Plans for new Lufthansa longhaul flights from smaller airports
Jun 15, 2007, 12:04 pm
#31
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Jun 15, 2007, 1:19 pm
#33
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Jun 15, 2007, 1:28 pm
#34
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I am all in favour of Paulaner Hefeweizen 
I think LH's announcement is still only a decoy to prevent BA from stationing 767's in Germany for USA flights. LH now has 3 major hubs in FRA,MUC and ZRH and now going point to point longhaul does not make sense to me ??
I think LH's announcement is still only a decoy to prevent BA from stationing 767's in Germany for USA flights. LH now has 3 major hubs in FRA,MUC and ZRH and now going point to point longhaul does not make sense to me ??
Jun 15, 2007, 9:26 pm
#35
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Okay, then I kept wrong information in mind. A friend has been a first officer on the A340 (now a captain on A320 family) and he was on that route a few times. He told me once, they stopped that route short after introduction because it was not profitable. I could swear, it was far before 09/11. But looks like my brain is getting older and older... 
Jun 17, 2007, 4:03 am
#36
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Regarding hubs and multiple point-to-points: I agree, this announcement might be nothing but an announcement. Currently LH can roughly fill 15 longhaul flights in MUC. MUC is already a hub and has capacity for many many more longhaul flights with all infratructure available. It just makes no sense to me to offer for example single HAM-JFK or TXL-IAD flights (with all its disadvantages), when they could even do it more easily with additional flights out of MUC.
Jun 17, 2007, 7:21 pm
#37
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Hefeweizen is the missing piece on board, indeed. There can't be a perfect F service without Hefeweizen (my favourite is Kloster Andechs Hefeweizen btw). So, which airlines offer Hefeweizen to complete the F service???
Regarding hubs and multiple point-to-points: I agree, this announcement might be nothing but an announcement. Currently LH can roughly fill 15 longhaul flights in MUC. MUC is already a hub and has capacity for many many more longhaul flights with all infratructure available. It just makes no sense to me to offer for example single HAM-JFK or TXL-IAD flights (with all its disadvantages), when they could even do it more easily with additional flights out of MUC.
Regarding hubs and multiple point-to-points: I agree, this announcement might be nothing but an announcement. Currently LH can roughly fill 15 longhaul flights in MUC. MUC is already a hub and has capacity for many many more longhaul flights with all infratructure available. It just makes no sense to me to offer for example single HAM-JFK or TXL-IAD flights (with all its disadvantages), when they could even do it more easily with additional flights out of MUC.
Jun 18, 2007, 5:56 am
#38
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cheers, S
Jun 18, 2007, 6:02 am
#39
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At the end of the day it is not important for how many people one of the two options is "better", but which is the more profitable strategy given the future development of the market.... Obviously a very complex question with many moving parts. No clue what the answer is....
cheers, S
cheers, S
Jun 18, 2007, 6:33 am
#41
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Among others it also depends on
- The price these people are willing to pay for the different alternatives
- What these people do if the "better" alternative is not available. I.e. if a 5 P.M. departure or a direct flight is not avaiable, do they still fly LH or do they choose the competition.
- Impact on other flights on the same and alternative routes.
Jun 18, 2007, 6:42 am
#42
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Not true!
Among others it also depends on
Among others it also depends on
- The price these people are willing to pay for the different alternatives
- What these people do if the "better" alternative is not available. I.e. if a 5 P.M. departure is not avaiable, do they still fly LH or do they choose the competition.
- Impact on other flights on the same and alternative routes.
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Jun 18, 2007, 8:07 pm
#43
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We already had a similar discussion in the "new F" thread. Obsessing with a single feature (like "seat" or "nonstop flight") in order to define "better" is indeed misleading. However, it's also quite revealing, because a poster who is arguing that way has mostly a quite personal agenda.
Jun 19, 2007, 4:59 am
#44
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We already had a similar discussion in the "new F" thread. Obsessing with a single feature (like "seat" or "nonstop flight") in order to define "better" is indeed misleading. However, it's also quite revealing, because a poster who is arguing that way has mostly a quite personal agenda.
Cheers, S
Jun 19, 2007, 5:22 am
#45
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My angenda is to push for nonstop flights from SIN to HAM, operated by Lufthansa, with new F seats that are more comfortable than anything on the market today but still always aavailable for award flights, unlimited supply of water bottles and a new FCT in HAM and SIN......
Cheers, S
Cheers, S
