[NEWBIE LOUNGE] Ask Your Lufthansa Group Questions Here [2016-]
Mar 24, 2019, 10:46 am
#2431
Join Date: Jul 2013
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If any of those programs can transfer to UA, just go on the United website and search for award seats on the route. You'll immediately see how much in taxes you'll be charged. Then you can decide whether it's worth to transfer the points and book.
Mar 24, 2019, 1:38 pm
#2433
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: AMS/RTM
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When booking award tickets flexibility is key, so moving dates a day earlier or later might do wonders.
Mar 24, 2019, 3:09 pm
#2434
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 5
Hi malmostoso: Thank you. It's just me traveling, I usually fly economy. While I have a bit of flexibility, I would go for a family gathering that particular weekend, so I am somewhat limited (and United had a number of days blocked). I heard that LH has high fuel surcharges, any general idea on how high they are?
Mar 25, 2019, 3:05 am
#2436
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Starting July 15 all but the two southern states in Germany have summer vacations, so it is very unlikely that award inventory will open up on the direct flight to PHL.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:44 am
#2439
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I have the LH ticket number (220) and LH locator and passenger's last name... when I go plug it into the "view/modify flight" tool (whatever it's actually called) with locator and last name, it just goes back to the german version of the same page.
Can someone tell me how to actually view the LH ticket details and fare details? It's a TATL L fare.
Or aside from seeing the ticket details myself, can someone advise on the change fees (if any - maybe it is so restrictive that no changes are allowed?) for a TATL L fare?
TIA - yyznomad
Can someone tell me how to actually view the LH ticket details and fare details? It's a TATL L fare.
Or aside from seeing the ticket details myself, can someone advise on the change fees (if any - maybe it is so restrictive that no changes are allowed?) for a TATL L fare?
TIA - yyznomad
Mar 27, 2019, 10:03 am
#2440
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No chance to see it on LH.com in full detail. The view booking works better if you are in private mode.
On saudia.com you can look up the eticket using the 'manage bookings' tab and entering the 220 number and last name. There you will see the fare used to issue the ticket. Post it here and I'll look up the fare rules.
Easiest is of course to call Lufthansa and just ask
On saudia.com you can look up the eticket using the 'manage bookings' tab and entering the 220 number and last name. There you will see the fare used to issue the ticket. Post it here and I'll look up the fare rules.
Easiest is of course to call Lufthansa and just ask
Mar 27, 2019, 10:09 am
#2441
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No chance to see it on LH.com in full detail. The view booking works better if you are in private mode.
On saudia.com you can look up the eticket using the 'manage bookings' tab and entering the 220 number and last name. There you will see the fare used to issue the ticket. Post it here and I'll look up the fare rules.
Easiest is of course to call Lufthansa and just ask
On saudia.com you can look up the eticket using the 'manage bookings' tab and entering the 220 number and last name. There you will see the fare used to issue the ticket. Post it here and I'll look up the fare rules.
Easiest is of course to call Lufthansa and just ask
LLW46RCS
(easiest for me is FT
)
Mar 27, 2019, 10:17 am
#2443
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I found a similarly named fare on YVRFRA. Looks like 300 CA$ to change or cancel.
Code:
27MAR19**27MAR19/LH YVRFRA/NSP;AT/TPM 5011/MPM 6013
*** STAR ALLIANCE EUROPEAN AIRPASS * SEE FQD QMXQMY/R,U ***
*** FOR STAR ALLIANCE RTW * SEE FQD XYZXYZ EG FRAFRA ***
LN FARE BASIS OW CAD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01+LLW46RCT 610 L + S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R
S09JAN 16APR
02+LLX46RCT 510 L + S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R
S09JAN 16APR
03+LLW46LGT 500 L NRF S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R
S09JAN 16APR
04+LLX46LGT 400 L NRF S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R
S09JAN 16APR
> PAGE 2/ 2
>fqn2*pe
FQN2*PE
** RULES DISPLAY ** VERIFY TAXES
OTHER TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27MAR19**27MAR19/LH YVRFRA/NSP;AT/TPM 5011/MPM 6013
LN FARE BASIS OW CAD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
02+LLX46RCT 510 L + S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R
S09JAN 16APR
FCL: LLX46RCT TRF: 101 RULE: E700 BK: L
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF
FARE FAMILY : STANDARD
PE.PENALTIES
CANCELLATIONS
ANY TIME
CHARGE CAD 300.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
NOTE -
WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE
REFUND PERMITTED BEFORE DEPARTURE IN CASE OF
PAGE 1/ 8
>m
REJECTION OF VISA. EMBASSY STATEMENT REQUIRED.
---------------------
REFUND RULES APPLY PER PRICING UNIT.
---------------------
WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
REFUNDABLE FARES
1. THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CANCELLATION CONDITION
APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE PRICING UNIT.
2. THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION PENALTY WITHIN THE
PRICING UNIT WILL BE CHARGED.
---------------------
REFUND FOR PARTLY USED TICKETS-
IF A RETURN TICKET SHALL BE USED FOR ONE WAY
TRAVEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RETURN FARE AND
THE APPLICABLE ONE WAY FARE WILL BE CALCULATED.
ANY CREDIT WILL BE REFUNDED LESS ANY APPLICABLE
CANCELLATION PENALTY.
---------------------
CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY.
INFANT WITHOUT SEAT FREE OF CHARGE.
---------------------
PAGE 2/ 8
>m
REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES PAID TO THIRD PARTIES
PERMITTED.
EXCEPT FOR TAXES THAT ARE LEGALLY NON-REFUNDABLE.
PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES APPLICABLE
TO US AIRPORTS WITH TAX CODES- US/ZP/XF ARE
REFUNDABLE
WHEN THE FARE IS REFUNDABLE AND NON-REFUNDABLE
WHEN THE FARE IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
GERMAN AVIATION SECURITY CHARGE IS POTENTIALLY
REFUNDABLE FOR TRANSFER
PASSENGERS ARRIVING FROM US/ CA OR ME HAVING
TRANSFER IN FRA TERMINAL 1 WITH NO ADDITIONAL
SECURITY CHECK BY FEDERAL POLICE IN FRA.
REFUND OF UNUSED YQ PERMITTED.
REFUND OF UNUSED YR NOT PERMITTED.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES LH/LX/OS/SN DCC - DISTRIBUTION
COST CHARGE - SHOWN AS YR ON THE TICKET.
---------------------
FOR TOTALLY UNUSED TICKET- REFUND OF UNUSED YQ
PERMITTED.
FOR PARTIALLY USED TICKET- SHOULD THE APPLICABLE
PAGE 3/ 8
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FARE FOR THE ROUTING TRAVELLED BE HIGHER THAN THE
FARE ORIGINALLY PAID- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
APPLICABLE FARE AND THE FARE ORIGINALLY PAID
SHALL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE YQ AMOUNT.
THE YQ IS USED TO COVER POSSIBLE RESIDUAL AMOUNTS
RESULTING FROM CANCELLATION PENALTIES HIGHER THAN
THE FARE AMOUNT.
ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CANCELLATION PENALTY AND
THE FARE ORIGINALLY PAID SHALL BE DEDUCTED FROM
THE YQ AMOUNT ONLY THE YQ RESIDUAL AMOUNT CAN BE
THEN REFUNDED.
--------------------
THE OPTIONAL PAYMENT CHARGE IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
---------------------
REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
---------------------
ANY ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE
AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET REMAINS
NON REFUNDABLE AND WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD TO ANY
REISSUED/EXCHANGED TICKET.
PAGE 4/ 8
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CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHARGE CAD 300.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF FAMILY MEMBER.
NOTE -
REISSUE/REVALIDATION/EXCHANGE PERMITTED.
-------
REROUTING PERMITTED.
-------
WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE.
-------
RULES FOR CHANGES APPLY BY FARE
COMPONENT/DIRECTION. IN CASE OF FARE COMBINATION
CHARGE THE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
COMPONENTS.
-------
REISSUE/REVALIDATION/EXCHANGE NOT PERMITTED
TO -LGT TYPE FARE.
-------
CHANGE FEE APPLIES FOR EVERY SINGLE CLOSED
PAGE 5/ 8
Mar 27, 2019, 10:17 am
#2444
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Oh sorry...
Nov 22
YYZ FRA LH471
FRA AMM LH692
Dec 8
DXB FRA "AC 9081" aka LH631
FRA YYZ AC873
I'd like to know any applicable change fees.
Also how much it costs for seat selection and two pieces of checked luggage per passenger.
If I could just get a full-blown copy and paste of the fare rules (the lovely all caps kind) that would be even better.
Nov 22
YYZ FRA LH471
FRA AMM LH692
Dec 8
DXB FRA "AC 9081" aka LH631
FRA YYZ AC873
I'd like to know any applicable change fees.
Also how much it costs for seat selection and two pieces of checked luggage per passenger.
If I could just get a full-blown copy and paste of the fare rules (the lovely all caps kind) that would be even better.
Mar 27, 2019, 11:03 am
#2445
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I found a similarly named fare on YVRFRA. Looks like 300 CA$ to change or cancel.
Code:
27MAR19**27MAR19/LH YVRFRA/NSP;AT/TPM 5011/MPM 6013 *** STAR ALLIANCE EUROPEAN AIRPASS * SEE FQD QMXQMY/R,U *** *** FOR STAR ALLIANCE RTW * SEE FQD XYZXYZ EG FRAFRA *** LN FARE BASIS OW CAD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R 01+LLW46RCT 610 L + S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R S09JAN 16APR 02+LLX46RCT 510 L + S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R S09JAN 16APR 03+LLW46LGT 500 L NRF S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R S09JAN 16APR 04+LLX46LGT 400 L NRF S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R S09JAN 16APR > PAGE 2/ 2 >fqn2*pe FQN2*PE ** RULES DISPLAY ** VERIFY TAXES OTHER TAX MAY APPLY SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE 27MAR19**27MAR19/LH YVRFRA/NSP;AT/TPM 5011/MPM 6013 LN FARE BASIS OW CAD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R 02+LLX46RCT 510 L + S08JAN 06MAY+14+ + 12M R S09JAN 16APR FCL: LLX46RCT TRF: 101 RULE: E700 BK: L PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPN-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREF FARE FAMILY : STANDARD PE.PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME CHARGE CAD 300.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE REFUND PERMITTED BEFORE DEPARTURE IN CASE OF PAGE 1/ 8 >m REJECTION OF VISA. EMBASSY STATEMENT REQUIRED. --------------------- REFUND RULES APPLY PER PRICING UNIT. --------------------- WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH REFUNDABLE FARES 1. THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CANCELLATION CONDITION APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE PRICING UNIT. 2. THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION PENALTY WITHIN THE PRICING UNIT WILL BE CHARGED. --------------------- REFUND FOR PARTLY USED TICKETS- IF A RETURN TICKET SHALL BE USED FOR ONE WAY TRAVEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RETURN FARE AND THE APPLICABLE ONE WAY FARE WILL BE CALCULATED. ANY CREDIT WILL BE REFUNDED LESS ANY APPLICABLE CANCELLATION PENALTY. --------------------- CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY. INFANT WITHOUT SEAT FREE OF CHARGE. --------------------- PAGE 2/ 8 >m REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES PAID TO THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. EXCEPT FOR TAXES THAT ARE LEGALLY NON-REFUNDABLE. PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES APPLICABLE TO US AIRPORTS WITH TAX CODES- US/ZP/XF ARE REFUNDABLE WHEN THE FARE IS REFUNDABLE AND NON-REFUNDABLE WHEN THE FARE IS NON-REFUNDABLE. GERMAN AVIATION SECURITY CHARGE IS POTENTIALLY REFUNDABLE FOR TRANSFER PASSENGERS ARRIVING FROM US/ CA OR ME HAVING TRANSFER IN FRA TERMINAL 1 WITH NO ADDITIONAL SECURITY CHECK BY FEDERAL POLICE IN FRA. REFUND OF UNUSED YQ PERMITTED. REFUND OF UNUSED YR NOT PERMITTED. THIS ALSO INCLUDES LH/LX/OS/SN DCC - DISTRIBUTION COST CHARGE - SHOWN AS YR ON THE TICKET. --------------------- FOR TOTALLY UNUSED TICKET- REFUND OF UNUSED YQ PERMITTED. FOR PARTIALLY USED TICKET- SHOULD THE APPLICABLE PAGE 3/ 8 >m FARE FOR THE ROUTING TRAVELLED BE HIGHER THAN THE FARE ORIGINALLY PAID- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE APPLICABLE FARE AND THE FARE ORIGINALLY PAID SHALL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE YQ AMOUNT. THE YQ IS USED TO COVER POSSIBLE RESIDUAL AMOUNTS RESULTING FROM CANCELLATION PENALTIES HIGHER THAN THE FARE AMOUNT. ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CANCELLATION PENALTY AND THE FARE ORIGINALLY PAID SHALL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE YQ AMOUNT ONLY THE YQ RESIDUAL AMOUNT CAN BE THEN REFUNDED. -------------------- THE OPTIONAL PAYMENT CHARGE IS NON-REFUNDABLE. --------------------- REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY --------------------- ANY ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET REMAINS NON REFUNDABLE AND WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD TO ANY REISSUED/EXCHANGED TICKET. PAGE 4/ 8 >m CHANGES ANY TIME CHARGE CAD 300.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - REISSUE/REVALIDATION/EXCHANGE PERMITTED. ------- REROUTING PERMITTED. ------- WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE. ------- RULES FOR CHANGES APPLY BY FARE COMPONENT/DIRECTION. IN CASE OF FARE COMBINATION CHARGE THE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS. ------- REISSUE/REVALIDATION/EXCHANGE NOT PERMITTED TO -LGT TYPE FARE. ------- CHANGE FEE APPLIES FOR EVERY SINGLE CLOSED PAGE 5/ 8
Do you think it's identical rules to the additional details I provided regarding the route (I responded just after you posted this)?