An $8000 "entry fee" for LH Gold lounge
Apr 18, 2007, 8:27 am
#121
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: A Sight For Roll Eyes
Programs: :enrolleyes:+, :drôleyes:
Posts: 5,461
Apr 18, 2007, 8:29 am
#122
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 381
This just confirms to me why I went into business and did not bother to study law. At least there a balance sheet tells you the truth and never leaves room for any interpretation.......
The question within FT should not really be whether something is legal according to German, Norwegian or any other law but whether we as a communicty feel that this is acceptable.
The question within FT should not really be whether something is legal according to German, Norwegian or any other law but whether we as a communicty feel that this is acceptable.
Excactly right. The sadness is that a german university professor is actually thinking about giving this to the student. This is what should be discussed in another forum and probably not even on flyertalk.
If LH thinks they are loosing too much money by this method, they will find ways of avoiding the problem. If they are in contrast happy with it, fine as well.
I can only say that on an eco flex ticket for almost 900e from dus to cph I was denied access to the sas lounge on the way back (in cph), even with a FT status. The lounge warden said I would need senator status to get access with an eco flex ticket.
And this is clearly ridiculous and I personally think that I have every right to use the trick of kevinsac to gain access, because Lufthansa and SAS are tricking me.
I think it would be better if Flying Lawyer spends the time he is using here with his students an not limit the times he is approachable to Monday 2-4pm (just gessing, as this is the case in german universities)
Apr 18, 2007, 8:33 am
#123
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,729
I can only say that on an eco flex ticket for almost 900e from dus to cph I was denied access to the sas lounge on the way back (in cph), even with a FT status. The lounge warden said I would need senator status to get access with an eco flex ticket.
And this is clearly ridiculous and I personally think that I have every right to use the trick of kevinsac to gain access, because Lufthansa and SAS are tricking me.
Apr 18, 2007, 8:41 am
#124
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Home airports:SRQ,TPA,RSW
Programs: AA 0.4MM, BA G, LH SEN,TK S, HH Dia, Sixt Plat, Hertz Gold, Marriott Silver
Posts: 2,689
Apr 18, 2007, 8:41 am
#125
Join Date: May 2002
Location: MHG/DTM
Posts: 336
>>>I´ve never seen lawyers fighting so intensively for no money
Sometimes we are just idealists, debating for the sake of a legally interesting argument.
On a side note, I find it actually shocking how many German lawyers and attorneys populate this forum.
Sometimes we are just idealists, debating for the sake of a legally interesting argument.
On a side note, I find it actually shocking how many German lawyers and attorneys populate this forum.
Apr 18, 2007, 9:16 am
#126
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: unique
Programs: half orphan (ie. STC before, but not really happy with M&M)
Posts: 110
And a swiss attorney would simply ask where the so called "Arglist" is ...
Apr 18, 2007, 11:32 am
#127
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: ZRH
Programs: LX HON Circle
Posts: 3,255
culpa in contrahendo?
Not true at all...Before any analysis on the financial statement of a company you have to adjust the values in order to understand their meanings.
Just think about US GAP, IAS, IFRS...
And I am not talking about "window dressing here" which is another way to pimp your balance sheets.
IMO, if the OP wouldn't have clearly showed his true intentions to the LH ticket sales agent I would call it a case of culpa in contrahendo no?
Apr 18, 2007, 11:51 am
#128
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SZG, Austria
Programs: LH(OS) HON, IC RA
Posts: 33,194
What a great thread. Started on the 16th April and now we have 126 replies.
Apr 18, 2007, 12:28 pm
#129
Join Date: May 2006
Location: FRA
Programs: LH, BA, DL
Posts: 625
If I was a lawyer ...
... I would not broadcast that fact here on FT. And when voicing a view, I would paint it as MY view and not assert it as the gospel - much more grey out there than black and white, including in the area of how to establish facts.
Having said that, thanks to FL and A28 for "shaping" this thread and, while sailing very close to the wind indeed, keeping it civil ... ^ ^ ^
Having said that, thanks to FL and A28 for "shaping" this thread and, while sailing very close to the wind indeed, keeping it civil ... ^ ^ ^
Apr 18, 2007, 2:14 pm
#130
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF Lifetime SG, LH HON, OZ Lifetime Diamond +, HH Diamond, Marriott Lifetime Platinum
Posts: 14,375
Not true at all...Before any analysis on the financial statement of a company you have to adjust the values in order to understand their meanings.
Just think about US GAP, IAS, IFRS...
And I am not talking about "window dressing here" which is another way to pimp your balance sheets.
Of course I know that a P&L can tell you anything (and maybe it has something to do with reality but most probably not). I just wanted to highlight the course of the dicsussion in this thread.
Apr 18, 2007, 5:54 pm
#131
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: SYD
Posts: 3,043
The Aussie law student couldn't help but perform a comparative analysis between Australian criminal law and the German version...
Mmmm...brings back memories of 2nd year.
Eek... I'm still in class...
Mmmm...brings back memories of 2nd year.
Eek... I'm still in class...
Apr 19, 2007, 7:03 am
#132
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Capetown
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Plat, IHG and Hilton Diamond, LH SEN, BA Gold
Posts: 10,170
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/114)
Excactly right. The sadness is that a german university professor is actually thinking about giving this to the student. This is what should be discussed in another forum and probably not even on flyertalk.
If LH thinks they are loosing too much money by this method, they will find ways of avoiding the problem. If they are in contrast happy with it, fine as well.
I can only say that on an eco flex ticket for almost 900e from dus to cph I was denied access to the sas lounge on the way back (in cph), even with a FT status. The lounge warden said I would need senator status to get access with an eco flex ticket.
And this is clearly ridiculous and I personally think that I have every right to use the trick of kevinsac to gain access, because Lufthansa and SAS are tricking me.
I think it would be better if Flying Lawyer spends the time he is using here with his students an not limit the times he is approachable to Monday 2-4pm (just gessing, as this is the case in german universities)
Heaven's sake. I am not a university professor but still a lawyer. I only spend plenty of my time with students holding classes and in the exams.
And somebody said it very correct: Sometimes it is good fun and very interesting to discuss for the sake of discussion and get different views. I enjoyed that thread and I will not complain about certain personal attacs.;-)
Originally Posted by sixtisbest
This just confirms to me why I went into business and did not bother to study law. At least there a balance sheet tells you the truth and never leaves room for any interpretation.......
The question within FT should not really be whether something is legal according to German, Norwegian or any other law but whether we as a communicty feel that this is acceptable.
The question within FT should not really be whether something is legal according to German, Norwegian or any other law but whether we as a communicty feel that this is acceptable.
Excactly right. The sadness is that a german university professor is actually thinking about giving this to the student. This is what should be discussed in another forum and probably not even on flyertalk.
If LH thinks they are loosing too much money by this method, they will find ways of avoiding the problem. If they are in contrast happy with it, fine as well.
I can only say that on an eco flex ticket for almost 900e from dus to cph I was denied access to the sas lounge on the way back (in cph), even with a FT status. The lounge warden said I would need senator status to get access with an eco flex ticket.
And this is clearly ridiculous and I personally think that I have every right to use the trick of kevinsac to gain access, because Lufthansa and SAS are tricking me.
I think it would be better if Flying Lawyer spends the time he is using here with his students an not limit the times he is approachable to Monday 2-4pm (just gessing, as this is the case in german universities)
And somebody said it very correct: Sometimes it is good fun and very interesting to discuss for the sake of discussion and get different views. I enjoyed that thread and I will not complain about certain personal attacs.;-)
May 10, 2008, 1:38 pm
#133
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 230
Not to beat a dead horse...
I was in the FRA FCT last week and overheard some of the PA's discussing a passenger flying LH business who bought a seperate ticket just to access the FCT and then refund it. Although I was having some difficulty understanding them it seemed they were saying this was not all that uncommon.
I was surpised that LH would not be able to find out that people were holding 2 seperate tickets for same day travel and simply cancel the other reservation to teach a lesson!
I have to say, it sure seemed a nicer way to spend a few hours than in the Business lounges.
I was surpised that LH would not be able to find out that people were holding 2 seperate tickets for same day travel and simply cancel the other reservation to teach a lesson!
I have to say, it sure seemed a nicer way to spend a few hours than in the Business lounges.
May 10, 2008, 1:57 pm
#134
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Point Place, Wisconsin
Programs: LH HON, BA Gold, EK Gold
Posts: 14,505
I was in the FRA FCT last week and overheard some of the PA's discussing a passenger flying LH business who bought a seperate ticket just to access the FCT and then refund it. Although I was having some difficulty understanding them it seemed they were saying this was not all that uncommon.
I was surpised that LH would not be able to find out that people were holding 2 seperate tickets for same day travel and simply cancel the other reservation to teach a lesson!
I have to say, it sure seemed a nicer way to spend a few hours than in the Business lounges.
I was surpised that LH would not be able to find out that people were holding 2 seperate tickets for same day travel and simply cancel the other reservation to teach a lesson!
I have to say, it sure seemed a nicer way to spend a few hours than in the Business lounges.
BTW Flying Lawer: When are your next student seesions ? I would love to join ! (As long as I don't get charged your companies usual hourly rates - the last bill I got crosscharged with nearly sent me into cardiac arrest )
May 10, 2008, 2:14 pm
#135
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SZG, Austria
Programs: LH(OS) HON, IC RA
Posts: 33,194
Sounds strange to me ? As far as I recall double bookings for the same flight are not permitted. I am sure LH could (and actually SHOULD) kick such people out of the FCT.
BTW Flying Lawer: When are your next student seesions ? I would love to join ! (As long as I don't get charged your companies usual hourly rates - the last bill I got crosscharged with nearly sent me into cardiac arrest )
BTW Flying Lawer: When are your next student seesions ? I would love to join ! (As long as I don't get charged your companies usual hourly rates - the last bill I got crosscharged with nearly sent me into cardiac arrest )