly ruled out any flights to DXB.
STR's airport manager was quoted as having made an agreement with EK to start STR-DXB but this is still blocked by government citing traffic rights issues (as RWTH mentioned already).
In other news LH will be adding flights from STR to NCE, MRS, PRG and PMI this summer.
STR's airport manager was quoted as having made an agreement with EK to start STR-DXB but this is still blocked by government citing traffic rights issues (as RWTH mentioned already).
In other news LH will be adding flights from STR to NCE, MRS, PRG and PMI this summer.
Jun 15, 2007, 9:36 am
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